Officers find Mille Lacs rife with over-fishing, drugs

  • Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1834264

    From today’s Strib, sports page, outdoors feature, back page in the print version.

    I was going to post the link, but that becomes messy with slow response, pop up ads, and some aren’t allowed free views so I just copied and pasted.

    No surprise here at all, been going on for years. Now with 7,000 anglers infesting the lake each weekend, enforcement has ramped up their efforts. As far as the poaching…no surprise.

    And as far as the “pot smokers”, I guess no surprise either after learning about all the pot smokers on this forum. jester

    Illegal fishing on Mille Lacs has been rampant this winter, based on enforcement actions by the Department of Natural Resources.
    Overfishing also was detected in angler surveys conducted in late December and throughout January by DNR fisheries officials. The abuse will count against the state’s 2019 allocation of walleye poundage — an allocation that may not allow for a limited take of walleyes when the open-water season starts on May 11.
    Lt. Bob Gorecki of the DNR said the violation rate by ice anglers is the highest he’s seen in five years of enforcement supervision on the lake. Officers also saw a lot of drug use over four weekends of “saturation’’ enforcement conducted by five to seven conservation officers at a time, he said.
    The busts happened during a crush of fishing pressure.
    “This is by far the busiest I’ve seen it,’’ Gorecki said.
    The special enforcement this winter resulted in 146 citations and 213 warnings, the DNR said. Twenty percent of the writeups dealt with keeping fish illegally. This winter’s bag limit on Mille Lacs is one walleye within a slot of 21 to 23 inches.
    “The violation rates we were seeing were particularly high,’’ Gorecki said.

    About 40 percent of the violations were for having too many fishing lines, unattended lines or no license. Another 30 percent were for drugs or litter.
    The special enforcement was triggered by complaints from the public, some based on social media postings by anglers showing off their catch, Gorecki said.
    “This year complaints from the public have probably quadrupled,’’ he said.
    Early ice on Mille Lacs allowed for a “phenomenal’’ early winter catch rate of .2 walleyes per hour, said Tom Heinrich, DNR fisheries supervisor for the lake. The catch rate has declined, Heinrich said, but the good fishing reportedly drew crowds of up to 7,000 anglers per weekend day.
    Through the end of January, Mille Lacs anglers harvested an estimated 10,000 pounds of walleyes, compared to 6,000 pounds all last winter, Heinrich said.

    He said the DNR’s face-to-face angler surveys this season detected rates of illegal fishing on par with what was reported by the enforcement division. “We’re capturing the true harvest out there,’’ Heinrich said.
    The calculations count against the state’s allocation under the co-management system between Minnesota and eight Chippewa bands who share the resource. Scientific evidence of walleye scarcity has greatly restricted the “safe harvest” allocation in recent years.
    Gorecki said enforcement checks found numerous instances of walleyes kept despite being an inch or more out of the slot limit. No fishing equipment was confiscated, but officers did confiscate needles, pipes and other paraphernalia related to marijuana, meth, hash and other drugs.
    “Quite a bit of drug violations,’’ Gorecki said.
    In one case, an angler hid illegal walleyes under his fish house. He was friendly to officers until they found his stash.

    “The guy just said he wanted to keep fish,’’ Gorecki said. “He made some disparaging remarks about the Mille Lacs situation and the Native American component.
    “We get quite a bit of that out there,’’ the lieutenant said.”

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10440
    #1834268

    The special enforcement this winter resulted in 146 citations and 213 warnings, the DNR said. Twenty percent of the writeups dealt with keeping fish illegally. This winter’s bag limit on Mille Lacs is one walleye within a slot of 21 to 23 inches.

    “The violation rates we were seeing were particularly high,’’ Gorecki said.

    About 40 percent of the violations were for having too many fishing lines, unattended lines or no license. Another 30 percent were for drugs or litter.

    Doesn’t seem like a high percentage of people keeping fish.
    146 Citations the entire winter, seems kinda on the low end of citations. If it was newsworthy I would have expected 146 a weekend.

    Read the comment section. Mr Fellegy has a few responces.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1834272

    The headline “20 illegal fish kept this winter” does not sell papers or help a reporter get paid.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8187
    #1834273

    Ice fishing is extremely difficult for regulation enforcement. 5000 shacks. Stop and take the time to just count to 5,000. Now multiply that by what it would take to do checks for a CO and it’s mathemically impossible to check on more than a small percentage of anglers. Anglers know this and are not even slightly worried about getting caught. Those chosing to break the law on the pond have a minute chance of getting caught. It’s a sad reality.

    Why doesn’t the warning total tally 0, instead of hundreds?

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1834281

    Doesn’t seem like a high percentage of people keeping fish.
    146 Citations the entire winter, seems kinda on the low end of citations. If it was newsworthy I would have expected 146 a weekend.

    Read the comment section. Mr Fellegy has a few responces.

    The headline “20 illegal fish kept this winter” does not sell papers or help a reporter get paid.

    As I stated in my OP, no surprises here, been going for generations. And yes, I read Fellegy’s comments..he has another axe to grind.

    So…? Sorry then I shared this.

    Nothing to see here, please…just move along and don’t look at this accident.

    Pailofperch
    Central Mn North of the smiley water tower
    Posts: 2918
    #1834282

    Why doesn’t the warning total tally 0, instead of hundreds?

    I couldn’t agree more. Laws are usually more “respected” when they are truly enforced. Break a law, get a ticket.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #1834318

    5-7 officers is not what I would consider a saturation. 5-7 is what I would expect to be on the water every Friday, Saturday, Sunday of the season year around. How about posting teams of officers at every access point public or private. The officers can issue regulations on the way on the ice and conduct searches on the way off the ice.

    The reporter made quite the point of pointing out this will be harmful for the summer quota. As the reporter probably didn’t know how to get to Mille Lacs this seemed like a “hey guess whats coming” shot by the DNR.

    Nothing that happens on Mille Lacs should surprise us anymore.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17440
    #1834320

    I saw this article and it just made me fume with anger. So in addition to keeping illegal fish, these guys are drinking, doing illegal drugs, and leaving trash behind. Complete slobs. And every illegal fish has to count against the quota next spring.

    Red Eye
    Posts: 951
    #1834327

    Hard to find all the hidden fish when they have to ask permission to look first.

    Mookie Blaylock
    Wright County, MN
    Posts: 469
    #1834333

    Is this a sportsmen ethics problem? Or are we assuming these tickets are going to people we wouldn’t consider to be sportsmen?

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6019
    #1834341

    Might seem like a lot, but the numbers seem reasonable and would likely apply to every other lake in the state.

    7,000 anglers per day. Even if ALL 146 citation were for illegal fish, that would still be less than .01% of the anglers cited.

    Put 7,000 people anywhere on any given day and there will be booze and drugs. Just the way it is.

    -J.

    Mookie Blaylock
    Wright County, MN
    Posts: 469
    #1834345

    The article does not provide enough information to be doing any useful math.

    tangler
    Inactive
    Posts: 812
    #1834351

    The article does not provide enough information to be doing any useful math.

    Might seem like a lot, but the numbers seem reasonable and would likely apply to every other lake in the state.

    7,000 anglers per day. Even if ALL 146 citation were for illegal fish, that would still be less than .01% of the anglers cited.

    Put 7,000 people anywhere on any given day and there will be booze and drugs. Just the way it is.

    -J.

    What Mookie said.

    IMHO this is completely useless unless you know how many of the 7,000 were checked. You must understand this.

    To the a-holes acting like a bunch of jabrones on the ice: I could care less if you smoke a doobie in your flip-over, just stop poaching fish. It’s not hard.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11654
    #1834354

    The headline “20 illegal fish kept this winter” does not sell papers or help a reporter get paid.

    Doesn’t seem like a high percentage of people keeping fish.
    146 Citations the entire winter, seems kinda on the low end of citations.

    According to the article, the citation count was for 4 weekends of saturation patrols only. NOT the entire winter. Or at least that’s the way I read it.

    To me this just highlights the continuation of a very bad trend in Minnesota: Not NEARLY enough conservation officers.

    5 to 7 CO’s is all they could muster for a “saturation” patrol on a lake the size of Mille Lacs? That’s a drop in the bucket patrol, not a “saturation”.

    With all the HD sidescan, downscan, upscan, overscan, underwater cams, etc, etc, fishing has gotten more productive while the number of COs to enforce the laws per capita is now lower than it has ever been.

    IMO keeping over the limit AND freezer filling over the possession limit are completely common in MN. Too many anglers today have an entitlement attitude that when the fishing is good, they feel they are entitled to break the law and they are made more bold by the fact that there is a 0.01% chance of ever getting checked and lake spot checks don’t find the 300 sunfish in the freezer at home.

    I’d like to see a plan to 2X the number of COs in 10 years and YES!, I’d be willing to pay extra for each license I purchase to make this happen. I’d be quite happy with $10 extra per license if it went directly to fund more COs.

    Grouse

    tangler
    Inactive
    Posts: 812
    #1834358

    Other questions:

    — How many anglers in boats would Mille Lacs see on a typical busy Saturday/Sunday in the summer if we had the opportunity to harvest even one fish in a tiny slot? Would it come anywhere near 7,000?

    — When’s the last time they closed the winter season? Or limited it to CPR or banned night fishing or live bait, etc? In my short time following this situation it seems every summer it’s “sorry folks,” while the ice guys get the only swing at the walleye piñata.

    – The last time I remember summer harvest being allowed was 2015 (1 fish), and they cut that off in August because of quota problems. Why not cut ice season short if it’s creating this problem? Or do they just keep punishing the summer anglers?

    ClownColor
    Inactive
    The Back 40
    Posts: 1955
    #1834365

    IMO keeping over the limit AND freezer filling over the possession limit are completely common in MN. Too many anglers today have an entitlement attitude that when the fishing is good, they feel they are entitled to break the law and they are made more bold by the fact that there is a 0.01% chance of ever getting checked and lake spot checks don’t find the 300 sunfish in the freezer at home.

    I have to politely disagree IMO here. Most articles I hear of people over fishing, stories and hearsay, come from the older generation. Most of my friends all tend to CPR. Most of my older relatives and family members or older family friends, tend to catch and keep. Of course it’s not always the case either way…but more and more people are being brought up to CPR.

    Everyone complained on here for years to support these business and now that its going crazy good out there, and people are coming in from everwhere, all-you-all are complaining about strobes, parties, liter, citations…all that comes when volume drives up.

    I just laugh. what do you expect?

    Muskyslayer
    Posts: 1
    #1834369

    Shocking, the star tribune writing an article about all those deplorables. Love how it ended with The all too familiar “racist” punch in the face.????

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5805
    #1834371

    Put 7,000 people anywhere on any given day and there will be booze and drugs. Just the way it is.

    I was going to say the exact same thing.

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5805
    #1834374

    Love how it ended with The all too familiar “racist” punch in the face.????

    And we will continue to have this as long as we have two groups of people being governed under different laws.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11650
    #1834377

    This is an embarrassingly poor level of journalism, that leaves me with more questions than answers. Going off what little info is provided they caught 29 people over 4 weekends that kept “fish illegally”, but not if that were gross over limits or were they all 1 fish poor tape measurements by the anglers? There’s a significant difference. This garbage article (which I put on Tony Kennedy) seems more like a PR piece for the DNR preparing anglers for another summer(s) of CnR which would basically be the 6th year in a row (I don’t count a one fish limit of a nearly non-existent size range “open”). We had our chance in the last election, and dropped the ball so I don’t see too much “good” news coming on Mille Lacs for the next 4 years.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17440
    #1834468

    When’s the last time they closed the winter season? Or limited it to CPR or banned night fishing or live bait, etc? In my short time following this situation it seems every summer it’s “sorry folks,” while the ice guys get the only swing at the walleye piñata.

    The reason its been closed or open only to catch and release for walleye in the open water season is because the harvest has traditionally been MUCH higher than it is in the winter. The harvest during open water season at its peak was 400,000 pounds of walleye and in the winter its 15,000 pounds. That, and the mortality is always higher when the water is warmer.

    Bass Thumb
    Royalton, MN
    Posts: 1200
    #1835348

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
    IMO keeping over the limit AND freezer filling over the possession limit are completely common in MN. Too many anglers today have an entitlement attitude that when the fishing is good, they feel they are entitled to break the law and they are made more bold by the fact that there is a 0.01% chance of ever getting checked and lake spot checks don’t find the 300 sunfish in the freezer at home.

    I have to politely disagree IMO here. Most articles I hear of people over fishing, stories and hearsay, come from the older generation. Most of my friends all tend to CPR. Most of my older relatives and family members or older family friends, tend to catch and keep. Of course it’s not always the case either way…but more and more people are being brought up to CPR.

    100% agreed. They get bold after 35-50 years of fishing and never having their freezer checked or their entire truck or wheelhouse searched looking for a fish.

    There are a lot of ice angler who don’t own boats or fish during the open water season. They still like having fish fries in August, and now is when they stock up.

    Ed Lashyro
    NULL
    Posts: 100
    #1835368

    You are spot on with your comments, well said.

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