Panoptix/livescope

  • Gilgetter
    Posts: 269
    #2001183

    Sorry for the long post here, I have ben thinking the last few days while drilling lots of holes and “Fishing”.

    Panoptix/ Livescope along with the Humminbird 360 are all the rage these days.

    I have fished with a couple friends that have Panoptix and they are pretty cool to play with for a while.

    My initial reaction was obviously to be like the cool/wealthy/$ponsored kids and grab one up.

    There are obviously downsides to these units as well.

    They seem heavy and awkward to me, fishing with the down imaging transducer in mid winter you are pulling out a 4 foot rod along with your transducer every fish. I thought it got old quick.

    When I first looked at specs people were saying they were around 10lbs which doesn’t sound bad until you realize a traditional flasher is like 2lbs or less.

    Both people I know that have them still carry a flasher as well.

    They save drilling for sure. They definitely assist with finding fish quicker. Locating fish faster obviously makes it more likely one will find active fish during the day.

    I have defended the premise that fancy equipment can not replace fishing experience and I still believe that not everyone who buys these units will learn how to use them to their full potential.

    I am at the higher end of the Millennial group. I hear all the time how the older cadre can’t stand these young entitled people and what they are doing to our society.

    I feel torn at times, catching fish is fun…so is the challenge of finding fish the “old fashioned way”.

    I learned to fish from my dad and grandpa. When I was coming up, we used jiggle sticks and hand over hand. When I advanced I was rocking high quality HT stuff from Walmart with two guides on a 24″ rod.

    My Pops and Gramps didn’t use flashers and they fished the same spots they always had and we always caught plenty of fish. They had outdoor skills like only old guys have. They didn’t have you tube, forums or TV to teach them. Their dads and grandpas passed down knowledge.

    I will admit that at times they were not always setting a great example about being a steward of the land, they weren’t practicing selective harvest and we ate a lot of fish.

    Many firearms deer hunters switched to bow hunting because shooting deer with guns was too easy and needed to be more of a challenge.

    Now the crowd with fishing seems to have switched gears to fishing is too hard let’s keep making it easier. Fishing has become boring if it doesn’t involve catching.

    This is all hypocrisy since I use custom rods, an electric auger, a GPS and flasher, I have sonar,GPS and side imaging on my boat.

    At times I am torn. I have obviously advanced with the sport.

    When I take my kids fishing we don’t use electronics and we bobber fish stunted panfish.

    I love the outdoors and I hope they come to love it too.

    I sometimes wonder what kind of example we are setting for youngsters.

    They watch TV and that sets the expectation. All the emphasis is on catching and less and less on the process and learning that should come along with fishing.

    For years we have have heard about recruiting new anglers and outdoors folks.

    I’m not sure that our natural resources can support the pressure if we continue in the direction we are headed.

    On the most recent episode of IDO, James said that with the Humminbird 360 the fish can run but they can’t hide.

    Think about that statement for a second.

    I hope we don’t find ourselves in a place a decade down the road with a dried up resource telling our kids how good it used to be.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17929
    #2001188

    I think the newer technology will force changes to limits for sure. Electronics is one piece of the puzzle though…you can kind of say the same thing about todays 22’ fiberglass boats with 350hp motors that can carry 6 fisherman from one side of the lake to the other in minutes vs the 14’ aluminum boat with a 9hp motor of the past that carried 3 people and took forever to get from point a to b, or a 25’ pontoon boat with 300 hp motor that can take 12 people out to fish at once or todays modern ice fish houses or thermal portables vs sitting outside exposed on a bucket many years ago..

    Everything adapts but I do think we’re getting to a possible tipping point where something has to change and I think reducing fish limits is where it will probably go…

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10472
    #2001189

    I can only speak for myself. I am a recent livescope owner and I hope I catch more fish with it, but I truly believe I will not keep anymore fish than I do now. Besides I like cheeseburgers, there easier to cook and there’s not as much to clean-up afterwards.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10472
    #2001191

    Everything adapts but I do think we’re getting to a possible tipping point where something has to change and I think reducing fish limits is where it will probably go…
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    I have no problem with that at all and if limits are reduced just think how good the fishing would be.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17929
    #2001194

    I can only speak for myself. I am a recent livescope owner and I hope I catch more fish with it, but I truly believe I will not keep anymore fish than I do now. Besides I like cheeseburgers, there easier to cook and there’s not as much to clean-up afterwards.

    same here, i get the conservation license every year as I rarely ever keep anything I catch. I think the responsibility will fall on the shoulders of us fisherman to not abuse the resource, there will always be bad apples (guys who stock their freezers full) but I think/hope those folks are small in numbers. Make the fines for getting caught so large to discourage the bad apples and hire some more wardens to actually enforce them. I’ve been fishing for 30+ years and can count on 1 hand how many times i’ve been checked..

    Gilgetter
    Posts: 269
    #2001196

    I can only speak for myself. I am a recent livescope owner and I hope I catch more fish with it, but I truly believe I will not keep anymore fish than I do now. Besides I like cheeseburgers, there easier to cook and there’s not as much to clean-up afterwards.

    Like most things in life there is no simple answer. The majority of sportsman are ethical and aren’t going to keep more than a limit of fish.

    One other factor I think about is hooking mortality. Simple fact is some fish die even when we try our best to safely release them.

    I see it a lot in one lake I fish. The community crappie spot in midwinter is in the 45 foot basin.
    Lots of guys throw back smaller fish. Common sense dictates that if they keep a limit and throw back as many small ones many of those pulled from that depth don’t survive.
    So in one outing an angler could possibly remove two limits or more of fish from a body of water.

    Gilgetter
    Posts: 269
    #2001197

    Everything adapts but I do think we’re getting to a possible tipping point where something has to change and I think reducing fish limits is where it will probably go…

    I have no problem with that at all and if limits are reduced just think how good the fishing would be.
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    I agree I don’t eat a lot of fish. I keep a few fish a year. I make tacos so a fish or two feeds the whole family.
    If one is only in it to eat fish you can buy a lot of fish for the price of that Livescope.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10472
    #2001202

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Eelpoutguy wrote:</div>
    I can only speak for myself. I am a recent livescope owner and I hope I catch more fish with it, but I truly believe I will not keep anymore fish than I do now. Besides I like cheeseburgers, there easier to cook and there’s not as much to clean-up afterwards.

    Like most things in life there is no simple answer. The majority of sportsman are ethical and aren’t going to keep more than a limit of fish.

    One other factor I think about is hooking mortality. Simple fact is some fish die even when we try our best to safely release them.

    I see it a lot in one lake I fish. The community crappie spot in midwinter is in the 45 foot basin.
    Lots of guys throw back smaller fish. Common sense dictates that if they keep a limit and throw back as many small ones many of those pulled from that depth don’t survive.
    So in one outing an angler could possibly remove two limits or more of fish from a body of water.

    For me, I keep all crappies from deep water. I have been out when they were absolutely on fire and only fished for 15 minutes.
    That’s the way the cookie crumbles at least the way it crumbles for me. If I know I have a shot at a big guy I will switch to a bigger bait at #9 just so I can stay out longer.

    Gilgetter
    Posts: 269
    #2001204

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Eelpoutguy wrote:</div>
    I can only speak for myself. I am a recent livescope owner and I hope I catch more fish with it, but I truly believe I will not keep anymore fish than I do now. Besides I like cheeseburgers, there easier to cook and there’s not as much to clean-up afterwards.

    same here, i get the conservation license every year as I rarely ever keep anything I catch. I think the responsibility will fall on the shoulders of us fisherman to not abuse the resource, there will always be bad apples (guys who stock their freezers full) but I think/hope those folks are small in numbers. Make the fines for getting caught so large to discourage the bad apples and hire some more wardens to actually enforce them. I’ve been fishing for 30+ years and can count on 1 hand how many times i’ve been checked..

    I couldn’t agree more I spend a lot of time on the water and afield and have only been checked once. Our DNR in MN is very under staffed. I also don’t think local prosecutors care or have the resources to pursue criminal cases involving recreation violations.

    Gary
    Posts: 62
    #2001249

    If you buy a livescope you’ll quickly realize it’s not magic for ice fishing anyway. I believe that 10% of the fishermen catch 90% of the fish. I’m nowhere near that 10%. I do think this technology will elevate those 10% to a different level.

    As a dad I’ve found it to be magic only in keeping my kids interested and engaged on the ice. It’s worth the price just for that—-outdoor time with my kids.

    You’ll find a school of crappie and have a buddy walk 70 feet in that direction and drill a hole. You can see the downward plume when the auger punched through right on top of them then watch the whole school break up and disappear.

    Find walleye in 20 or less then drill over them and see what happens. Live scope has taught me how much fish spook especially in early ice.

    It’s also taught me how much walleye actually roam around and how curious they are. They move around constantly…and when they don’t wanna bite livescope can’t do thing for you. I’ve watched 15 fish come in one evening and didn’t catch a single one.

    I do however think it’s the best educational tool you can buy. I can’t tell you how many fish have come into set lines, sniffed the minnow then swam away. I’m doing something wrong and need to change.

    I’ve learned how I scare walleye away with ripping raps and putting on a slab rap makes all the difference.

    I’ve learned to watch how the fish react to what I’m doing and change lures till you find what draws them close for a look. And when you find a lure and presentation they like watch them charge in and smash it.

    Livscope helped me to find a transition areas where walleye move up on a piece of structure to actively feed and understand what they are doing better. It took me 3 different trips to find this spot. I have friends that are easily in the top 10% and they asked how I was doing. I never ask them for their spots.

    I told both of them where I was fishing and they both circled 2 spots on the this big piece of structure. One was an area that I see others fishing when I go out and the second was the spot I found. They taught me why those spots were important and how to find similar spots on the lake using maps.

    I can’t spend 100 days on the water to learn and gain experience. I just think livescope in invaluable in speeding up your learning curve.

    canoebasser
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 212
    #2001293

    Livescope is just another tool to use for fishing. I usually drill an extra hole next to my livescope transducer hole once I’m on top of fish. Then drill 3-4 holes so everyone can see their lines on the livescope downview. I love using mine so does my kids. More importantly is the time spent with them outdoors whether catching or not, that’s what fishing is really about to me.

    Social media is and will be the main driver for depleting our natural resources i.e. the “Catch and Eat”, bragging pictures/videos, fishing info/tech videos, fishing across state lines/different habitats.

    Bluegill89
    Posts: 138
    #2001310

    -Social Media

    -Technology

    -People who keep everything they catch/keep to big of fish IMHO

    Hopefully the lakes can handle all of this over the upcoming years…

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