Pool 2 Channel Project to Start

  • Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6011
    #1709152

    From today’s Star Tribune.

    http://www.twincities.com/2017/08/08/river-project-opens-up-a-two-mile-mississippi-channel-connecting-two-dead-waterways/

    River project opens up a two-mile Mississippi channel connecting two dead waterways

    By Bob Shaw | [email protected] | Pioneer Press
    August 8, 2017 at 7:23 pm

    Grey Cloud Island is having a grand opening — for a project to open a new channel in the Mississippi River.

    A groundbreaking ceremony is set for 3 p.m. Wednesday at the construction site, on Grey Cloud Island Drive South about a quarter mile southwest of Grey Cloud Trail South.

    The $1.8 million project will connect two dead-end waterways, allowing river water to flow through and creating a new passageway for boaters. It also will construct a concrete-arch bridge structure.

    Workers will build a new 45-foot-wide channel, finishing later this year or early next spring. The work is being funded by the local watershed district, Washington County and the state.

    The passageway was sealed off during the record-setting flood of 1965. As the flood water rose, officials filled in the narrow channel with truckloads of rock to protect houses downstream.

    But until now, the fill-in material was never removed. Officials say that restoring the natural flow of the river will make the water cleaner, and will benefit wildlife along two miles of shoreline.

    Boaters will be able to float from the main channel of the Mississippi River in St. Paul Park to Lower Grey Cloud Island.

    For information and a map, go to https://www.co.washington.mn.us/2414/County-Highway-75-Grey-Cloud-Island.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1750
    #1709188

    This is a major deal to us pool 2’ers. Should be a great thing for most. It will change the whole system back there. It is pretty cool right now the way it is but will remove that clear water and weeds. So the bucketmouth boys will see a major impact that may not be good but who know. For us real fishermen chasing eyes and cats it will be a wonderful thing I believe.

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1709275

    I spend most of my time on the other side of downtown, but this is still very interesting. Looking forward to seeing how it changes things.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #1709337

    My buddy bought a house on this channel last year. I have caught some decent panfish in it but it gets overgrown with weeds by June to the point where you almost can’t fish it. Interested to see the changes that take place.

    BrianF
    Posts: 757
    #1709353

    Hope they dredge the mouth of the channel leading into there. Why create a 43′ bridge opening to accommodate boats when boats can’t even access those waters at normal summer river levels due to siltation?

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6011
    #1709376

    There will be dredging to allow boating.

    See this PDF. Maps and Aerial photos starting on page 42. (Cool aerial pics from the late 30’s to today)

    http://www.swwdmn.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Final_Grey-Cloud-Channel-Restoration_EAW_20160321_R_2.pdf

    Also time lapse web cam here:

    https://app.oxblue.com/open/WC/CR75

    At first I thought they were tearing out the culvert on Mooers lake. They are opening up the upper end of Grey Cloud.

    -J.

    john23
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 2578
    #1709403

    I’m excited about the changes. Thanks for sharing the doc and time lapse, Jon.

    fish-them-all
    Oakdale, MN
    Posts: 1189
    #1710387

    Not a big fan of this project, but only time will tell. Seems there could be unforeseen consequences of this when the water is high.

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1710399

    Not a big fan of this project, but only time will tell. Seems there could be unforeseen consequences of this when the water is high.

    There are consequences to every action and inaction — but I doubt they will be unforeseen in this case. They’ve been thru enough flooding along that stretch of the river to know the worst of what they’re up against and I would be shocked if new contingencies for flooding aren’t part of the plan. Projects like this don’t typically just launch without years of research.

    Cal
    Savage, MN USA!!!
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    #1710406

    Not a big fan of this project, but only time will tell. Seems there could be unforeseen consequences of this when the water is high.

    Agree. I doubt a few bass fishermen are real high on their list of concerns. That dead-end channel was the only place that consistently held LM in Pool 2 year after year and it was precisely because it was a dead end. The first flood event will blow it out. What a shame. I scratched many an early season itch back there while the rest of the state was closed to bass fishing.

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1710408

    Agree. I doubt a few bass fishermen are real high on their list of concerns. That dead-end channel was the only place that consistently held LM in Pool 2 year after a year and it was precisely because it was a dead end. The first flood event will blow it out. What a shame. I scratched many an early season itch back there while the rest of the state was closed to <strong class=”ido-tag-strong”>bass fishing.

    Fish-them-all edited his original post, but I was under the impression his concerns were about potential flooding and increased boat traffic, not about LMB. If the area was a naturally occurring LMB habitat that they wanted to sacrifice for industrial or commercial profit, then I’d probably feel differently.

    Cal
    Savage, MN USA!!!
    Posts: 66
    #1710415

    Fish-them-all edited his original post, but I was under the impression his concerns were about potential flooding and increased boat traffic, not about LMB. If the area was a naturally occurring LMB habitat that they wanted to sacrifice for industrial or commercial profit, then I’d probably feel differently.

    It’s of course a moot point now as construction is underway and it would probably take a Tiananmen Square-style protest to do anything about it. I just wish I had heard about the project in the early stages. I contacted the Pioneer Press reporter quoted above and he responded that he had been covering the project for a year and my email was the first time he had heard about any potential downside to the project (I had written about the wonderful LM fishery back there). I hope the fishery survives but based on every other flow-through channel I’ve fished on Pool 2, I don’t believe it will happen.

    john23
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 2578
    #1710434

    I can really sympathize with the loss of a good fishing spot. I’d be willing to bet, though, that a new one will emerge.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1750
    #1710646

    Not a big fan of this project, but only time will tell. Seems there could be unforeseen consequences of this when the water is high.

    Beyond the fish, I don’t know what major impact this will have with flooding.. I grew up down there and know many of the land lots well. Not many have to worry about this that I can think of. It will change the ecology of that area for sure. This is what the river does in many areas. It changes. We have to learn to change with it… Bass, they are not just back in GCI… Its a magnet to bass fishermen but there are a lot of other areas that hold fish. The upside to having flow back in there is worth the gamble of what will be lost in my opinion. Land owners will feel the traffic. If they are concerned about it I do see why but others will benefit that live there as well having direct access to the main channel.

    The natural path of the river feed through this area… That old land bridge was a barrier that we put there. They are just removing it and allowing the river to become what it used to be. Never a bad thing in my opinion.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1710665

    nothing stays the same for to long on the river. thats what makes river fishermen so good at what they do. little surprised to hear this project is being worked on. so many plans you hear about and nothing happens.

    BrianF
    Posts: 757
    #1723547

    Well, having just fished in front of the Grey Cloud channel on the main river, I can see one potential problem nobody has contemplated relative to this project. With the channel now re-opened, there is a tremendous vacuum effect going on, with current pulling huge floating logs from the main river into the mouth of the channel where they hang-up on the shallow water there. Even if the sand bar at the mouth of the channel gets dredged as is planned, I still fear this will be a collection point for the huge logs that float down the river since there is a natural bend at the channel mouth, compounded by the fact there is now tremendous current pulling logs into the chute from the main river channel. Something to watch, but I’ve never seen so many big logs piled up at the mouth of the channel as there is right now. Can’t see how that will improve, but maybe someone has other thoughts about the future accessibility of that newly opened channel.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #1724262

    That’s interesting but makes sense Brian. I’m going to be at my buddy’s house who lives on that channel this Saturday for the first time since they opened it up. He said there has been a lot of current through there (although the river being high recently would account for most of that). Planning to try for some panfish while I’m there.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6011
    #1779901

    Update on the finished project from the St Paul Pioneer Press:

    This bridge has made all the difference for some island residents

    By Bob Shaw | [email protected] | Pioneer Press
    PUBLISHED: June 9, 2018 at 9:00 am | UPDATED: June 12, 2018 at 10:23 am

    An old river has learned a new trick in Elizabeth Bell’s back yard — it is flowing.

    Her part of the Mississippi River had been stagnant since 1965, when a three-mile channel was blocked to control flooding. But now the water creeps along at a natural pace, thanks to the channel-changers that reopened the waterway.

    “We have the river flowing in front of us, and it’s wonderful,” said Bell, the clerk of Grey Cloud Island Township. “This has been the hope for many of us for many years.”

    Thanks to the $1.2 million project, fresh water is sweeping though the narrow passageway and cleaning out algae, weeds and floating garbage. For the first time in 53 years, boaters can use the scenic shortcut between St. Paul Park and Hastings.

    “We are getting a good flush through the system. You never see changes in water quality that are that abrupt,” said Matt Moore, director of the South Washington Watershed District, which managed the project.

    “It’s pretty fabulous.”

    In April 1965, officials were panicked by a record-setting flood. They raced to complete hundreds of last-minute preparations, including damming the channel with truckloads of rock and landfill.

    The water subsided, but the dam remained.

    For decades, the natural waterway was snipped in two, becoming a pair of dead-end inlets.

    Last year, the Watershed District tore out the dam and built a two-lane bridge over the water.

    This summer, homeowners are noticing the difference.

    “Now that we have this wonderful bridge, it makes us part of the river,” said Bell.

    The moving water is already altering the shape of the channel, which has remained unchanged for decades.

    On one small island, Lee Mullen was trying to keep up with those changes on Tuesday.

    Mullen, who lives on the channel, paddled to the island for an erosion-control mission. He pounded wooden pegs into the shoreline, to set up logs to resist the new threat of the moving water.

    On another bank of the island, he pointed out how gathering silt was making the water shallower.

    “My neighbor said there were going to be changes, and he was right,” said Mullen.

    The current has washed away stagnant water, but it has brought in branches, debris and entire trees from the main channel of the Mississippi. Mullen has had to put cables on his dock to hold it against the new current.

    “This year, I have seen bass boats come through, making big waves,” he said. His goal for the summer is to get Washington County to install “No wake” signs along the channel.

    He has, however, noticed one big advantage to the channel reopening. By his house, the moving water scrubs the riverbed clean, removing weeds that choked his dock last year.

    The same thing is happening at the home of his neighbor, township clerk Bell.

    “It is wonderful. It is pretty,” she said. “We are no longer on a lake, so to speak.”

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    pool2fool
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    St. Paul, MN
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    #1779904

    “This year, I have seen bass boats come through, making big waves,” he said. His goal for the summer is to get Washington County to install “No wake” signs along the channel.

    Curious to know if it’s already been designated no wake but just missing the signage?

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6011
    #1779908

    If it goes no wake, there should be signs at the Lions Levee ramp. I don’t think the wakes are a new problem. Bass boat have always been running up there. (Doesn’t everyone want a no wake sign in front of their dock???)

    I chickened out running through the culvert there. (Going downstream) Not sure how getting back through would go? Lot of water pushing through there. Anyone run down and then back upstream through there? What kind of depths did you see?

    -J.

    Pete Bauer
    Stillwater, MN
    Posts: 2599
    #1779913

    If it goes no wake, there should be signs at the Lions Levee ramp. I don’t think the wakes are a new problem. Bass boat have always been running up there. (Doesn’t everyone want a no wake sign in front of their dock???)

    I chickened out running through the culvert there. (Going downstream) Not sure how getting back through would go? Lot of water pushing through there. Anyone run down and then back upstream through there? What kind of depths did you see?

    -J.

    Hah! I chickened out too

    I could be wrong, but isn’t everything in MN technically no wake within 150′ of shore? Or is that just for jetskis?

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1750
    #1779915

    John23 and I ran it last week. The bridge is not the issue. It is about 6 feet deep and pretty easy to run.. you just have to run it and not chicken out half way through.
    However there is some major silt buildup in a couple areas that will need to be addressed if boats plan to use it. Just below the bridge is a large scour hole with silt lift on the downsteam end that was about 1.75 ft deep.

    In the summer this may become exposed silt or close to it and be pretty tough to pass.

    The 1st 1.5 miles past that scour is pretty good (4-6 fow) but once you clear the s turn it gets super shallow again. The weeds are starting to grow as well in the new silt down there so will see weed growth. I think that’s good but it will clog up this summer without some help.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1750
    #1779916

    Also, I do not see them putting no wake throughout the whole back channel. The bridge should be no wake of course but beyond that you might have to run on plane just to get over some of that soft silt buildup. A good portion of the area back there is limestone walls. Just like many other back channels. It is very similar to the side channel below Willies Hidden Harbor.

    As far as the islands go… These are old silt islands and will continue to see change every year with high water now. To worry about a wake harming them???? Come on. Just wait till we get another year of high water. Those efforts will all go to waste. There are always + and – to everything and not everyone will be happy about it. Just as the article states. One neighbor is happy and the other seems to be resisting the change. This will be a common topic will all that live and use the area.

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
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    #1779918

    Thanks for the report Buschman. It will be interesting to see how this works out long-term. I was in favor of the project and I think the positives will outweigh the negatives.

    That said, the channel being navigable for boats was one of the big promises/goals of this project, so I sure hope that remains a priority.

    deertracker
    Posts: 9231
    #1779919

    Geez Jon. I’ve fished with you. If you’re not going through there no one is. jester
    DT

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6011
    #1779940

    Geez Jon. I’ve fished with you. If you’re not going through there no one is. jester
    DT

    Late in the afternoon. It’s a long way back if you need to run to the end of grey cloud slough and then back up the main channel. A loooooong ride! waytogo

    -J.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1750
    #1779956

    I was back there on 4/28 when the water was up there.. I would not run it.. It was a little intimidating.
    I went back there again with a buddy to show him and while we were there a bass boat came up river and ran it. It was fun to watch but still thought the better of it ourselves. When it is running hard you have to go full throttle because of the incline. The water level made quite the incline/decline coming through. It looked like a 2-2.5 ft incline going upriver. Pretty similar to running rapids up on the English river. Put the hammer down and keep after it till you are well clear.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6011
    #1779959

    It looked like a 2-2.5 ft incline going upriver.

    Yep, that pic from the article is kinda deceiving! Looks like an easy run. But like you said, you will need to lay on the throttle to get back upstream. Especially now with the water on the way back up.

    -J.

    dbright
    Cambridge
    Posts: 1862
    #1779965

    You guys make me want to make a trip down to gray cloud just to run it now.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6011
    #1779970

    You guys make me want to make a trip down to gray cloud just to run it now.

    Take video! woot

    -J.

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