Packers/Lions

Some of you commenting didn’t even watch the game. If you did, you would understand what I am talking about from a game flow, critical situation standpoint.

I agree with too many penalties in general being called. Ruins the game looking for a flag on almost every play. In these two cases, penalties were called where there was no foul, not to mention they were away from the play and not even remotely close to affecting the play. Just ridiculous.

Quit throwing so many flags and let them play football.

copete44 wrote:

Two thoughts. One-I hate the fact that they allow for review on pass interference, but almost never change the call even when it is obvious. If they aren’t going to over turn the calls, don’t allow for a challenge. Second-The blown call that kills me in this game is the helmet to helmet hit, then the DB was going for the ball and the receiver led into the play with his helmet. You can’t penalize a guy for trying to catch the ball. It was obvious the guy wasn’t going in there to knock the WR out, he was going for the ball. That play was a killer for the Lions as well.

Honestly, I know there are bad calls in all the games, I would just like to see less of the ticky tacky calls. Let them play a little. That and this is supposed to be an elite league, why are the refs not performing at an elite level?

I agree with this. I didn’t even mention the personal foul / helmet to helmet hit. That was purely incidental, both players have a right to go for the ball.

NFL, rule 12, article 7, sec 1. guilty as charged. lol ” Illegal use of hands by the defense “

I hate the PI challenge, but ultimately, hate the weird line they’ve drawn for what can and can’t be challenged. If you are going to open it up to PI, why not be able to challenge holding calls? Just doesn’t make sense, they opened up a pandora’s box and I can already tell they are regretting it.

Green Bay seems to get a lot of favorable calls, but that’s coming from a Vikings fan. I liked the Vikes/Eagles game for most of the game as they let the WRs/CBs play, until inexplicably they gave a really favorable call to the Vikes right after a no-call on pass interference on Ertz. Helped out the Vikes, so yay, but as a fan I just want a fair game.

Lions/GB is especially bad though, the Lions have a history of getting absolutely jobbed on calls, especially against GB. The hail mary game from like 3 or 4 years ago had a terrible face mask call where Rodgers feigned getting his face mask pulled on the drive and it setup the hail mary.

And then in 2017 they had the big comeback against the Falcons where they scored a TD with 8 seconds left in the game. The play was reviewed and overturned(even though I don’t think it should have been). This triggered a 10 second runoff that ended the game. Which was the biggest crock, they were penalized 10 seconds because the refs made the ‘wrong’ call initially. 8 seconds would have been enough time to run a play from the 0 yard line and likely win the game.

The worst part about all this review, non review, PI review is that the NFL is SO dang quick to react to a crybaby team. Last year it was the Saints that got screwed so they go to sue the NFL and because of that then we change the whole freakin’ league based on one bad call. Yes, there were other bad calls but none more highlighted and in a big game like that one. Now we all have to suffer through this crap.

And quite honestly I don’t even know if I can blame the officials for such a bad product this year. Their job has become SO subjective to the teams playing, the situations, the score, amount of time left on the clock,,etc. that they don’t have a clue what they should or shouldn’t do anymore! I’m a black and white kinda guy so when someone tells me that a flag should or shouldn’t be thrown in the last to minutes of the game, that doesn’t register with me at all. If it’s a penalty 1 minute into the game it’s a penalty on the last play of the game.

I blame the NFL for this and the front office specifically. Their product has become a joke since 2003 when they began to compile their case for the biggest lawsuit in modern time that will hit them upside the head in under 10 years from today.

The worst part about all this review, non review, PI review is that the NFL is SO dang quick to react to a crybaby team. Last year it was the Saints that got screwed so they go to sue the NFL and because of that then we change the whole freakin’ league based on one bad call. Yes, there were other bad calls but none more highlighted and in a big game like that one. Now we all have to suffer through this crap.

And quite honestly I don’t even know if I can blame the officials for such a bad product this year. Their job has become SO subjective to the teams playing, the situations, the score, amount of time left on the clock,,etc. that they don’t have a clue what they should or shouldn’t do anymore! I’m a black and white kinda guy so when someone tells me that a flag should or shouldn’t be thrown in the last to minutes of the game, that doesn’t register with me at all. If it’s a penalty 1 minute into the game it’s a penalty on the last play of the game.

I blame the NFL for this and the front office specifically. Their product has become a joke since 2003 when they began to compile their case for the biggest lawsuit in modern time that will hit them upside the head in under 10 years from today.

Maybe if the kitties had converted one or two f those 5 FGS into a TD or two, they wouldn’t have even gotten into a close game by the fourth quarter.

lindyrig79 wrote:

Normally I agree that a couple bad calls do not alter the outcome, or even if they do that is just the nature of the game.

Last night was different. Both of those hands to the face calls changed everything and they were both wrong. In the first one it would have been 4th and long (on a sack) and Packers punt. On the second one Packers would have made the FG yes, but would not have been able to run out the clock. HUGE difference

You Packers fans can rationalize all you want but that was total BS

blank wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>lindyrig79 wrote:</div>
Normally I agree that a couple bad calls do not alter the outcome, or even if they do that is just the nature of the game.

Last night was different. Both of those hands to the face calls changed everything and they were both wrong. In the first one it would have been 4th and long (on a sack) and Packers punt. On the second one Packers would have made the FG yes, but would not have been able to run out the clock. HUGE difference

You Packers fans can rationalize all you want but that was total BS

Exactly. That first call was a huge swing. A sack and punt to a first down and drive resulting in a TD.

What about 12 men on the field that turned a field goal ATTEMPT into a touchdown, was that the refs fault too?

This just in, after further review, THE PACKERS STILL WIN!!!!!

Well if the Lion’s and Viking’s would have been smart they should have just moved forward with their quarterback contracts on the “Ref in the Back Pocket” Addendum. It’s hard to believe that both teams, especially the Vikes with so many different quarterbacks in the last 15 years still haven’t learned how to fix their contracts with the quarterbacks to at least give then a fighting chance. I mean really, do you expect to win simply because they think they are the better team? Maybe these guys need to bet the farm on the Packers, apparently they seem to believe it’s inevitable anyway, might as well make some money on it instead of just complaining about it.

Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>bigpike wrote:</div>
Was this the bad call everyone is referring to?

A photo is capturing a split second moment. Watch that in real time and the hand slips right by in less than a second. Oh well, there was a non-call on GB with 13 men on the field. This however was for more than a second.

But whatever, it seems that fans have been screaming and demanding more scrutiny (replay reviews) and now that they’ve gotten it, they’re complaining even more.

Clearly the officiating has now placed the control of the game beyond the play on the field and I have no doubt there is favoritism happening.

It has made many games almost unwatchable.

Nice try Andy, attached is the un doctored clip at the same time. Anybody who resorts to this tactic to try to discredit another team is truly pathetic.

guess you’ll have to click on watch video on YouTube and scroll ahead to the 5:22 mark and see the real unaltered clip.

nailswi,
Take a look back at Andy’s picture and notice that the line of scrimmage is at the GB 47.5 (right of the 50 yard line) and it’s 3rd & 8. Then look at your unaltered clip at the 5:22 game mark (5:18 in the YouTube mark) and you’ll see that the line of scrimmage is the DET 47.5 yard mark (left of the 50) and it’s 3rd & 13. How can that be? Because Detroit had a false start penalty when GB had 13 men on the field and backed up Detroit 5 yards. Now, I don’t know the exact rules, but since it was a false start penalty and thus before the ball was snapped, the too many men on the field penalty probably doesn’t matter since the ball wouldn’t have been legally snapped. This may not be so much that GB got away with a penalty, but got lucky that DET jumped early.

Andy’s picture is not doctored. That’s some Carl Gerbschmidt level of cheesehead conspiracy theory to think it was.

I am a Packer fan, but I have been wondering for years how much of who is winning is being controlled by the NFL. Of course Green Bay is winning they have four prime time games this year. TV ratings would suck if they were losing. Didnt the Vikings have a good year when they were voting on a new stadium? Football is getting closer to All Star wrestling all the time. Hope I’m full oF —– but pro sports is making me wonder.

nailswi wrote:

Nice try Andy, attached is the un doctored clip at the same time. Anybody who resorts to this tactic to try to discredit another team is truly pathetic.

Maybe you misinterpreted the message of my post. My intent was not to “discredit another team”, but rather to call out the now seemingly scandalous officiating.

Obviously, I’m not the only one to wonder.

Going back to last years NFC Championship game, did the officiating “not see the blatant pass interference”, or pretend they didn’t see it?

And now it’s become completely out of hand…we’ve created a monster.

One of the Lions should have hit the referee over the head with a folded chair, now that would have been good TV.

critterhouse 75 wrote:

I am a Packer fan, but I have been wondering for years how much of who is winning is being controlled by the NFL. Of course Green Bay is winning they have four prime time games this year. TV ratings would suck if they were losing. Didnt the Vikings have a good year when they were voting on a new stadium? Football is getting closer to All Star wrestling all the time. Hope I’m full oF —– but pro sports is making me wonder.

Agree 100%… Monday nights game was just another confirmation of this and one of the worst of the year from the stripes. Its a big $$ business more than a game now. Sad…
Anyone defending this garbage that happened in the 4th quarter of that game has got to have a screw loose or a hole in their head.

buschman wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>critterhouse 75 wrote:</div>
I am a Packer fan, but I have been wondering for years how much of who is winning is being controlled by the NFL. Of course Green Bay is winning they have four prime time games this year. TV ratings would suck if they were losing. Didnt the Vikings have a good year when they were voting on a new stadium? Football is getting closer to All Star wrestling all the time. Hope I’m full oF —– but pro sports is making me wonder.

Agree 100%… Monday nights game was just another confirmation of this and one of the worst of the year from the stripes. Its a big $$ business more than a game now. Sad…
Anyone defending this garbage that happened in the 4th quarter of that game has got to have a screw loose or a hole in their head.

This has been the case for a looooonnnnnnnnnng time in all professional sports…long before Monday night. Every professional league is a business first and foremost. Owners and commissioners all have the same primary goal: MAKING MONEY. They couldn’t care less what a group of outdoorsmen on an online forum think. Ratings and dollars from markets far larger than ours drive everything in professional sports. IF wins are achievable without compromising the first goal, they may even push for success in the form of wins as well. Sometimes winning is put on the back-burner to creating even larger profits in the long run (see MLB teams with comparatively minimal payrolls). The Miami Dolphins owners are making more right now with their excuse for a team than any of us will in a lifetime. The “Integrity of the Game” is such a thing of the past, and has been for quite some time.

Look at the commercials, the sideline reporting, the social media aspects, the salaries, the record league earnings, the officiating, the lawsuits, the rule changes favoring the offense more than ever, the cost of tickets, jersey sales, new stadiums, etc. As a long-time high school coach I can truthfully say what we see on Sundays on television is not even the same sport that is played in small rural towns on Friday night throughout the Midwest.

TO ANDY and BLANK,

I did some double checking, I got my clip from NFL highlights so there was some time missing, but I did find a complete game replay. So I will admit that Andy’s pic was not doctored, but I will standby about him making a false claim of the Packers “getting away with one”. Watch the game and you will see that the Packers used a time out with too many men on the field, so they did not get away with one.

nailswi wrote:

TO ANDY and BLANK,

So I will admit that Andy’s pic was not doctored, but I will standby about him making a false claim of the Packers “getting away with one”. Watch the game and you will see that the Packers used a time out with too many men on the field, so they did not get away with one.

False claim?

I thought I responded saying I wasn’t “slandering” the Packers, but critiquing the officiating. But you seem to obsess on my example pic, and keep singling me out as the “dissident”?

It seems that the whole world knows that GB benefited (got away with many?) officiating calls/non-calls…except you?

Even the NFL had to eat some crow on this one…

“NFL vice president of operations Troy Vincent is at this week’s owners meetings in Florida and he addressed the calls during a session with reporters on Tuesday. Vincent said the “foul wasn’t there” after reviewing tape of the second illegal hands to the face penalty and that it is not the kind of call you want to see officials make.
Vincent said that he would reach out to Lions owner Martha Ford and General Manager Bob Quinn to relay that message.
Vincent’s response won’t change the outcome of Monday night’s game. It is also unlikely to put a halt to conversations about ideas like adding a sky judge to officiating crews in order to correct such calls before they wind up having an outsize impact on results.”

I agree the Packers got some late help from the zebras BUT, did the Lions really score a TD early in the game or was that a gift also? And if you keep kicking FG when inside the red zone it is going to bite you in the a$$ eventually.

There are bad calls in every game period. A referee could probably call a penalty on every play. In the long run it probably evens out.

mxskeeter wrote:

I agree the Packers got some late help from the zebras BUT, did the Lions really score a TD early in the game or was that a gift also? And if you keep kicking FG when inside the red zone it is going to bite you in the a$$ eventually.

There are bad calls in every game period. A referee could probably call a penalty on every play. In the long run it probably evens out.

Yep, that’s what it is, and thankfully I have no emotional investment in sports anymore.

Just an observer

And this comment sums it up as best as anything else anyone can say about it… v v v

Beast wrote:

This just in, after further review, THE PACKERS STILL WIN!!!!!

Stop digging Andy, soon the hole will be too deep for you to get out. Go back and read my post acknowledging poor officiating, that should clear up that arguement.

Next, you said:
I thought I responded saying I wasn’t “slandering” the Packers, but critiquing the officiating. But you seem to obsess on my example pic, and keep singling me out as the “dissident”?

It seems that the whole world knows that GB benefited (got away with many?) officiating calls/non-calls…except you?

Like the Packers have anything to do with the refs making a call.

Then you said.
Oh well, there was a non-call on GB with 13 men on the field. This however was for more than a second.

Know your facts before you post something like that.

nailswi wrote:

Like the Packers have anything to do with the refs making a call.

The Packers don’t have to have anything to do with the ref’s calls, but obviously they still benefited from them. Yes or no?

nailswi wrote:

Know your facts before you post something like that.

nailswi wrote:

So I will admit that Andy’s pic was not doctored

Maybe you should know your facts before posting something like that?

You do have me wondering though why you’ve made this personal towards me?

Go back and read the opening post of this thread. Yet you seem to have me alone in your crosshairs?

My last response…

I am a Viking fan. I personally didn’t see any calls in that game that were out of the ordinary. I thought it was a perfectly normal Packers game where they get several calls that directly help them win the game. (Vikings OPI that takes a td off the board, Broncos phantom hold that takes a td off the board). They should be 2-4

Don’t worryaboutit wrote:

I am a Viking fan. I personally didn’t see any calls in that game that were out of the ordinary. I thought it was a perfectly normal Packers game where they get several calls that directly help them win the game. (Vikings OPI that takes a td off the board, Broncos phantom hold that takes a td off the board). They should be 2-4

Dude you are truly delusional. If I were you I’d seek medical help for your condition. Both teams had some bad calls against them, more so against the pack because the zebras missing a few calls in the first half and more against the lions the second. It was a wash. Now go see a therapist or go fishing or something.

The NFL said first call was good second not. The replays we see and those used for reviews are not ever exactly what the refs see. The refs are almost always at a different angle and level than the cameras. I thought both situations could be called either way depending on the angle the ref viewed it from. The only question I have is if the player got called for a fowl once, right or wrong why did he do the the same thing again.

sticker wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>nailswi wrote:</div>
Terrible officiating for sure,but the one thing worse than that was having to listen to Booger McFarland the entire game. How the heck did MNF land this clown.

I couldn’t agree more, that guy is the worst!! Almost unlistenable

really ?? The worst? I find him refreshing give me booger and romo any day

I agree with sticker, those two clowns are the worst. Talk about a snooze fest!

I agree with sticker & Mike S. Booger is difficult to listen to. Now Romo I like!

Booger and romo are opposites but they both ruin the game for me. Booger because he’s literally a moron and says the wrong thing consistently. Romo knows too much. It would be impressive if not so annoying. I don’t need the tv dude to constantly tell me they’re about to run left, here comes a deep ball, etc. It ruins the suspense in my opinion.