Orange man bad. Billionaires bad. Who was that guy that said “We’re not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that’s fairly earned. I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money, but you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you’re providing a good product or you’re providing a good service.”
I live in Duluth. I love Duluth and care greatly for the wellbeing of the city. Duluth has been hurting for housing stock for a long time and the problem has only been getting worse. Kathy Cargill has single handedly wiped out ~2% of the entire housing stock of Park Point in under a year, with likely more to come. That concerns me along with the fact she’s doing everything she can to keep this hush hush (red flag) and if that makes me a triggered socialist, so be it. I’ve been called worse.
No home builders up there? Sounds like someone could make a bundle replenishing the shortfall of homes.
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Yeah I’m guessing the people making triple the money on their house they sold to the evil orange lady aren’t moving into an apartment…
It’s more likely they are building their new dream home. The housing gain/loss ratio would be 1:1 and null at that point.
On top of that, their new home build would employ people. Not just those physically building it, but those that manufacturer anything related to it as well (ex. factories that make everything from door knobs to kitchen sinks and a thousand other things it takes to build a new house).
I’m failing to see the sky falling with any of this??
If my prediction is right, the new condos-or-rentals-or-mansions that are going to be built on Park Point will create A LOT of work/jobs too.
If they’re bigger commercial projects, there’s no doubt my employer will be bidding work on them (which would put food on my table) 
If it weren’t for trickle down economics we’d all be living in tar paper shacks, sitting around throwing sticks and dirt at each other for something to do (which is still pretty common in a lot of the world)
Gitchi a lot of the country has been hurting for housing supply. It all stems back to the 2008 crash that brought new home construction to a screeching halt for a long period and housing still hasn’t caught up with population growth since then. It isn’t unique to Duluth. I don’t think tearing down 20 houses is going to be noticeable and like Bman said they are probably taking the profits and building elsewhere.
Rich folks buying properties on the point and tearing them down to build mansions is nothing new. I believe the guy with the obscenely large flag took out three houses to build that shack. I got a great story about that guy but not appropriate for the forum. There are other examples but the cargill one is definitely next level.
Rich people love to build huge places on water. Been that way forever and places along oceans, lake and rivers have been getting demolished to make way for bigger and better for decades. Sucks to see it happen to park point but it’s the way of the world and not surprising.
How many houses did they tear down for the essentia expansion?
Personally I think government should stay out of peoples business as much as possible. I like the new mayor (hell of an improvement from the last one) but I don’t think he should have stuck his nose in to this and made it public the way he did.
Now if his realtor is pulling strings with the city council to get her favors for permits that is a different story. Is there any meat to that or is it just speculation?
What is the current building restrictions on the point? Set backs etc? Height restrictions? Unfortunately this is stuff that happens when cities and small towns face when they take there councils and town boards for granted, seen it happen before, city folk move in and start getting on town boards etc and wanna start making changes that benefit them.
It’s just wild how people are so quick to shamelessly defend billionaires while in the same breath bashing politicians for being rich and corrupt. The orange man has totally fried your brains. You do understand that people don’t aspire to become billionaires to live a lavish lifestyle right? It’s about power. Money in this country is nothing but power coupons. Corporations and super pacs own the majority of lawmakers in DC and apparently it’s perfectly fine to own SCOTUS too.
Politicians are rich and corrupt because you people keep defending this behavior.
Labor cost too much? Well, let’s throw out those child labor laws and stifle minimum wage increases. How else do you keep the work force poor and powerless? Is your workforce retiring? Let’s cut entitlements, raise retirement age. Hell, why not end social security altogether. Apparently not having an item that costs a dollar on the MacDonalds dollar menu is a step too far for some of you.
If she were doing this to benefit the environment or anything other than herself, she would be making that crystal clear to the public. She is not.
Don’t worry though. Those billions will trickle down any day now. Any day now… Just like the orange man’s tax returns, or his healthcare bill, or that wall, or the evidence of voter fraud.
Congrats, didn’t take you long at all to equate people breathing to something Trump caused.
I suggest as a personal protest you quit eating or using any Cargill products. That’ll fix ’em.
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Yikes Gill, pump the brakes??!!
You cool with people using their power and wealth to restrict others first amendment rights too? That’s cool I guess
You alluded to this a couple times, without anything to substantiate it. And I’m not sure you understand the first amendment if you think a wealthy ag heiress can infringe upon it. So I’ll need some info showing she intends to limit peoples free speech, and how she plans to do it?
Kathy Cargill has single handedly wiped out ~2% of the entire housing stock of Park Point in under a year, with likely more to come.
Yes, those poor Park Point residents will now need to retreat to their home up the hill, or cabin on Vermillion or further up the North Shore…If you actually cared about the housing stock in Duluth, you would have been advocating to the city council on their draconian restrictions limiting growth, or running for city council yourself. Of course that may result in people putting on tin foil hats and going online to blame your loose connection to ______ or James Holst and IDO for some nefarious intentions to come! Kinda like you did that real estate agent…
And again nothing in these comments are simping or protecting a billionaire or whatever Biggill is on about this time (although I’m with you on eliminating SS, where do we sign up!?!?! 
), just simply stating we need some evidence Kathy Cargill is getting preferential treatment from the City/State/Feds on her Park Point purchases before getting the pitchforks out.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FinnyDinDin wrote:</div>
IDO » Forums » Fishing Forums » General Discussion Forum » Park PointYikes Gill, pump the brakes??!!
Yep, has surely gone past the point of a objective opinion. Send out the doll!
What did I miss? LOL
based on an article on Bring Me the News…….sounds like Cargill told Duluth to go pack sand. 
sounds as though she wanted to clean it up, build a coffee shop, sports complex and homes for her family.
said the Duluth mayor peed in his cheerios!!!!! 
Isn’t the saying, ‘who pissed in your Cheerios?’
Her statements came off pretty childish. Calling your soon to be neighbors small minded isn’t a great start.
Her statements just leave more questions.
I still think the mayor approached this wrong. He got caught up in the rumor mill.
Aww man and now her realtor has to spend what 2-4 years on the city council? And for what?!? 
Although I think she could have handled the whole issue a little better, She did not owe the mayor or the people of Duluth any answers to what her plans were for the area. She purchased the land legally and thus owed no one a answer. Like many Rich people and big business’s, if a town does not want their $ I’m sure they will find one that does. At this point I think both sides are happy with the outcome. The city council and People are happy and so is she.
This is/was a poor attempt at making a situation dramatic. As I mentioned in a previous post, the family is likely buying up property to build their own mansions and maybe decrease the population density a bit nearest their properties. I’m sure there are plenty of people on the point who won’t sell and will remain relatively undisturbed once some of the construction projects are complete.
To summarize months of pointless drama:
1. Wealthy person who married into money buys up properties.
2. City gets suspicious and paranoid despite them having laws, building codes, and public access on their side.
3. Wealthy lady finally speaks out and butchers a popular idiom about Cheerios.
4. Wealthy lady likely continues with her projects building private mansions for her family.
“Cargill, who told the paper she’s getting calls from people who wish to sell their homes, revealed, “We’re going to make it even more private than it is, and we’re still going to go enjoy it. Those people aren’t running me out. They can posture themselves all they want, but I’m not going anywhere.”
For a nice lady that only wants to beautify a neighborhood, she talks like an arrogant mean lady that will do whatever they want and then pay the lawyers later. And if there’s one thing I know about cheerios, if you leave em on the porch the coons’ll get to em before long.
I don’t get it, what is so wrong with what she is doing? Due to it’s location there will never be affordable housing on Park Point. This will have no effect on any housing shortage.
I’d like to get a place on Vermilion some day. Should I be mad at the Dayton’s for putting a HUGE tract of prime lakeshore into trust so now nobody has a chance to ever own it?
I don’t know 3rivers are you the litigous type? Cuz the Dayton’s are so when you got to hunt your private land, but a 10 foot high fence has been erected stopping the travel of game from his property to yours, you can assume that your lawsuit will cost you 10’s of thousands and will probably fail. Same thing here, the rich can afford to beg forgiveness instead of asking permission. The public land was/is what’s at risk, not the lack of housing. She didn’t try this on Minnetonka, not because of the location, but because her neighbors are already lawyered up.
Hell, why not end social security altogether.
This would honestly be the happiest day of my life if that would happen. Talk about the biggest scam and worst investment in history
The public land was/is what’s at risk, not the lack of housing.
Please explain how the public land was/is at risk.
Do you think this billionaire was going to have her attorney’s take land from the City of Duluth along the beech?
That comment from the mayor was totally unnecessary and just showed he got caught up in the rumor mill.
I don’t know 3rivers are you the litigous type? Cuz the Dayton’s are so when you got to hunt your private land, but a 10 foot high fence has been erected stopping the travel of game from his property to yours, you can assume that your lawsuit will cost you 10’s of thousands and will probably fail. Same thing here, the rich can afford to beg forgiveness instead of asking permission. The public land was/is what’s at risk, not the lack of housing. She didn’t try this on Minnetonka, not because of the location, but because her neighbors are already lawyered up.
They already have the biggest house and point on Tonka. We were just there.
Sodasopa..you know if you know… 
I live up here although not in Duluth. I never got the appeal for Park Point other than the beach. It’s been a few years but I would go there to ice fish in the bay. We would usually go out by the rowing club. The ice is always sketchy out there and lots of current so I found other places to go. I don’t know why anyone would want to live out there truthfully. You got the lift bridge that causes traffic back ups and once you’re across you have a sea of tourists to drive through. The wind off the lake in winter is absolutely brutal.
From what I remember there were some pretty dumpy houses out there at one time. As long as what Cargill is doing is not illegal or she is getting some privledge others would not let her have at it. Leave the poor lady alone she sends me a nice pension check every month! 
the more i read about this the more i think she is a snobby old lady that could of handled it better…..the mayor too for that matter.
if all of a sudden houses where getting torn down on my block or the block over or next block.i sure as hello would like to know whats going on if some fat cat rich person was doing it. even i would think long and hard iffin someone came up to me and offered double what my house was worth????
wouldnt it be appropriate for this Cargill to approach the city first with her intentions and work with the city?????
wouldnt it be appropriate for this Cargill to approach the city first with her intentions and work with the city?????
When you and others buy land legally and want to build a house or anything else on the land, Do you or they approach the city first to discuss your intentions ? If not, why should she ?
I also don’t think you would think to long or to hard if someone offered you 2X what your house was worth. Only about long enough to ask where you need to sign. 
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>glenn57 wrote:</div>
wouldnt it be appropriate for this Cargill to approach the city first with her intentions and work with the city?????When you and others buy land legally and want to build a house or anything else on the land, Do you or they approach the city first to discuss your intentions ? If not, why should she ?
It’s almost like there’s a difference between residential and commercial real estate
Thumper. . Me buying land to build is a whole nother ballgame then me buying up 20 places, paying double what there worth and tearing them down.
And if someone did approach me, yes I’d tell them. Heck I’m going to have a new cement driveway put in this spring and I’ll be asking the city if I need a permit.
t’s almost like there’s a difference between residential and commercial real estate
And we’ve come full circle . As far as I’m aware everything she bought was residential, and therefore would need to stay residential and be subject to residential codes. And until any of those change, just for her, there’s nothing to get worked up about. Even if she fulfills every stereotype of a disconnected egomaniacal married into billionaire status Real Housewife.
That would be awesome if someone came in an bought out my development and only left my house standing. 
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