Pathetic

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2017/07/10/homeowner-slams-cop-for-shooting-tail-wagging-dog/amp/

Take that 7k out of his salary and tack on an additional 5k for the trouble! Fire your weapon in the air since you are terrified of a friendly pitbull(they do exist) or just back away slowly. Whats the worst that dog could do? Grown man vs a 60 pound dog….dam shame.

eyeguy507 wrote:

Fire your weapon in the air since you are terrified

Anyone who fires a round is responsible for where it lands. Warning shots are a bad idea, especially in a city. Not saying the officer took appropriate action, just that this one is not a good alternative.

Not good, paints a pretty nasty picture no one wants to see…I would like to say he was just doing his job, but the video plays out against that reaction. Thoughts and prayers to the pups family and to a certain extent, the officer.

Wow! Pathetic is a understatement! If he’s so scared of a dog wagging his tail that he needs to shoot at it I hate to see if a kid would of ran out the back door. Don’t get me wrong I’m PRO-POLICE BUT GEEZ!

Family gets a couple of good guard dogs because they probably reside in a rough neighborhood. They have what appears to be a fenced in yard. An officer doing his job jumps into the dog’s territory and frightened because it is a pitbull, he fires 2 rounds at the dogs. It ain’t easy being a cop but this better not just get swept under the rug. He is responsible for where those rounds ended up. After paying that family’s vet bills, he should work at the animal shelter to overcome his fears or find a new profession.

Wholly poop a dog wagging its tail at me.

Sounds terrible can’t imagine how upset the family is

eyeguy507 wrote:

Fire your weapon in the air since you are terrified of a friendly pitbull

I’ll echo what patk said. Safe and responsible use of firearms means you own that bullet until it stops. I’ve trained with many cops (I’m not one) and can’t speak for all of them but a lot of them, as well as armed private security and military, do not even have the word “warning shot” in their vocabulary.

My comments have nothing to do with the story itself, just wanted to hit on the mention of discharging a firearm.

Dan wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>eyeguy507 wrote:</div>
Fire your weapon in the air since you are terrified of a friendly pitbull

I’ll echo what patk said. Safe and responsible use of firearms means you own that bullet until it stops. I’ve trained with many cops (I’m not one) and can’t speak for all of them but a lot of them, as well as armed private security and military, do not even have the word “warning shot” in their vocabulary.

My comments have nothing to do with the story itself, just wanted to hit on the mention of discharging a firearm.

You would think after the St. Anthony incident, cops would be a little apprehensive with their trigger fingers. I guess what bothers me the most is he never even attempted to back up, just shot…wtf? Pretty sure he was not thinking where that bullet ends up after it left his firearm.

Pit or no pit, have any idea how many crappy dogs these officers encounter on a daily basis?

I’ve personally seen “good” family dogs in a second go apeshit and bite into my buddies arm, almost tear off another girl’s face, and rip apart another small dog. All separate incidents over Northside. Can’t imagine what these guys see.

Two big dogs coming at ya in an enclosed area, that’s extremely intimidating for an officer who’s probably had bad past experiences influencing his actions.

Yeah it looks like crap. Way better scenarios that should’ve happened you’d hope these guys trained for, but I won’t judge. Hope some better training comes out from this, pretty lucky dogs to survive.

I’m personally no fan of pits but this just seemed a little ridiculous to me. The mental and physical toughness of some officers is just not up to par. He could’ve easily slid back to the fence just like he did after he shot the dogs. It seems the first reaction is to pull the trigger.

Two years or so ago, City Paged ran an article about MPLS cops killing 40+ dogs in the previous year. (I believe the number was 46) Only reason this shooing makes the news is it was caught on camera. Sound familiar?

-J.

Solely based on what I saw on the video, this officer made a very poor decision. I’d not want him to be involved with any situation in my backyard.

Per the article they were service dogs for their special needs children. And the cops were there because one of their kids accidently set off the burglar alarm…

A couple of things. First, this guy immediately starts backing up. Anyone who’s owned a dog understands that dogs are curious and playful. Start running and they’ll follow you just because they think you are playing or they are wondering what you are up to. Had he just stood there and held out his hand, the dog would have sniffed him and wandered off.

The post office is in contact with dogs daily and don’t carry guns. They rarely get bitten and never shoot the little buggers. I know a bunch of cops. Used to go fishing with them on Lake Erie every summer. Every time I hear them called hero’s I just cringe. Most of these guys become cops because they like the pay and benefits and get off on pushing brown people around. It’s an ego trip to have a gun on your hip and they think of themselves as more macho than the rest of us. I stopped going because they were all so toxic that I had to keep on biting my lip the entire time.

Sure, not all cops are like this, but far more of them are. They lie to cover up for the other cops. I notice nobody remarked on how this cop lied. He claimed the dogs charged him. If the homeowner didn’t have video, it’s just the cops story and that’s all we ever need.

I say every time a cop is caught telling a lie on duty, they should be prosecuted, just like we would be if caught telling a lie during an investigation. Obstruction of justice at the very least and this cop with reckless endangerment, animal cruelty and falsifying a police report.

This won’t end until the police are held to the same standards as the rest of us and they should be holding better standards than that.

I’m not a police officer, but don’t they normally carry pepper spray ?

gordonk wrote:

The post office is in contact with dogs daily and don’t carry guns. They rarely get bitten and never shoot the little buggers. I know a bunch of cops. Used to go fishing with them on Lake Erie every summer. Every time I hear them called hero’s I just cringe. Most of these guys become cops because they like the pay and benefits and get off on pushing brown people around. It’s an ego trip to have a gun on your hip and they think of themselves as more macho than the rest of us. I stopped going because they were all so toxic that I had to keep on biting my lip the entire time.

Sure, not all cops are like this, but far more of them are. They lie to cover up for the other cops. I notice nobody remarked on how this cop lied. He claimed the dogs charged him. If the homeowner didn’t have video, it’s just the cops story and that’s all we ever need.

My cuz has worked for the PO sometime now, certainly has got bitten plenty of times.

Too bad about the group of cops you encountered, but to paint that broad of stroke on all is extremely unfair and quite frankly false.

As a homeowner wouldn’t you see this scenario happening? Alarm system AND dogs? If cops come what kind of things do you think might go down?

nhamm wrote:

As a homeowner wouldn’t you see this scenario happening? Alarm system AND dogs? If cops come what kind of things do you think might go down?

I have two dogs and a home security system — as I’m sure many on this forum do — and no, the thought has never crossed my mind that if the security system went off and cops came that my dogs would be in danger of being shot.

This isn’t complicated. This cop did the absolute wrong thing and he should be held fully accountable.

I disagree with most of what gordonk wrote but he’s correct on one point — Police should be held to the same standards as the rest of us. Otherwise it’s their world and we just live in it.

The alarm was also cancelled 4 minutes after it went off. That took a call in and so the police should of also had that noitificatioin. They were service dogs not guard dogs.

Did the office know they were service dogs? Do you know what kind of reaction the dogs gave the office prior to the camera footage? Is there audio that might reveal negative reactions from the dogs? Do we expect our officers to be canine experts as well? Is it a requirement for officers to have more of a respect for animals than their own safety?

Just questions, like I said it looks like crap but so did the Castile shooting and a jury of our peers said nope.

Pet owners should be responsible for their pets and their pets interactions with other people.

In this case, given the description in the article of police responding to a break in, the pet owners may not have felt safe going into their back yard to leash the pets. Regardless they chose to allow their pets to interact with an armed police officer un-leashed.

Maybe they weren’t even home and an alarm triggered the response. Owners aren’t off the hook imo.

The officer may have also responded and not allowed the owners to take care of their pets. The owners may or may not have made officer aware of said pets. Too many possibilities for me to care to assume anything.

Sucks, but responsibly of a pets livelihood isn’t much different than the responsibility of a small child. It is the parents/owners… Keep them on a short leash and keep harm away.

That officer will now get an unimaginable amount of press and for that I sympathetic for the position he was forced into due to the nature of his occupation.

He wanted to go home safe too, and to me that PERSON’s health is priority over a pet.

Public media will crush him worse than a terrible dog mauling.

Hoyt4 wrote:

The alarm was also cancelled 4 minutes after it went off. That took a call in and so the police should of also had that noitificatioin. They were service dogs not guard dogs.

Regarding the alarms, I can’t speak for law enforcement alarm response but in other experiences I know that training and policies teach you that an alarm that’s turned off or a call from someone that’s there doesn’t necessarily mean anything; the people could be under duress, meaning someone could have a gun to their head telling them to turn the alarm off and call the cops to tell them everything’s ok. In this case that would mean the officer would still need to respond with due diligence.

While I try to stay out of “pitchfork nation” responses, I did at least read the story and watch the video. You might want to try that first FishBlood because that is a lot of IFs that don’t fit the accounts as published.

My biggest issue is that the alarm was cancelled 20 minutes before the police arrived. Someone should have told them ahead of their arrival that the alarm was accidentally tripped so they should check it out without having their guard maxed to eleven.

Pretty sure I read somewhere he said the reason he fired was because the dog charged him….comon man! Then he found out there was surveillance footage and now it’s hush hush. No matter how you look at it, he is at fault and thankfully there was a camera or both those innocent dogs would be getting euthanized because it’s a cop’s story and it was a pit. If those were poodles this would not be a story.

http://m.startribune.com/money-pouring-in-for-vet-bills-for-2-dogs-shot-by-police-in-n-mpls-yard/433637483/

I guess the police are stepping up but probably only to cover their ace. On top of that filing a false police report. This guy will be lucky to keep his job and hopefully justice will be served. You don’t just go around shooting dogs because you are scared. Bodycam footage will be released soon.

Kyhl wrote:

While I try to stay out of “pitchfork nation” responses, I did at least read the story and watch the video. You might want to try that first FishBlood because that is a lot of IFs that don’t fit the accounts as published.

Lol. I read the first two posts. Clicked link and watched video but didn’t read article… I could’ve/should’ve stopped after reading the first two posts and then click Today’s Topics and find a mille lacs topic.

I suppose I just didn’t feel compelled to read the article from press because those people say things like “boat decontaminate will prevent asain carp spread” and figured it was first release and all heresy anyway.

I should probably just stay out of any news related topic period. I haven’t watched a news channel in two years!
Iran what!?!
Shooting huh!?!

Where’s the bite?

Did I miss the thread where everyone criticized the cop who shot a concealed carry guy for supposedly reaching for his gun? There was a video of that, too.

eyeguy507 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dan wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>eyeguy507 wrote:</div>
Fire your weapon in the air since you are terrified of a friendly pitbull

I’ll echo what patk said. Safe and responsible use of firearms means you own that bullet until it stops. I’ve trained with many cops (I’m not one) and can’t speak for all of them but a lot of them, as well as armed private security and military, do not even have the word “warning shot” in their vocabulary.

My comments have nothing to do with the story itself, just wanted to hit on the mention of discharging a firearm.

You would think after the St. Anthony incident, cops would be a little apprehensive with their trigger fingers. I guess what bothers me the most is he never even attempted to back up, just shot…wtf? Pretty sure he was not thinking where that bullet ends up after it left his firearm.

How in the heck do you get to that conclusion? All you see is the officer back up. At 5 seconds in the officer is off frame and when he shoots he is halfway up the frame.

nhamm wrote:

Pit or no pit, have any idea how many crappy dogs these officers encounter on a daily basis?

I’ve personally seen “good” family dogs in a second go apeshit and bite into my buddies arm, almost tear off another girl’s face, and rip apart another small dog. All separate incidents over Northside. Can’t imagine what these guys see.

Two big dogs coming at ya in an enclosed area, that’s extremely intimidating for an officer who’s probably had bad past experiences influencing his actions.

Yeah it looks like crap. Way better scenarios that should’ve happened you’d hope these guys trained for, but I won’t judge. Hope some better training comes out from this, pretty lucky dogs to survive.

Having been a police officer and still working in a field which requires physical intervention I tell everyone that use of force always looks like crap. Violence is not pretty. It’s not like the movies and is hardly ever smooth.