Pathetic

Jonesy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>eyeguy507 wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dan wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>eyeguy507 wrote:</div>
Fire your weapon in the air since you are terrified of a friendly pitbull

I’ll echo what patk said. Safe and responsible use of firearms means you own that bullet until it stops. I’ve trained with many cops (I’m not one) and can’t speak for all of them but a lot of them, as well as armed private security and military, do not even have the word “warning shot” in their vocabulary.

My comments have nothing to do with the story itself, just wanted to hit on the mention of discharging a firearm.

You would think after the St. Anthony incident, cops would be a little apprehensive with their trigger fingers. I guess what bothers me the most is he never even attempted to back up, just shot…wtf? Pretty sure he was not thinking where that bullet ends up after it left his firearm.

How in the heck do you get to that conclusion? All you see is the officer back up. At 5 seconds in the officer is off frame and when he shoots he is halfway up the frame.

What I meant was after he backed up when he saw the dog….he then stops, sees the dog come closer while wagging his tail to welcome a strange visitor, then shoots it instead of backing up further to the fence. I should have been clearer. If this is ok with you then so be it. I have 2 family members who are cops, one a sheriff here in olmsted county and one who patrols Minneapolis. They both said it is a black eye on the police.

Jonesy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>nhamm wrote:</div>
Pit or no pit, have any idea how many crappy dogs these officers encounter on a daily basis?

I’ve personally seen “good” family dogs in a second go apeshit and bite into my buddies arm, almost tear off another girl’s face, and rip apart another small dog. All separate incidents over Northside. Can’t imagine what these guys see.

Two big dogs coming at ya in an enclosed area, that’s extremely intimidating for an officer who’s probably had bad past experiences influencing his actions.

Yeah it looks like crap. Way better scenarios that should’ve happened you’d hope these guys trained for, but I won’t judge. Hope some better training comes out from this, pretty lucky dogs to survive.

Having been a police officer and still working in a field which requires physical intervention I tell everyone that use of force always looks like crap. Violence is not pretty. It’s not like the movies and is hardly ever smooth.

Just out of curiosity, why are you not a police officer anymore and now a security guard?

john23 wrote:

Did I miss the thread where everyone criticized the cop who shot a concealed carry guy for supposedly reaching for his gun? There was a video of that, too.

no thread for that but i think there may have been a thread supporting him….

eyeguy507 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Black98TransAm wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>nhamm wrote:</div>
Pit or no pit, have any idea how many crappy dogs these officers encounter on a daily basis?

I’ve personally seen “good” family dogs in a second go apeshit and bite into my buddies arm, almost tear off another girl’s face, and rip apart another small dog. All separate incidents over Northside. Can’t imagine what these guys see.

Two big dogs coming at ya in an enclosed area, that’s extremely intimidating for an officer who’s probably had bad past experiences influencing his actions.

Yeah it looks like crap. Way better scenarios that should’ve happened you’d hope these guys trained for, but I won’t judge. Hope some better training comes out from this, pretty lucky dogs to survive.

Having been a police officer and still working in a field which requires physical intervention I tell everyone that use of force always looks like crap. Violence is not pretty. It’s not like the movies and is hardly ever smooth.

Just out of curiosity, why are you not a police officer anymore and now a security guard?

I shot some dogs after jumping a fence… In actuality a budget cut. Then a family decision to be a stay at home dad during the week and work the weekend. Now that my kids are somewhat older and grandparents have retired I work in a different area of the justice system. I’m also involved in a multi department/agency force in the area of child abductions. I also deal with extraditions and yes do some security work. Especially in the areas of threat monitoring, response plan development, and infant abduction prevention.

Seems you made an assumption about my statements. I never justified the officers actions. In fact I never gave my opinion on the matter. But based on my training and experience I think he made a mistake.

That was a d!ck question eyeguy.

nhamm wrote:

That was a d!ck question eyeguy.

I have an uncle named Dick and he would never ask a question like that.

nhamm wrote:

That was a d!ck question eyeguy.

Terrible useage on your part but just getting a stab back at a poster who made an “Ahole” comment a while back that I took offense to.
Anyway back to the story, now the police union is backing the cop #shockingnews! The dog now didn’t charge him like he falsely stated, but growled so he backed up. Which is evident once he saw the video.
Evidently he didn’t back up to the fence because of the height. I think he is lucky he didn’t get attacked by those dogs doing what any protective dog would do. Sure would be nice if for once a guy would just own up to his mistake and accept his punishment instead of manipulating his BS story.

eyeguy507 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>nhamm wrote:</div>
That was a d!ck question eyeguy.

Terrible useage on your part but just getting a stab back at a poster who made an “Ahole” comment a while back that I took offense to.
Anyway back to the story, now the police union is backing the cop #shockingnews! The dog now didn’t charge him like he falsely stated, but growled so he backed up. Which is evident once he saw the video.
Evidently he didn’t back up to the fence because of the height. I think he is lucky he didn’t get attacked by those dogs doing what any protective dog would do. Sure would be nice if for once a guy would just own up to his mistake and accept his punishment instead of manipulating his BS story.

What comment? Feel free to PM if you want because I looked through all my posts dating back to august of 2016 and I don’t see me making an “ahole” comment. Unless you did not mean in the literal sense. Still the only interaction between us that I saw was about ice fishing :???::???::???:

Body cam video released:

kstp.com/news/body-cam-video-dog-shooting-minneapolis-released/4548175/?cat=1

Still don’t see a reason to shoot here….

-J.

I hope this guy gets the crap sued out of him. Those vet bills should be paid by him, not the tax payers. This guy better not be back on the street.

I am a dog person, but even more of a pro-cop person. I would feel terrible, but wouldn’t have an issue if those were my dogs that got shot. The fact of whether or not the dogs seemed to act aggressively or not is immaterial to me. The officer feared for his safety and had to make a split second decision. If my mom was Justine Dammond, the same thought apply’s. I am not willing to put myself in harms way on a daily basis for the sake of others. I think we all owe them the benefit of the doubt, because they see and experience things I don’t even want to comprehend. Cops are human and make tragic mistakes. I’ve come to grips with the fact that we live in an imperfect world. I wish that the rest of the world could come to grasp that fact as I do.

ClownColor wrote:

Most these issues you are seeing stems from affirmative action. They are hiring officers that have no business being LEO’s. No longer are they taking the best but hiring incompetent people to make a quota…only now we are seeing the ramifications of these results due to more and more cameras. This same thing happened with MFD some years past…it seems to be the trend in MSP to hire unqualified people…look at the Mayor, and you just wait to see who the next mayor will be after elections.

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If my mom was Justine Dammond, the same thought apply’s.[/quote]

That is one of the dumbest things i have ever read on the internet.

I don’t know Officer Noor from boo. I haven’t paid very much attention to the negative rumor mill about him online. I haven’t followed the story very closely beyond the basic fact that she was killed by Officer Noor. You can bet if it was my mom I would have a firmer grasp on the facts involved. If it was my Mom I would want to talk to the Officer and hear his explanation on why he fired his weapon. I’ve followed the dogs shooting more closely because everything I needed to see was on video. My post gives the frame of reference for how I think about and approach these matters. I come from a place of grace for police officers because they have to deal with the worst of humanity on a day to day basis.

saugeye-steve wrote:

If my mom was Justine Dammond, the same thought apply’s.

That is one of the dumbest things i have ever read on the internet.
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His mom must be proud of her boy.

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My best friend’s dad was a police officer and we grew up very close, I’ve always had a lot of respect for PO, especially those that work in high risk areas(gang strike force, etc.).

That said, I believe that when you shoot someone/something that shouldn’t be
shot, you should face the full ramifications. “Well they deal with bad people a lot, so like, you never know, anyone could be trying to kill them so it’s totally cool to like shoot first and ask questions later.”

That’s your job, and your responsibility. You are being paid(probably not enough, which is probably part of the problem), to make the right decisions to keep in order in society. That’s not easy, no one is suggesting that, but when you screw up you should be help accountable.

I can’t imagine being a police officer, I wouldn’t want to make those decisions, THAT IS WHY I DID NOT PURSE A CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. I don’t want that kind of responsibility, but if you can’t handle that responsibility then you should be in another line of work. If you show a proclivity to making poor decisions in your line of work, you should be let go.

“If my mom was Justine Hammond…”

Holy crap, that is the most unbelievable comment I’ve ever read anywhere, ever. And that is saying a lot. You should get some kind of award for that, seriously.

The “if my mom was Justine Dammond” comment is a doozie…just WOW! Just goes to show people with that mindset are sitting on our jury’s. They found a startled copper who unloaded 7 rounds into a guy from 1 foot away not guilty. I am shocked the city didn’t burn after that one.

It didn’t burn eyeguy bc most people dont think they are better, smarter, and more informed than the next fellow, unlike yourself.

IMO and experiences jury decisions are still respected in the hood. That’s why it didn’t burn.

Out of curiosity eyeguy, where do you live? Assuming 507 is your area code?

If you Google ‘dog tail wagging’ the very first result says:

Perhaps the most common misinterpretation of dogs is the myth that a dog wagging its tail is happy and friendly. While some wags are indeed associated with happiness, others can mean fear, insecurity, a social challenge or even a warning that if you approach, you are apt to be bitten.Dec 5, 2011
What a Wagging Dog Tail Really Means: New Scientific Data …
https://www.psychologytoday.com/…/what-wagging-dog-tail-really-means-new-scientifi&#8230;

jwellsy wrote:

If you Google ‘dog tail wagging’ the very first result says:
Perhaps the most common misinterpretation of dogs is the myth that a dog wagging its tail is happy and friendly. While some wags are indeed associated with happiness, others can mean fear, insecurity, a social challenge or even a warning that if you approach, you are apt to be bitten.Dec 5, 2011
What a Wagging Dog Tail Really Means: New Scientific Data …
https://www.psychologytoday.com/…/what-wagging-dog-tail-really-means-new-scientifi…

Thanks-I feel better about all the shooting now.

It boggles my mind that if a cop kills someone that they’re not required to make a statement to the BCA. Also, when officer Noor fired from inside the car across his partners body his gun must have been within 18″ of his partners face. I have to assume that he just wanted to beat the sh!t out him for that.

nhamm wrote:

It didn’t burn eyeguy bc most people dont think they are better, smarter, and more informed than the next fellow, unlike yourself.

IMO and experiences jury decisions are still respected in the hood. That’s why it didn’t burn.

Out of curiosity eyeguy, where do you live? Assuming 507 is your area code?

What does it matter where I live? Unless you are setting me up for some smart comment. I live in the US so there. I am entitled to my opinion as anyone else living here. Watch the interviews of the jurors who were on the Yanez case and see for yourself how fkd up the legal system is. The law is the law, shoot first ask questions later.

eyeguy507 wrote:

The “if my mom was Justine Dammond” comment is a doozie…just WOW! Just goes to show people with that mindset are sitting on our jury’s. They found a startled copper who unloaded 7 rounds into a guy from 1 foot away not guilty. I am shocked the city didn’t burn after that one.

Other than the fact that this doesn’t belong in the dog shooting thread because they are unrelated.

But since you brought it up, did you watch the dash cam video? One viewing of that and it was clear to me that Yanez was innocent. Something happened in that car that made Yanez flip from calm and casual to a quick wrestling match that ended in Yanez drawing and firing while backing away. I completely agree with the jury and disagree that it should have ever gone to trial. The Mpls attorney should also be held accountable for publicly pursuing the case when he had none.

Furthermore, Gov Goofy should not be erecting any sort of official memorial of the thug that was shot.

Back to the dog shooting, it was tough to watch and it was stupid, but I don’t condemn the cop to much in that situation. The dog did have a mowhawk so he wasn’t being all friendly to the officer. Should the officer have done something different, certainly. Was he wrong, maybe but I’m not certain of that just from the video.

Kyhl wrote:

Furthermore, Gov Goofy should not be erecting any sort of official memorial of the thug that was shot.

You’re entitled to that opinion, but I’d love to hear your basis for labelling Castille a thug? The guy worked full-time in a cafeteria in a public school. The heinous crimes he was guilty of the day he was shot included driving with a broken tail light and possession of pot. Doesn’t exactly spell thug to me.

Kyhl wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>eyeguy507 wrote:</div>
The “if my mom was Justine Dammond” comment is a doozie…just WOW! Just goes to show people with that mindset are sitting on our jury’s. They found a startled copper who unloaded 7 rounds into a guy from 1 foot away not guilty. I am shocked the city didn’t burn after that one.

Other than the fact that this doesn’t belong in the dog shooting thread because they are unrelated.

But since you brought it up, did you watch the dash cam video? One viewing of that and it was clear to me that Yanez was innocent. Something happened in that car that made Yanez flip from calm and casual to a quick wrestling match that ended in Yanez drawing and firing while backing away. I completely agree with the jury and disagree that it should have ever gone to trial. The Mpls attorney should also be held accountable for publicly pursuing the case when he had none.

Furthermore, Gov Goofy should not be erecting any sort of official memorial of the thug that was shot.

Back to the dog shooting, it was tough to watch and it was stupid, but I don’t condemn the cop to much in that situation. The dog did have a mowhawk so he wasn’t being all friendly to the officer. Should the officer have done something different, certainly. Was he wrong, maybe but I’m not certain of that just from the video.

I did watch the dashcam video and the law backs up the officers actions. Unfortunately there was no bodycam to show if this “thug” was reaching for anything with intent to do harm to the officer. I find it hard to believe that a “thug” who intends to grease an officer, will announce he has a gun, and I’m pretty sure one shot from that close would have taken care of any threat.

anyone who does not understand…. “Don’t reach for it… don’t reach for it….” and then reaches for something, is soon a dead thug. Lessons all over this one here and nobody will learn a thing from it. Excuses and opinions, but the fact is, he is dead and the officer has to spend the rest of his days with that put on him. That’s the real shame.

eyeguy507 wrote:

and I’m pretty sure one shot from that close would have taken care of any threat.

If you are in fear for your life are you going to shoot once and wait to see if that one bullet works?
DT

Fishing was slow today. Picked up a few on a deep weedline trolling lindy rigs. All in all can’t complain

pool2fool wrote:

You’re entitled to that opinion, but I’d love to hear your basis for labelling Castille a thug?

I think the video corroborates Yannez’ story. That means Castille tried to pull out a gun, on a cop that was not being threatening or aggressive. In my book, that makes him a thug.