Plot that didnt take

  • Eric Rehberg
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 3071
    #1714684

    Planted 3 different plots the first week of august. 2 of them turned out great. The 3rd one had very hard soil and was on a side hill. Needless to say we got rain right after planting and it washed all the seed down the hill. This is only about 1/3 to 1/2 acre plot. I would say about 1/4 actually took.

    Anything I can do with it at this time of year so I could have something growing in there come November and December or is it too late for anything now?

    All of these plots would be what I would consider “kill plots” They are not meant as a food source, nutrition, ect. as there is more than enough food for them around. Just meant for something for them to stop at before they go out to the big crop fields.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11850
    #1714744

    Anything I can do with it at this time of year so I could have something growing in there come November and December or is it too late for anything now?

    All of these plots would be what I would consider “kill plots” They are not meant as a food source, nutrition, ect. as there is more than enough food for them around.

    Yes, you still have time. I’d recommend you plant a high-quality clover blend and then plant oats as a nurse crop. I’ll be planting this on a new clover plot later this week.

    You are very lucky, now is a great time to have this as an option. First, clover is best planted as a fall crop because this will reduce weeds in the plot because clover germinates and grows in cooler weather whereas weed seeds do not. Also, clover is an ideal crop for your hill because it is a perennial crop so you will not have to till and replant next year. On a hillside every time you till and plant, you risk having what happened to you, happen again. A well-planted and managed stand of clover will last 3-4 years. I have clover now that is 4 years old.

    It is very important to use a clover blend that is tuned to the conditions in MN and NOT a mail order blend from the south.

    Oats should be seeded in with the clover as a nurse crop for several reasons. First they grow very quickly and protect the clover by providing a sweet food for the deer to hammer so they will focus on this and not get at the clover that is coming next to the soil. Also, oats will help prevent erosion.

    I would disc across the hillside and set your gangs with no angle to “ridge” the soil at the last pass parallel to the line of the hill to maximize the erosion protection. Setting ridges will help catch seed in a light rain.

    Grouse

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1714767

    Exactly what Grouse said, but I am still on the fence between oats and winter rye. Either will work great, I just haven’t had enough experience with oats. I just overseeded my ag beans with winter rye last night. I think if you can get it in this weekend you should be fine.

    Eric Rehberg
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 3071
    #1714773

    Thanks guys, That was my first thoughts was clover and winter rye. All the roads/trails currently have oats on them so there is plenty of oats around also.
    Depending on weather I may try and get there this weekend and re-seed. I wont have access to a disk so will more than likely will just be four wheeler tracks and hand rake and see what happens.

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1714775

    Anything you can drag behind the wheeler first before spreading seed to rough up the ground would be helpful and running over the seed after seeding with the wheeler tires to pack the seed down would also help. Good luck, we might get some rain this weekend so timing would be perfect if you can make it.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11850
    #1714814

    That was my first thoughts was clover and winter rye. All the roads/trails currently have oats on them so there is plenty of oats around also.

    The reason I use oats as a nurse crop for clover is that oats will almost all winter kill in the MN/WI. Rye, on the other hand, will survive.

    If you use oats, the oats when fall-planted will not reach maturity and so you’ll be left with a clean plot of clover next spring.

    Rye on the other hand, will survive the winter so the next year you’ll have a clover/rye plot and will have to mow it to avoid having the rye head out and drop seeds. I also have some concern about the rye stunting the young clover growth the following spring, but I suppose the side benefit is the rye will take some grazing pressure.

    Neither one is necessarily bad, it’s just the oats tendency to die out over winter gives me a self-terminating nurse crop which is exactly what you want in most cases.

    Grouse

    river rat randy
    Hager City WI
    Posts: 1736
    #1714878

    Planted 3 different plots the first week of august. 2 of them turned out great. The 3rd one had very hard soil and was on a side hill. Needless to say we got rain right after planting and it washed all the seed down the hill. This is only about 1/3 to 1/2 acre plot. I would say about 1/4 actually took.

    Anything I can do with it at this time of year so I could have something growing in there come November and December or is it too late for anything now?

    All of these plots would be what I would consider “kill plots” They are not meant as a food source, nutrition, ect. as there is more than enough food for them around. Just meant for something for them to stop at before they go out to the big crop fields.

    Planted This is only about 1/3 to 1/2 acre plot. I would say about 1/4 actually

    All of these plots would be what I would consider “kill plots” They are not meant as a food source, nutrition, ect. as there is more than enough food for them around. Just meant for something for them to stop at before they go out to the big crop fields.

    …”KILL PLOTS” very well put Eric.!!

    deertracker
    Posts: 9253
    #1714889

    Haven’t seen RRR post in a long time. As soon as he can take a dig at food plots he is back…. coffee
    DT

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