Packers Offseason

The new front office in GB is making some splashes this offseason. Trading their best CB, Damarious Randall, in a weak defensive backfield for a backup QB Deshone Kizer from CLE seems curious. Kizer isn’t much of an upgrade over Hundley imo, and that secondary needs all the help it can get. They also cut Jordy Nelson today. And are rumored to be picking up Jimmy Graham. On top of all of this they have Rodgers next contract looming, which should blow the already crazy QB contracts out of the water. While my Vikes have been getting all the headlines from the NFC championship game and Cousins signing, there are a lot of questions on the wrong side of the river!

Sports front offices are like government, they can really screw things up through either their actions or lack there of.

Ah…maybe you should get your facts straight so you dont sound like like a sausage grinding troll

BigWerm wrote:

The new front office in GB is making some splashes this offseason. Trading their best CB, Damarious Randall, in a weak defensive backfield for a backup QB Deshone Kizer from CLE seems curious. Kizer isn’t much of an upgrade over Hundley imo, and that secondary needs all the help it can get. They also cut Jordy Nelson today. And are rumored to be picking up Jimmy Graham. On top of all of this they have Rodgers next contract looming, which should blow the already crazy QB contracts out of the water. While my Vikes have been getting all the headlines from the NFC championship game and Cousins signing, there are a lot of questions on the wrong side of the river!

He was a locker room problem and reports were that the Packers nearly released him mid-season last year. Kizer isn’t worth much, but anything thrown in for a player willing to be cut is a bonus.

I also would not be shocked to see Jordy Nelson back on some lesser contract. After testing free agency it will be made known that the market for a 32 year old WR coming off an injury who has played with a HOF QB his entire career is shaky at best.

Next Logical Move: Let Clay Matthews know he will be offered a restructured deal to move to ILB, or cut him also.

bigpike wrote:

maybe you should get your facts straight

Straighten em out BigPike I’m all ears!

Comparing Randal as our best cb would be like calling cousins the best qb in the division. He’s not even the 2nd best qb in the division that would be Stafford. But he is the highest paid so you got that working for you. Cleveland thinks so highly of Randal as a Cb there turning him into a safety. Plus he is a malcontent as previously stated. I love teams that win free agency. It rarely if ever works out for the team in wins and losses but the player gets rich.

It sure does seem like a lot of questions on the east side.. Wow,, team appears to be in complete shambles and it’s only March. Ouch.

So who are these better CBs the Packers have hidden away?

It’s a really strange move to give up a solid CB(especially the 2nd half of the year) with a cap hit of $2MM. Now they have to go sign a vet for 3-4x that cost or develop a young CB(LOL they are awesome at that) or hope to hit in the draft. CBs normally take a few years to develop as well, which makes this even more of a head scratcher.

I don’t know how much stock you put in a place like bleacherreport, but this is how the GB secondary fared on their NFL CB rankings. I added the Vikings players in there too just for good measure :).
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754252-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-outside-cornerbacks-of-2017-season

Cornerback:
55. Damarious Randal
56. Davon House
57. Kevin King
16. Trae Waynes(Vikings)
7. Xavier Rhodes(Vikings)

Free Safety:
45. Kentrell Brice
14. Ha-ha Clinton Dix
5. Sendejo (Vikings)

Strong Safety
47. Josh Jones
22. Morgan Burnett
1. Harrison Smith(Vikings)

That sure is a secondary you got there, definitely got the pieces to just get rid of a productive, young, cost-controlled player! A player whom BR rated as the Packers best CB of 2017.

bigpike wrote:

Comparing Randal as our best cb would be like calling cousins the best qb in the division.

Well he was a 1st round pick who led Packers CB’s in tackles and INT’s, so if Cousins leads the NFC north in yards and TD’s this year I’d call him the best QB…

bigpike wrote:

But he is the highest paid so you got that working for you.

Cousins will only be the highest paid until A Rodg signs his next deal, any guess on how much that will be?

Not even the first day of free agency and the Vikings have won everything this off season and more just ask them . Stat guys, troll guys, smack guys. Enjoy it fellas….the purple head is bloating back up after the great showing in the championship game. Maybe you guys need more than a shiny new over priced qb….

Yep 86 mil guaranteed for a guy that’s never won a playoff game when keenum had a great season and is much cheaper??? Sounds about right. Green bay signed Jimmy Graham so that’s a start but there is no one in the secondary. They won’t be a top defense this year unless they have a draft like the saints did last year. Remember it took a “Miracle” to beat the saints after giving up a 17 point lead. Just sayin.

I think the land of cheese is angry… can’t we all just get along!

There’s just so much anger in your comments BigPike, you’re just fueling the troll guys and smack guys as you call them. It’s a game and win or lose it effects none of us directly. If it’s not fun what’s the point? Carry on.

@bigpike why so salty? I didn’t read anything too crazy into werm’s post and I’m a diehard GB fan. No need to get so defensive.

Randall IS a headcase; but he was still our best cb over the course of the season. I was fine with moving on from a guy that left the stadium in the middle of the game after a sideline fight with coaches. I don’t like what we got in return but I understand the need to unload him.

Our secondary IS a disaster. Period. I’m glad the Dom Capers scheme is gone but they still need to add talent back there.

I am holding out hope that Jordy will be re-signed at a lower price. He has taken a big step backward in terms of speed and the ability to separate and he simply was not worth his contract anymore. he’s still a serviceable wr2/3 but not for that price.

GB basically didn’t have enough $ to extend Rodgers AND play in FA, without making a move like they did with Nelson. I personally think Cobb could be in danger too, we’ll see.

Graham could be a huge addition if he can get back to form. Was never great in Seattle so we’ll see. Two years in a row now they’ve tried to get Rodgers a solid TE in free agency. Hopefully second time works out better than the first.

kabefisherman11 wrote:

Yep 86 mil guaranteed for a guy that’s never won a playoff game when keenum had a great season and is much cheaper??? Sounds about right. Green bay signed Jimmy Graham so that’s a start but there is no one in the secondary. They won’t be a top defense this year unless they have a draft like the saints did last year. Remember it took a “Miracle” to beat the saints after giving up a 17 point lead. Just sayin.

Case was a career journeyman who benefited from a system predicated on short throws and a solid running game, and used it to his advantage. He earned his $ and I will be sad to see him go but I understand why. Kirk has it all and is in the prime of his career. As Brent said…..”the pieces are in place” That miracle was awesome as it came in a meaningful game. You sconnie fans should be used to those “miracle” heaves by arodge that “miraculously” connected what……3 times or so in the last few years?

Demarious Randle was so terrible. He was the best CB on the team by default, making him extremely replaceable (especially before FA period and the draft). Coaching staff and fellow players did not support him AND there was absolutely no chance they resigned him after next years season anyway. Pack gave up 1 more below average year of Randall for a new backup QB, who cant be any worse than Hundley, and moved up 13 picks in the 4th and 5th rounds. Saved a little money too. Not terrible in my book!

Very skeptical on how Graham will work for the packers, but Rodgers has never really had a real good tight end. Should help them turn a lot more drives into 6 instead of just 3 like theyve been settling for a bit too often in recent years. Money is still tight, so I wouldnt mind seeing them cut Cobb too if it means they get a lockdown corner in Trumaine Johnson.

count me as a fan of the moves so far. The jordy move was coming, sooner than later. Winning pedigrees get rid of players, sometimes a year too early but rarely late (see NE). if cobb goes, montgomery will fill that void for 1/10 his salary. Kizer is way better insurance than hundley and randall was likely on his way out. They will likely get a CB in FA, maybe not a top flight guy but a solid vet and then get another in the draft. Still hoping to land some D help with FA, we’ll see.

Someone said the pack are in shambles, funny coming from an organization who had 3 “starting” qb’s on their team last year and are willing to spend $84 million for the 3rd best qb in the nfc north. Graham…mic drop

… and just like that Trumaine Johnson agrees to a deal with the Jets. Top 3 CBs already off the board. Not great, GB, not great.

Could someone with more Packer knowledge explain the Nelson thing to me? I always thought he was a stud. Could this be a thing where he’s released but comes back for less money?

The Graham signing is pretty good IMO. If I remember right Jordy used to get a bunch of red zone targets so Graham seems to fill that void well. He never caught much for yardage in Seattle but he’s a top of the league tight end in the red zone.

Well I guess us packer fans will let the purple fans solve all the worlds problems and start all the packer threads I guess. Still living high on that blowout loss in the championship.

Someone said the pack are in shambles, funny coming from an organization who had 3 “starting” qb’s on their team last year and are willing to spend $84 million for the 3rd best qb in the nfc north. Graham…mic drop
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3 starting qb’s is a pretty good problem to have last I checked. Hundley filled in perfect when arodge walked into a Barr. its laughable to suggest Stafford is better than Cousins or that Graham is anything but a shell of his former self so you better pick up that mic buddy.

Dan wrote:

Could someone with more Packer knowledge explain the Nelson thing to me? I always thought he was a stud. Could this be a thing where he’s released but comes back for less money?

The Graham signing is pretty good IMO. If I remember right Jordy used to get a bunch of red zone targets so Graham seems to fill that void well. He never caught much for yardage in Seattle but he’s a top of the league tight end in the red zone.

Jordy WAS a legit stud before the torn ACL in the 2015 preseason. I thought he came back strong in ‘16 and think he might have even won comeback player of the year that season. Last year he looked pedestrian at best. Could’ve been all about Hundley, time will tell. Hundley was a guy that defenses knew wouldn’t make it too far past his first read so maybe they were playing Jordy differently with that in mind? I dunno, at some point last year I thought Adams became the clear #1 and Jordy seemed to get a lot of single coverage that he still couldn’t beat. It’s tough to see him go, a true professional in every sense of the word.

Packers won’t get the top corners. They’re getting 15 million a year deals. Cousins 26-30-1 as a starter. That deal is a little more than 3 million a win. Matt Flynn anyone??

3 starting qb’s is a pretty good problem to have last I checked. Hundley filled in perfect when arodge walked into a Barr. its laughable to suggest Stafford is better than Cousins or that Graham is anything but a shell of his former self so you better pick up that mic buddy.
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starters was in quotes for a reason. Stafford is better, whats to laugh about. We’ll see about graham, I remember this WR named jennings that the purple overpaid for who became very average when he left a-rodg.

just saw they signed big Mo Wilkerson as well. Clark, Daniels and Wilkerson on that d line – that’s a nice get. Packers got better today, love it!!

I feel like the pack is in a holding pattern with the receiving core. They have (even without Jordy) a good amount of talent. Problem is that they all do their best in the same space. Without someone who is a legit threat over the top Rodgers is going to be throwing into a traffic jam every time he doesn’t check down. Either start stretching out defenses with Davis or Janis with more playing time or cut them and get a dynamic player in that can.

kabefisherman11 wrote:

Packers won’t get the top corners. They’re getting 15 million a year deals. Cousins 26-30-1 as a starter. That deal is a little more than 3 million a win. Matt Flynn anyone??

seems like you are signing his checks by all your posts. Case you haven’t heard, this is a team game and Kirk is in the prime of his career so he gets paid what the market dictates. Is he better than Case…..ummmm if you cant see that then put down the old swill for 3 hours on sunday. Trent Dilfer went 7-1 with the 2000 Ravens…..whats your point? The kings of the north $ guy Rob Brezinski has done an awesome job structuring the cap space so we can absorb Kirk’s front loaded deal. It may not win a superbowl but it will be fun watching the peckers try and keep their head above the bears for the foreseeable future. Oh and good luck shedding salary…..Arodge needs to get PAID!

Pete S wrote:

just saw they signed big Mo Wilkerson as well. Clark, Daniels and Wilkerson on that d line – that’s a nice get. Packers got better today, love it!!

Mo Wilkerson *could* be a huge addition, he’s a beast when he wants to play. It’s been 2 years since that happened, but it’s an attitude thing w him not talent or injury.

buckybadger wrote:

Next Logical Move: Let Clay Matthews know he will be offered a restructured deal to move to ILB, or cut him also.

Couldn’t agree more on this. This isn’t 2011, it’s time for an upgrade at OLB.

Eye guy this is a 3 year deal. It is designed as a win now deal where if it doesn’t work out after that period he is 32 and can test the market again. Yes the market dictates the price and he would’ve gotten more with the jets but on a less talented team. He’s wins in this market because there weren’t any other quarterbacks of his caliber on the market. Time will tell but there’s a reason he’s not with Washington long term. 2 franchise tags shows that they weren’t sold on him and it seems like redskins fans are happy to be rid of him. And yes now green bay can pay Rodgers 30 million a year and spend their time drafting defensive backs. Because all the money will be gone.

I like the moves overall. If we are shedding cap space, I like the idea of cutting Cobb and running Montgomery at the slot. he makes the same as Jordy and its much easier to find slot guys. I also like the idea of cutting matthews as well. His day to take the pay cut is coming. i hope they trade up and take all the corners and linebackers they can. Packers will be just fine as long as Rodgers is under center.