Packer issue……

  • Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16656
    #1796930

    If you are the Packers………………….

    Do you play a hurt Rodgers this week and risk a worse injury which would flush your season. Or do you sit him the next week or two in hopes he can heal and finish the season?

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1796932

    No question, rest him and let him heal.

    icenutz
    Aniwa, WI
    Posts: 2540
    #1796945

    what have you heard on the injury? As far as I know nothing has been released yet.

    kabefisherman11
    Posts: 201
    #1796948

    Im hearing sprained MCL. Limited mobility for 2-4 weeks. If they can protect him let him play. If they play like they did in the first half let kizer play. The packers wont have anything official until wednesday or thursday.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11646
    #1796961

    Against the Vikings D, I’d rest him. No way are the Packers O line going to keep the Vikings off of Rogers for an entire game. It isn’t a matter of if he gets sacked, it’s how many times and how bad.

    Obviously, this is with the idea that if he played, he’d be playing hurt and nursing an injury.

    Still early in the season and with the Packer’s backup QB being, errr, questionable, the only chance going forward is to make sure Rogers can be there to the end of the season. Get him hurt in Game 2 and miss multiple games and it’s Game Over Packers.

    Grouse

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1796964

    It’s a tough situation, if you ignore the game against the Vikes since GB would lose either way(lol), look at their upcoming schedule:

    Vikings – H
    Redskins – A
    Bills – H
    Lions – A
    49ers – H
    Bye
    Rams – A
    Patriots – A

    Dolphins – H
    Seahawks – A
    Vikings – A
    Cardinals – H
    Falcons – H
    Bears – A
    Jets – A
    Lions – H

    This next stretch of three games is a stretch they had to figure they would go 3-0 on. If they sit Rodgers for a few weeks and drop one to the Vikes, and then potentially drop 1-2 to that group, they might put themselves in too big of a hole.

    Looking ahead to the rest of the year, Rams/Patriots/Vikings all away could be tough to get more than 1 win out of, and wouldn’t be surprised to go 0-3 in those games either(just like I wouldn’t be surprised if the Vikes lose to both of those teams on the road).

    So lets say they sit him for 4 weeks, they drop 2 or 3 of those games, there are still another 3-4 games on their schedule that will be tough wins even with a healthy Rodgers. All of a sudden you are looking at an uphill battle to win 10 games. And if you lose all the tough road games to the Vikes/Rams/Pats, you might be on the outside looking in come January.

    On the other hand, with the way the Bills/Lions played this past week, maybe you rest Rodgers and trust the rest of the team to win those games. The Lions have played GB tough the last few years though(but looked abysmal yesterday).

    Given that he’s already had two injuries on this knee and they just gave him a ton of money, I’d probably rest him and make sure he doesn’t do something worse. He showed he can be a really good pocket passer, but he’s so deadly when he has more mobility I don’t think you want to risk that long term.

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1796979

    I don’t know if you sit him 4 weeks, but sit him 2 weeks then come back and win the next 3 and they are 4-2 at worst going into a bye week.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17420
    #1796997

    I find it mind boggling that they STILL didn’t address their backup QB situation after the Hundley debacle last year. I think they should roll with Kizer. He had what, 2 turnovers in 3 possessions?

    crappie55369
    Mound, MN
    Posts: 5757
    #1797001

    you don’t risk a future HOF QB in his prime and the face of your franchise if the alternative is a few games rest. Sit the man

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22809
    #1797019

    If they are watching any tape of what Sheldon Richardson was up to they would sit him. My Lord that guy was unstoppable. With the D Ends the Vikings have and the pressure up the middle with Linval and Sheldon? Its about as dominant as Bo Jackson on Tecmo Bowl.
    I want a player at there best, I don’t want to hear any excuses of getting beat because their guy was injured or he gets hurt worse. To me there is NOTHING to be gained by playing him and only hurt them. Yes, it would be important to beat the Vikings because it should be between those 2 to battle it out for the NFC North, but they wont be in the hunt at all if they don’t have him to battle the majority of the games later on in the season.

    Chris Messerschmidt
    Minnesota
    Posts: 615
    #1797024

    Having dealt with a sprained MCL, I am not even sure how he is walking… He had to be jacked up on some good stuff to be even finishing that game.

    I would NOT play him. It took me 2-3 weeks before I was 100% and I have done it 5 times on the same knee. It’s very painful and stiff.

    rkd-jim
    Fountain City, WI.
    Posts: 1606
    #1797030

    If you are the Packers………………….

    Do you play a hurt Rodgers this week and risk a worse injury which would flush your season. Or do you sit him the next week or two in hopes he can heal and finish the season?

    SOMEONE’S WORRIED!!!!

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1797032

    I find it mind boggling that they STILL didn’t address their backup QB situation after the Hundley debacle last year. I think they should roll with Kizer. He had what, 2 turnovers in 3 possessions?

    This was exactly what I thought. I didn’t keep track of GB during the offseason and didn’t know who the backup was until I saw Kizer step in.

    Right away I knew it wouldn’t be good. Nowhere did I think it would be that bad.

    Here’s a replay of his second turnover…watch close and see him face plant himself trying to bring the “Mack truck” down. lol

    tomr
    cottage grove, mn
    Posts: 1275
    #1797041

    I think it comes down to how much mobility he will have to move around the pocket. If he can’t move well enough to avoid some of the rush you would have to sit him. I personally hope he plays, much more interesting game, if he does not play I doubt I will watch.

    mxskeeter
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts: 3806
    #1797098

    I find it mind boggling that they STILL didn’t address their backup QB situation after the Hundley debacle last year. I think they should roll with Kizer. He had what, 2 turnovers in 3 possessions?

    And who would you suggest for a backup qb? If there is anybody decent out there another team has him for starter. There are only about a dozen premium qb in the whole league.
    The Vikings didn’t even keep Keenum for a backup this year and all he did was take them to the NFL Championship.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11646
    #1797101

    And who would you suggest for a backup qb?

    Well, there does happen to be one guy who’s available on short notice…

    Grouse

    Chuck Melcher
    SE Wisconsin, Racine County
    Posts: 1966
    #1797105

    mxskeeter wrote:
    And who would you suggest for a backup qb?

    Well, there does happen to be one guy who’s available on short notice…

    Grouse

    OK, now you are just being silly – he is too busy working for that shoe store…..

    Johnie Birkel
    South metro
    Posts: 291
    #1797113

    I had a complete tear in MCL in the second game before the state final my senior year of HS. I played that game, the final game, a HS season of basketball and 4 years of college basketball. Not sure if that story is relevant to Rodgers issue but he will be just fine IMO. With that said there isn’t a day that goes by with out it hurting like a SOB. My understanding is the leg muscles will counter a lot of the ligements and wobble, but when you stop useing those as much you have issues- thanks office job

    eyeguy507
    SE MN
    Posts: 5215
    #1797115

    Mr. Barr is patiently waiting in the cut.

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    eyeguy507
    SE MN
    Posts: 5215
    #1797117

    Over under 3.5 Kizer turnovers?

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1797149

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Grant Ruis wrote:</div>
    I find it mind boggling that they STILL didn’t address their backup QB situation after the Hundley debacle last year. I think they should roll with Kizer. He had what, 2 turnovers in 3 possessions?

    And who would you suggest for a backup qb? If there is anybody decent out there another team has him for starter. There are only about a dozen premium qb in the whole league.
    The Vikings didn’t even keep Keenum for a backup this year and all he did was take them to the NFL Championship.

    I think he’s suggesting the Packers actually invest some money at the backup QB position for a veteran that’s actually capable of competing — something they haven’t done in a long time. Nobody’s saying the packers need a “premium” QB at the backup spot. Competence would be an upgrade.

    The Keenum thing is completely irrelevant to this conversation, in my opinion. The Vikings didn’t keep Keenum because they wanted to “upgrade” and Keenum was no longer under contract. Given his performance last year they didn’t have a shot at keeping him without giving him at least 2 years and starter money — so he’s gone. And even after the Vikings spent all that cash on Cousins, they still invested in a backup with at least some track record of winning at the NFL level (Siemian 13-11 record with the Broncos).

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1797159

    INvesting in a backup QB makes a lot more sense for a team with a QB still on a rookie deal (ie: Eagles) than it would for the Packers. So much of their money is tied up in Rodgers, they need to spend what’s left trying to surround him with as much talent as possible.

    The reality is, if Rodgers goes down, their chance of competing for a superbowl is more or less zero. Investing the remaining money elsewhere gives them the best chance to win.

    And yes, I know the Eagles just won the super bowl with a backup, but that does not mean that you should try to replicate that. Maybe I’d feel differently if they were a stacked, young team surrounding Rodgers, but they just don’t…

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11644
    #1797161

    The Packers did invest in a backup, they traded a 2015 1st round pick (Demarious Randall who’s starting for Cle and had a Pick in week 1) for Kizer. Also, I’m surprised they wouldn’t at least kick the tires on hometown boy, Colin Kaepernick, who’s from Milwaukee. It’s like they were worried about the response from their fans and the league office. I don’t understand a lot of what the GB front office has done the last 5-10 years…

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1797164

    I do agree to an extent, Phil. It’s tough to balance it out and you gotta put talent around Rodgers before you put it on the bench behind him.

    The Packers did invest in a backup, they traded a 2015 1st round pick (Demarious Randall who’s starting for Cle and had a Pick in week 1) for Kizer. Also, I’m surprised they wouldn’t at least kick the tires on hometown boy, Colin Kaepernick, who’s from Milwaukee. It’s like they were worried about the response from their fans and the league office. I don’t understand a lot of what the GB front office has done the last 5-10 years…

    Randall was a throw-away, they wanted nothing to do with him after he quit on the team last year.

    As a lifelong Packers fan, I’m with you on the front office to an extent. On one hand, I can’t complain with the experience of being a GB fan for the past 5-10 years. Life has been pretty good.

    On the other, many of their choices haven’t made a lick of sense to me and I get to wondering about the “what ifs” of what the team could’ve accomplished under more competent management. I dunno, it’s all hypothetical.

    And I’ll also add that while the Vikings have done a wicked job putting a defense together, they certainly haven’t been immune to bone-headed front office decisions.

    I won’t even comment on the Kap idea beyond saying I believe he’d be an improvement over Kizer on the field. I have no interest in debating that any futher )

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1797165

    The Packers did invest in a backup, they traded a 2015 1st round pick (Demarious Randall who’s starting for Cle and had a Pick in week 1) for Kizer. Also, I’m surprised they wouldn’t at least kick the tires on hometown boy, Colin Kaepernick, who’s from Milwaukee. It’s like they were worried about the response from their fans and the league office. I don’t understand a lot of what the GB front office has done the last 5-10 years…

    Now Grouse said it as a joke, but you make it sound like you are serious??? Kizer is a better QB and doesn’t bring all the BS drama to the team. doah

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11644
    #1797166

    Now Grouse said it as a joke, but you make it sound like you are serious??? Kizer is a better QB and doesn’t bring all the BS drama to the team.

    Just melting some cheese this morning rotflol . Although strictly on a football performance evaluation, no way Kizer has proven himself more than Kaep. It’s pretty obvious, imo, that Kaep has become too polarizing, and therefore no one wants to risk alienating fans, which is a business decision. And we all know the NFL is only concerned with the business end of things.

    As far as the front office goes, they have done a horrible job drafting and until this year really didn’t play in free agency. The Defense is still suspect, and they haven’t had a legitimate running attack since Eddie Lacy’s one good year.

    crappie55369
    Mound, MN
    Posts: 5757
    #1797177

    A backup QB doesn’t have to cost a fortune. I get that Rodgers contracts weighs the team down financially a bit but all the same there are quite a few better options than kizer that are cheap. Here is a list of NON-ROOKIE backup QB’s that I would rather have than kizer that cost less than 2M a year. I say non rookie cause we all know rookie deals are cheap and sometimes the quality of the player can far exceed what they would cost on the open market.

    Matt Barkley 1.6M
    Blaine Gabbert 2M
    Brian Hoyer 1.6M
    Matt Cassell 1.2M
    Cody Kessler 800k
    Brock Osweiler 880k
    Trevor Siemian 580k

    For reference Kizer was paid 1.2M last year. Im not saying that any of the guys above are going to win you a SB. Im not even saying any of them are really any good. But to watch Kizer and the horrible decisions he makes is just too much. Id rather watch Gabbert throw 5 yard passes all day than watch Kizer try to throw a pass backward while falling down right into a pass rushers lap.

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1797178

    Id rather watch Gabbert throw 5 yard passes all day than watch Kizer try to throw a pass backward while falling down right into a pass rushers lap.

    Dunno, at least that sounds entertaining yay

    Joe Scegura
    Alexandria MN
    Posts: 2758
    #1797184

    Id rather watch Gabbert throw 5 yard passes all day than watch Kizer try to throw a pass backward while falling down right into a pass rushers lap.

    They should have gotten Teddy. He likes to throw 5 yard passes.

    Jonesy
    Posts: 1148
    #1797261

    Rodgers today said it’s a sprained knee. Stopped short of saying mcl sprain. Said it’s been sore everyday but also getting better. As long as the pain in manageable I would have to think he plays Sunday.

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