From “Friends of Pool 2”

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1316159

    Quoted email:

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    July 27, 2012

    CONTACT
    General Information:
    Kevin Chapdelaine
    Phone: 612-508-1284
    Friends of Pool 2
    Email: [email protected]
    web: http://www.friendsofpool2.org
    Sediment load continues to plague the Upper Mississippi Pool 2

    Today the US Army Corps of Engineers closed lower Mississippi River Pool 2’s largest recreational beach area, so that their contract mechanical dredge can begin dredging and placing material in the basin. Normally they wouldn’t have to close off or place a berm across the “mouth”, but this year, there has been so much sediment depositing in the basin, they would have to have dredged it out to get the material barges in. They will now land on the closed “mouth” and empty the barges over the berm. This will effectively close off this basin until a permanent upland disposal site can accept the material from the basin. We may not see full recreational opportunity again for several years.

    See this COE link for the Dredge Notice: http://www.mvp.usace.army.mil/docs/nav/notices/DN1213%20Pine%20Bend.pdf

    Three things come to mind when looking at this event. First of all is, that the excessive amount of sediment coming in to this area, did something we never see at these basins. It became a sediment trap. That does not bode well for the future recreation and navigation of Lower Pool 2.

    Second is the need for a concerted effort by all recreational users of Pool 2 and the many “Guardians of the St. Croix River” to campaign for increased recreational beaches in the Lower Pool 2 reaches. Without viable recreational beaches in that lower reach, recreational boaters are forced to use the already crowded beaches upriver or go to the St. Croix River. As a Minnesota DNR official said about 10 years ago, “If we can keep one extra boat off the St. Croix by having recreational opportunities in Pool 2, we need to promote it.” Alas, except for the dredge disposal islands, which are established for dredging and have, with the support of the COE, been usable for recreation, we have seen no concerted effort to achieve that goal.

    Lastly, it is important to note what happens in Lake Pepin, happens in Pool 2 first.

    The Friends of Pool 2 are committed to promoting the reduction of sediment in our Pool and the reestablishment of recreational beaches in same Pool.

    Copyright © 2012 Friends of Pool 2, All rights reserved.
    Media contact
    Our mailing address is:
    Friends of Pool 2
    P.O. Box 284
    Newport, MN 55055

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1087860

    The photo.

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1087873

    wow shutting down the sand cove?? that sucks

    jiggin-rake
    inver grove heights, minnesota
    Posts: 857
    #1087910

    Where exactly is the sand cove? Ive been from the airport to grey cloud and never seen that beach. Is it after the 90 degree bend in the river?

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1087913

    Yes. Just down river from there on the north side. Same place they dumped last year or the year before.

    Thought this tidbit from the friends of pool 2 web site was interesting. “Walleye and Sauger are found in above normal abundance and above average size as compared to Minnesota averages, including many trophy size fish in Pool 2?
    The Mn DNR has said that Pool 2 is the greatest fishery for walleyes in the state of Minnesota.
    If Asian Carp are allowed to reach abundant levels in Pool 2, the native fish like walleye and sauger will be wiped out.”

    Wonder whos mind that statement was created in.

    The DNR had a crew out netting for Asian carp yesterday. No big surprise but they never found any.

    Wonder who checks the dredging equipment for AIS as its being moved from place to place. Maybe zebs dont attach to heavy equipment that is anchored to the bottom for extended periods of time.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1087915

    Okay. Im calling BS on this one. Recreational area? How do these people think all the sand got into this area in the first place. Might of been because it is a dredge dumping area. Maybe they thought the corp had all that equipment up there to build sand boxes for everyone to play in.

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1087922

    It’s not BS at all, that part of the island is public and open for camping. It is also included in the Dakota County parks restoration plans as well I believe.

    I’m pretty sure the corps of engineers brings up their own dredging gear with them and they are just hopping from pool to pool, what difference does it make if they bring AIS with them if they never leave the river?

    AFAIK that cove was also “natural”, it just proved to be a convenient place for them to dump their crap onto..

    Quote:


    Okay. Im calling BS on this one. Recreational area? How do these people think all the sand got into this area in the first place. Might of been because it is a dredge dumping area. Maybe they thought the corp had all that equipment up there to build sand boxes for everyone to play in.


    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1087974

    Im pretty sure that nature didnt have much to do with all the sand that is piled in that cove. Well other than putting it in the bottom of the river first. Think the corp took over from there.

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1063300

    What does that have to do with anything though? They found a nice cove, dumped a bunch of crap in there, it ended up being a nice place for people to swim, and now they’re going to block off a public water way.

    I don’t understand why you’re on the corps side of this one..

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1088234

    First off, when did this become Pool 2’s largest recreation area? The corps has been filling that lagoon with sand for over 20 years. It has been lightly used by 1-2 boats for years. All of the sudden there are a dozen tuna boats in there. Last time I was in there, the corps still has signs to keep out. Two reasons. One, they have always planned to keep dumping dredge in there. It’s an active work zone. And two, the dredge is considered polluted and not safe to play in or camp on.

    Friends of Pool 2 mission statement is to promote recreational boating on lower pool 2. As far as I’m concerned, recreation boaters can do so elsewhere! I do not want to see lower Pool 2 turn into an overflow parking spot for St Croix boat traffic!!

    -J.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1762
    #1088256

    Quote:


    First off, when did this become Pool 2’s largest recreation area? The corps has been filling that lagoon with sand for over 20 years. It has been lightly used by 1-2 boats for years.

    -J.


    That is the same thing I was thinking!!! Especially with the water being low. There are plenty of other places. They shut that whole are down last year and I never heard a peep. I will tell you that it does not hurt my feelings one bit. Crappy place to put a tent anyhow. Cant catch $hit from shore there and absolutly no shade. Once there done the half dozen people that use it can return to there spot.

    Plus I am all for these tuna boats hanging out on the Croix anyways. The have alread made there impact on the shorelines there and can keep there 4 foot wake on the system where people have adjusted to these idiots.
    I have noticed that people who navagate P2 are far more aware of what they are doing than the Croix boys. I was out on the Croix yesterday and swear that half those guys put it on auto pilot and fly. If you are in there way you better move!! no BS either. Here on P2 80% of these boater will wave, smile and even go out of there way for other boats. There will always be the 10% that dont care but in general the boaters on P2 are way better to be around than on the Croix.

    Sorry to sound negitave…. Like I said I was just on the Croix yesterday and still have the sour taste in my mouth yet

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1088259

    these “tuna” boats are mostly from people that have their boats in seasonal slips at willies, river grove, or wherever.. they’re pool 2 residents as far as I’m concerned and no where near the same ilk as the people that frequent the Croix. I thought I was bad wanting the river to myself at times, you guys are going a little over the top

    2nd, the signs in the sand cove just said stay off the sand, it didn’t say stay out of the water. Hardly anyone camps in there anyways, but plenty of people have enjoyed swimming in there for years, myself included.

    They “shut down” the sand cove briefly last year or 2 years I forget when they were dredging and then pulled their crap out of there and it was open for business again..

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1088265

    mfreeman451,

    You did not read the links. One of the goals of Friends of Pool 2 is to attact boats from the St Croix.

    Personally, I would not let my dog swim in that lagoon. Just plain nasty.

    -J.

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1088268

    lol it’s not that bad..haha, sucks when the shad are in there and running into you all of the time, but how bad could it be?

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1088269

    Quote:


    but how bad could it be?


    Take a water sample and have it tested. Let us know the results!

    -J.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1088272

    Couple of stories from yesterday’s and today’s Pioneer Press. Friends are quoted in both articles.

    http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_21188367/asian-carp-threaten-all-species-mississippi-rivers-pool

    With statements like this, makes me scratch my head. Do they even realize pool 2 is a C&R fishery????

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    Another suggestion is to limit fishing in Pool 2, to give native fish a chance to flourish before the carp arrive.


    Asian carp threaten all species of the Mississippi River’s Pool 2, and they could spread farther

    By Bob Shaw
    [email protected]
    twincities.com
    Posted: 07/29/2012 12:01:00 AM CDT

    Mississippi River’s Pool 2 is a waterway in perilAs B-movie scripts go, it would be a doozy:

    “A-carp-olypse Now! See the 100-pound jumping monsters of the Orient! They kill your fish, scare your kids, uglify your lakes!

    “They whack you, smack you, knock you off your boat! See the Asian Contagion march from here to Canada!”

    If only it weren’t true.

    Asian carp may be the most urgent threat to Pool 2 of the Mississippi River, the troubled stretch from the Ford Dam in St. Paul to Hastings.

    The problem was explained to about 70 Mississippi-related organizations during a seminar on a riverboat in June.

    The group gasped when a man pulled a 100-pound frozen Asian carp from a cooler and held it like an artillery shell in his arms.

    “Having them here would be a catastrophe,” said Kevin Chapdelaine, founder of Friends of Pool 2, which promotes recreational and environmental improvements to the river.

    A series of speakers told the group that left alone, the Asian carp could decimate the life in most Minnesota lakes. They could expand into Canada if the flooding waters of Minnesota’s south-flowing rivers mingled with those of its north-flowing rivers.

    John Anfinson, manager of the Mississippi National River and Recreational Area for the National Park Service, listed threats posed by the four types of Asian carp.

    He said the bighead and silver carp are moving upstream most aggressively. Both are plankton eaters.

    The black carp eats mussels and snails and grows to 150 pounds. The grass carp eat river vegetation.
    They eat differently, but all of them eat quickly — as much as 20 percent of their body weight per day. They eat and breed so vigorously that they normally become about 90 percent of the fish life in a river.

    “Think of this in a cumulative way — what could all four do here?” Anfinson asked the group.

    The fish were imported from China in the 1970s by operators of fish farms in southern states. They were looking for a way to clean plankton and other plants from their ponds.

    The Asian carp performed magnificently. But when rivers flooded the fish farms, the carp escaped.

    Today, they pose an in-your-face threat — literally.

    When startled, they jump out of the water, all at once. “You can slap a paddle on a canoe, and they will all go,” said Anfinson.

    Dozens of YouTube videos show boats speeding through carp-infested waters, with hundreds of the fish leaping into the air.

    Anfinson said that in affected rivers, some fishermen rig metal frames around their boats with chicken wire to catch the flying carp. “They can take out your windshield,” he said.

    As the carp spread northward, Minnesota officials aren’t sure where — or how — to stop them.

    The spread can be slowed at locks and dams, according to

    Richard Carlson, Hanska, MN, carries a 68-pound Bighead Asian Carp down to a paddleboat in Rosemount before a tour of Pool 2 on the Mississippi River June 13, 2012. Carlson, who is a representative for a New Ulm area sport fisherman club said that the carp was caught in the Illinois River about a month ago. He brought four carp to the boat for educational purposes. (He said the DNR gave him permission as long as he had a receipt and they were frozen.) WaterShed Partners and Mississippi Makeover Project conduct a boat tour along Spring Lake and lower Pool 2, just upstream from Hastings, on the Anson Northrup Paddleboat June 13, 2012. The purpose was to explore and highlight issues in this important stretch of the river, including water quality, habitat restoration, recreational opportunities and the effects of Asian carp. (Pioneer Press: Jean Pieri) Whitney Clark, director of Friends of the Mississippi. It might be possible to keep them away with underwater sounds, bubbles or electric current.
    But Clark said the fish eventually can get past most barriers.

    Another option? Eliminate recreational boating from the lock and dams.

    In some locations, that would reduce lock openings by 80 percent, slashing the opportunities for the carp to swim upstream.

    Such measures would slow their spread, Clark said, but not stop it.

    Early warning signs are popping up in the Mississippi River. The DNA of the fish has already been detected in Pool 2. In December, it was found above the dam in Coon Rapids.

    That doesn’t necessarily mean large numbers of carp are present — yet. The carp population needs to expand to a certain point before the numbers explode.

    “There have to be enough males putting out enough pheromones to get the females to reproduce,” Anfinson said. “They need to reach critical mass.”

    If the population can be minimized, then that tipping point might not be reached.

    Officials have not yet caught an Asian carp in Pool 2.

    “If that happens, there will be an emergency closure of Lock and Dam No. 1” at the Ford Dam in St. Paul, said Tim Schlagenhaft, manager of the Lower Mississippi Habitat Partnership of the state Department of Natural Resources.

    Making Lock and Dam No. 1 the final barrier would mean surrendering Pool 2 to the carp. That possibility makes Chapdelaine feel like he’s been locked out of a safe house in a horror movie, as the zombies slowly move in.

    “It is, in essence, selling our river down the river,” Chapdelaine said.

    He is making progress in attracting recreational boaters to Pool 2, but the Asian invasion could spoil it.

    “A river full of invasive carp, and not much else, is not how anybody defines recreation in the state of Minnesota,” Chapdelaine wrote in an email.

    Clark and other officials say they haven’t given up on Pool 2.

    They want to prepare for the onslaught of the carp by strengthening local fish. To do that, they want to reduce the sediment that fills in backwaters and pools that native fish depend on to survive the winter.

    “They need water that is over 4 feet deep, with no current, good oxygen and warmer water,” said Jeff Janvrin, habitat specialist for the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources. Janvrin was also was on the riverboat cruise.

    Another suggestion is to limit fishing in Pool 2, to give native fish a chance to flourish before the carp arrive.

    Various barriers, river projects and lock upgrades have been proposed in Minnesota, but so far, none has received funding.

    Even if the projects do materialize, the Asian carp have one more trick — disguise.

    Their babies look like minnows. That means that despite all the barriers, a single angler taking minnows for bait from one river and dumping them into another could be spreading the carp.

    It’s as if they thought of everything but fangs.

    Bob Shaw can be reached at 651-228-5433. Follow him at twitter.com/BshawPP.

    SPOTTING CARP

    The U.S. Park Service needs help monitoring the advance of invasive Asian carp.

    The fish weigh as much as 100 pounds and have low-set eyes, a downward slanting mouth and a smooth, scaleless forehead. If you see such a fish, photograph it and the location and email it to: [email protected]. For information, call 651-293-0200 or visit nps.gov/miss.

    Copyright 2012 TwinCities. All rights reserved.

    Related story from yesterday’s paper:

    http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_21176608/mississippi-rivers-pool-2-is-waterway-peril?source=pkg

    Mississippi River’s Pool 2 is a waterway in peril
    By Bob Shaw
    [email protected]
    Posted: 07/28/2012 12:01:00 AM CDT
    July 29, 2012 5:43 PM GMTUpdated: 07/29/2012 12:43:05 PM CDT

    Former Newport mayor Kevin Chapdelaine travels by boat through Pool 2, the section of the Mississippi River from St. Paul’s Ford Dam to Hastings. Chapdelaine helped start a lobbying group, Friends of Pool 2, to advocate for this part of the river. (Pioneer Press: Ben Garvin) RelatedPool 2
    Asian carp threaten all species of the Mississippi River’s Pool 2, and they could spread farther
    When Kevin Chapdelaine boats on the Mississippi near his Newport home, he sees a river of trouble.

    He can’t even use most of it. It’s too shallow, with sediment filling his favorite fishing spots.

    He waves to passing boat pilots, who thread their barges through channels choked by silt.

    He fishes in waters packed with walleye and bass — which soon could be wiped out by an invasion of Asian carp.

    “Pool 2 needs a friend,” shouted Chapdelaine over the roar of his engine, during a recent outing on the river.

    Pool 2 — the 33-mile stretch of the river between the Ford Dam in St. Paul and Hastings — has been neglected for decades. Despite dozens of environmental projects completed elsewhere on the Mississippi, there has

    never been a single one in Pool 2.
    But it’s finally getting some attention.

    Last spring, Chapdelaine founded Friends of Pool 2, which promotes wildlife and recreational use. Members of 67 river-advocacy groups heard a call to action in June, when the group Mississippi Makeover sponsored a meeting and cruise aboard a two-story riverboat.

    The groups want to slash sediment, fight the carp, build islands and lure boaters to a pretty but controversial part of the river.

    “If the river here could be repaired,” said Mississippi Makeover coordinator Laura Jester, “perhaps we wouldn’t have to drive five hours to the BWCA.”

    TRUCKLOADS OF SILT

    The Mississippi is getting larger.

    In the past 20 years, the annual flow of the river has
    increased 24 percent, according to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. That’s largely because water flow of the Minnesota River, which joins the Mississippi at St. Paul, has increased a whopping 70 percent.
    Why? Experts say farmers in the Minnesota basin increasingly tile their fields to improve drainage. While this prevents soil erosion in the fields, it boosts the surge of water to the Minnesota — eroding its banks and sending that soil downstream.

    Also to blame is an increasing amount of hardscape, such as streets and rooftops, that send more water into the river instead of being absorbed in the ground.

    With the water comes silt.

    If the Mississippi were a trucking company, it would be delivering one semitrailer load of dirt to Pool 2 every 12 minutes, year after year.

    That sedimentation rate is about 10 times higher than it was in the Mississippi’s natural state about 200 years ago.

    The estimated 1 million tons of crud per year rushes through the narrow channels in St. Paul, but settles into the southern part of Pool 2 and Lake Pepin. It has left vast parts of Pool 2 only inches deep and unsuitable for any use.

    “Big areas have become aquatic deserts,” said John Anfinson, chief of resource management for the

    An egret fishes in an area that was once deep enough for boat travel in Pool 2. (Pioneer Press: Ben Garvin) U.S. Park Service’s Mississippi National River and Recreation Area.
    Chapdelaine feels like the silt is taking the river away one section at a time.

    He has lived on the river for 40 years and has seen the changing flow and sediment distort the river’s natural shape. He has watched whole islands disappear, as others grow, bend or swell like the slow-moving shapes in a lava lamp.

    Near the Wakota Bridge carrying Interstate 494, he passed a line of 8-foot posts sticking out of the shoreline. They used to be in the river.

    “Right there, that used to be 12 feet deep,” he said, pointing to the area. He said it was used as a staging area for as many as 200 barges.

    And about half a mile from that was a fishing spot he recalled from his

    A few years ago, this island didn’t exist, Kevin Chapdelaine says. Sediment has piled up and given rise to new islands and other unwanted land masses in the area called Pool 2. (Pioneer Press: Ben Garvin) youth. Silt has destroyed that, too, by filling it with sludge.
    BAD FOR BARGES

    Sediment also is choking barge traffic.

    The channel south of Cottage Grove is one of the most dangerous in the entire Mississippi, a 90-degree bend in a channel that narrows to 200 feet.

    For a 15-barge tow, that’s a hairpin turn.

    Some pilots don’t even try to make it. Many arrays of barges must be broken up so towboats can push them through in smaller batches.

    Out-of-control barges often swing wide and knock out buoys, according to corps navigation specialist Paul Machjewski.

    Friends of Pool 2 member Greg Genz, who is a consultant and broker for marine equipment, said the towboats, whose huge propellers often are powered by 5,600-horsepower

    In June, WaterShed Partners and Mississippi Makeover Project conducted a boat tour along Spring Lake and lower Pool 2, just upstream from Hastings. The purpose was to explore and highlight issues in this important stretch of the river, including water quality, habitat restoration, recreational opportunities and the effects of Asian carp. (Pioneer Press: Jean Pieri) motors, pound the beaches with waves — increasing erosion, boosting sediment and damaging wildlife.
    The silt collects in the channels the same way dust piles up in the corners of a basement. To maintain a 9-foot depth, the corps has been forced to dredge once a year for the past three years, according to Machjewski. The dredging used to be done every three to five years.

    From his boat, Chapdelaine sees sediment silently wrecking other businesses.

    He headed south from his home in Newport, entering an inlet on the west side of the river that serves Castaways Marina and three others. He slowed down, reading the ominous depth gauge: “12 feet … 6 … 4.5 ….”

    He stopped at 2.5 feet. Most boats couldn’t pass. Sediment had nearly sealed off one end of the inlet.

    “This is not supposed to be a dead-end channel, but it’s becoming that,” he said.

    WHO PAYS?

    Pool 2 has been easy to ignore.

    Since 1986, the corps’ environmental management program has completed 26 projects in the district from St. Paul to Guttenberg, Iowa. Habitats have been restored, wildlife promoted.

    In Pool 2 — nothing.

    “Pool 2 is a tough one,” said Tom Novak, project manager of the corps’ Upper Mississippi restoration program. “We just felt there is not much we could do here.”

    That’s because the federal government pays only for projects on federal land. Pool 2 doesn’t have federal land, so environmental projects require a local partner to pay about 35 percent of the cost.

    States share costs on most sections of the Mississippi, but pools 1 and 2 are entirely in Minnesota.

    And for states or cities clobbered by the economic downturn, paying millions for river improvements is politically unthinkable.

    Pool 2 has especially suffered because no islands have been built.

    Islands make river water clearer by reducing the effect of wind, which whips up waves that crash into fragile shoreline.

    For wildlife, they are habitat. For people, islands provide beaches, woods, fishing and beautiful coves.

    The corps has built dozens of islands, and there is a new proposal to build 10 more on the Mississippi River near Red Wing. But none have been built in Pool 2.

    That’s an oversight, said Mississippi Makeover’s Jester. She said island-building is the No. 1 priority of the group.

    The 50,000 cubic yards of material dredged from the Pool 2 barge channels each year could be used to build islands, she said, instead of being dumped on Grey Cloud Island.

    One reason for caution, said the corps’ Machjewski, is that islands slow the flow of the river, which causes backups and increased flooding.

    But Pool 2 advocates say the flow can be increased in other ways to compensate.

    “Island-building needs to happen if this part of the river is going to be healthy again,” Chapdelaine said.

    NO SQUEAKY WHEEL

    Ironically, one reason that Pool 2 is ignored is that it’s protected.

    Since 1988, it has been part of the 72-mile Mississippi National River and Recreation Area, a national park that stretches from Dayton, Minn., to just south of Hastings. Building of roads, homes and businesses is strictly limited.

    That means few people use it.

    “Above Hastings, it’s like a graveyard,” Chapdelaine said.

    It also means few people care about it. The river could become a swamp, and no chorus of voices would lobby for help.

    In contrast, the Lake Pepin part of the Mississippi has no such protection. It is lined with scenic highways, marinas and homes and is alive with power boats, canoes and sailboats.

    Which means thousands of people use it — and protest if they think it’s being damaged.

    The millionaires complain, said Friends of Pool 2 member Genz, when rising silt means they can’t get their boats in the water.

    “They become the squeaky wheel,” he said.

    Although there are more than 60 groups that claim to be protecting the Mississippi, none has focused on Pool 2 — until Friends of Pool 2 was formed.

    Chapdelaine’s focus isn’t fish, it’s people. He believes if more people use Pool 2, it will lead to greater political pressure to preserve it.

    “There has never been a voice for the recreational user,” said Chapdelaine, “until our group.”

    “We should be attracting kayakers, hunters, anglers,” said Jester.

    To do that, they will have to overcome the river’s reputation. Although the water is cleaner than it has been in decades, the silt makes it look dirty.

    In some places, businesses, such as menacing-looking refineries, appear on the shores. And some boaters worry about the barges.

    That’s why Chapdelaine had the river all to himself on a recent afternoon. Not another boat was in sight. He turned off the motor and drifted.

    The eagles, the bluffs, the ripples from river fish and the smell of the pines all made the river feel like a lake in Canada.

    Then he looked at his idled propeller, his barometer of water clarity.

    “I can see my prop,” he said. “It’s a good day.”

    Bob Shaw can be reached at 651-228-5433. Follow him at twitter.com/BshawPP.

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1088274

    Jon what does asian carp and c&r have to do with anything? What is your stance on this? Do you think the Asian Carp invasion is overstated and not a threat, or not an imminent threat, or what? It sounds like MikeW thinks its all BS too, I’m kind of confused..

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1088289

    The point is “Friends of Pool 2” may want to consider having a few anglers sitting in on their meetings. From some of their comments, they would seeming prefer to have no fishing boats in the way of their pleasure boating. Almost blaming anglers for the Asian Carp problem. (The comment about anglers transporting asian carp minnows as bait for example. ) All a bunch of uneducated BS in my opinion.

    -J.

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1088293

    I totally agree Jon, and I think now is the time to get involved if you can. FOP2 is having a meeting in Newport on August 12th, anyone with a vested interest in P2 should show up and voice their opinions.

    I’d like to understand more what are the concerns of the fisherman on P2, thoughts?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1088294

    Slightly off topic, but not really.

    Just a few years ago at the meeting to make P4 from Red Wing to L&D 3 a no wake zone the Corp stated the dredge material could not be used for sand boxes or used to replace eroded beach property because it was polluted.

    Now I see “dredge island” just up stream of Treasure Island Power plant has been carved out to make a lagoon for weekend campers. Tenting with their kids playing in the sand.

    Bringing it back to P2…isn’t this the same sand from the same river??

    Now I’m confused.

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1088299

    Even before they cut that cove back out people had been using that island for recreation, and I had never saw any signage indicating that people shouldn’t either.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1088313

    Quote:


    Even before they cut that cove back out people had been using that island for recreation,


    Are they still alive?

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1088321

    Quote:


    Even before they cut that cove back out people had been using that island for recreation, and I had never saw any signage indicating that people shouldn’t either.


    That’s because the signs were stolen or removed without permission. ( Or blasted full of gunshot…. )

    -J.

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1088339

    Do you ever go on the river in the daylight?

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Even before they cut that cove back out people had been using that island for recreation,


    Are they still alive?


    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1088346

    Quote:


    Jon what does asian carp and c&r have to do with anything? What is your stance on this? Do you think the Asian Carp invasion is overstated and not a threat, or not an imminent threat, or what? It sounds like MikeW thinks its all BS too, I’m kind of confused..


    I think the guy whining about the Corp using that cove to drop there dredgings is a bunch of BS. Guess if it was a place I frequented I would be somewhat upset but anyone that spends any amount of time on pool 2 knows nothing stays the same for very long.

    With statements like increasing recreational traffic on pool 2 and limit fishing makes me really wonder what their complete agenda is.

    mfreeman451
    Posts: 543
    #1088347

    Have you seen Dakota County Park’s master plan for lower pool 2? Lots of changes coming for the river apparently, might as well accept it and try and put in your input where you can.

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    Jon what does asian carp and c&r have to do with anything? What is your stance on this? Do you think the Asian Carp invasion is overstated and not a threat, or not an imminent threat, or what? It sounds like MikeW thinks its all BS too, I’m kind of confused..


    I think the guy whining about the Corp using that cove to drop there dredgings is a bunch of BS. Guess if it was a place I frequented I would be somewhat upset but anyone that spends any amount of time on pool 2 knows nothing stays the same for very long.

    With statements like increasing recreational traffic on pool 2 and limit fishing makes me really wonder what their complete agenda is.


    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
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    Think I have taken a look at that a while ago. St Paul has a pretty aggressive plan to. You got a link to Dakota counties?

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