nevermind on the 30-50 hp suzuki 2 strokes, Suzuki quit making them and only make 4 strokes in that range-thanks anyway–good fishin
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October 8, 2001 at 8:03 pm #234144
On the smaller motors I would not buy a 4 stroke they have no power, but a 2 stroke will go, they burn a little more gas but are well worth it.I have had 60hp. motors and they move and I have had a 4 stroke 60hp.and sold it the next week.This of course is my point of view. Good luck
October 10, 2001 at 2:29 am #234171thanks for the reply phillip. around here i get no straight answeres from dealers, and i am kind of a marine greenhorn. Now i was almost convinced i had to have a 4 sroke motor for my new 17 crestliner VJon, now i have doubts. I like to troll, i thought a 2 stoke would foul up the plugs in short order. What ever motor i get will be the primary motor, and i expect to be able to troll with it. Id like to save that 2k(2 stroke intstead of 4 stroke) and apply it to the next deep V i a couple years.
what is true here? thanksOctober 10, 2001 at 2:57 am #234172Well….I can speak from experience on a Suzi 4 stroke 70 hp……….just FABULOUS!!!! I had it on a Lund Mr Pike and it was just a sweet motor. I hated that boat so no longer have it nor the motor but as for trolling??? Nothing better in my opinion! And it was fuel injujected so no choke to fumble with. I never felt the power was off at all compared to my buddy’s 2 stroke…….and I had a 70 Evinrude 2 stroker before that myself. I’d spend the bucks and get the 4 stroke…….just my $.02
October 10, 2001 at 5:56 am #234174Good heavens, if your looking for a main power engine on a 17′ C-liner….. go 4 stroke all the way. Lack of power? Hardly! Hougie’s got a 115 HP Yammie on his 1750 C-liner and that thing smokes. Hole shot is great. Top end is great. It trolls wonderfully. I can’t think of a single point against the 4 strokes. Even the small ones. I get to drive a bunch of boats and ride in a bunch of rigs… and I’ve not been in a rig with a newer 4 stroke, of any size, that didn’t impress the heck out of me.
And prices are coming more into line with 2 stroke power so that reason is going out the window as well.
Drive one of each and tell us what YOU think!
James Holst
Moving Waters Guide Service
http://www.movingwaters.netjonnPosts: 81October 10, 2001 at 2:22 pm #234177I have owned a number of different rigs and I agree with James. The differences in price are shrinking every year and I have noticed no change in hole shot or top end speed. The one thing I have noticed is as a motor, 2 cycle, gets older it has the tendency to exhaust gas (smoke) and perform poorly at idle. My four stroke is 3 years old and it performs like new. I’ll never buy another 2 cycle! JonN
AnonymousGuestPosts:October 10, 2001 at 2:43 pm #234179I tell you what, if you want to troll with your main motor, you wont have any problems doing that with a 115 yamaha 4 stroke. In most trolling situations, this motor does better than ok. Does not load up after trolling all day either. I recently had my kicker in the shop and was trolling alot with the main motor and as James mentioned it definately is a sweetie when it comes to going slow for such a big motor. I like it best when coming in to a dock because they darn near stop on a dime! Now if I have to crawl down to super slow speeds, there is NO substitue for the yamaha 4 stroke T-8 kicker motor. But you dont always troll that slow and you can use the bow mount motor if needed. And on my 1750 Fish Hawk, I reach top end at 6100 rpms and 48 mph by GPS. With a stainless prop of course.
Steve Hougom – FTR Webstaff
quicksilverPosts: 80October 13, 2001 at 1:21 am #234214I bought a 4 stroke Suzuki 115HP this summer. Sweet! It starts like a Chevy truck and hauls a boat like one too. It trolls great. You can have a conversation with your buddy while you’re hauling butt accross the lake too. Its easy on fuel too.
October 13, 2001 at 11:17 am #234218Hi Well look at this, I give a little advice and all the dogs come off the porch. As Ithink about it that 60hp. Ihad was about 6 or 7 years ago, and the motor was a year or two old. I sure they have more power now, but they are talking about 70 to115 hp., a world of differance from a 50, but I think they are right. I get a magazine called Bass & Walleye Boats, these are the real pros, they test all size motors head to head, and give reports on all of them. I think you can call and order back issues on the size motors you are lookingat. There phone is 310-537-6322 ext.128 Maybe this will get the dogs back up on the porch. Ha Ha.
October 14, 2001 at 5:21 am #234225Woof. :’)
A guy can also go to some of the motor manufacturer websites and get detailed performance numbers on a number of boats equipped with various motors in their product line. Yamaha’s website has a great deal of this type of info to help a guy get an idea of how a particular motor will perform on a particular boat.
James Holst
Moving Waters Guide Service
http://www.movingwaters.netOctober 14, 2001 at 12:39 pm #234226I have surfed for direct comparison data between two and four strokes a few times and never found what I was looking for. What I would like to see is dyno charts of multiple engines of the same HP rating, but all I can ever find is generalizations like, “The two stroke has more ‘kick’ when accellerating.” “Our tests showed that the four stroke could not match the mid-range torque of the two stroke, but yadda yadda.”
One interesting thing that I did find was that environmental friendliness is heavily dependent on the rating system used, and some criteria are better met by two-strokes. It will be interesting to see if this is the whole butter-vs-margarine debate played out with boat motors.
October 15, 2001 at 5:18 pm #234233When James, Hougie and I worked the Sport Show this sprind I remember seeing a printout of a 1750 Sportfish with the 115 Yamaha. Was it Yamaha or Crestliner that put that data out, do either of you remember? It was pretty detailed. It had holeshot data, and time to top end, etc. Pretty cool, and if I remember right, the numbers were pretty impressive as well…
TuckOctober 15, 2001 at 5:27 pm #234234Trust me, I’d be the last guy to tolerate a doggy or ill-performing motor given the hundreds of days I’m o nthe water each year but my top concern is how a motor runs once I come off plane. How much time does the average angler actually spend running around anyway? I know I don’t spend much time shooting from spot to spot. I wan’t a motor that runs smooth and quiet. One that trolls EXCEPTIONALLY well and one that doesn’t smoke like a old tire thrown on a hot fire. After all, I am trying to catch fish, not win races. Under those perfomance considerations, a 4 stroke just can’t be touched by a two stroke.
Not that the newer 4 strokes give anything away to the 2 strokes. Hougie’s 1750 pushed by a 115 4 stroke is CONSIDERABLY faster, quicker, and smoother than Dustin’s (sorry man, no offense meant) exact same 1750 pushed by a 115 Mercury. Like 3 – 4 mph faster top end.
When the make a 175 HP Yamaha 4 stroke… I’m all over it. Or maybe I’ll buy a bigger C-liner and run that new 225 Yamaha 4 stroke that’s already on the market!
James Holst
Moving Waters Guide Service
http://www.movingwaters.netOctober 15, 2001 at 10:55 pm #234246Eat @#&% and die James how dare you make fun of my god ol jhon deere motor LOL!!!!
So what if it sputers and idles roughly and smokes a little bit.
GO FOUR STROKE YOU WILL SAVE THE MONEY ON GAS IN THE FIRST YEAR YOU OWN IT!
Wish I would have thought about it before I bought my motor.
See ya on the river.
Dustin
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