Now they are shooting cops!

This is out of control and getting dangerous. Now every time there’s a police involved shooting the media whips people into a frenzy. Isn’t it against the law to incite a riot? That’s exactly what the media has been doing and now people are shooting cops.
Pretty soon they wont be able to arrest anybody, anywhere for fear of hurting the “victims” feelings.
I can’t believe people think we can have a safe country without a few heads getting pounded sometimes. That’s just the way it works.
Let’s try an experiment. Fence off Ferguson and pull out the cops. Let’s see how long they last.

Shooting cops gives me nightmares, I’m the proud parent of a soon-to-be graduate in law enforcement and homeland security.

i thought there was a rule against political and religious discussions on this forum?

crappie55369 wrote:

i thought there was a rule against political and religious discussions on this forum?

That’s right, I hope everyone is extremely careful though policing the site. I’d hate to see anyone shot for it. (someone said smilies should be added to posts that aren’t serious so here’s a few).

well said Suzuki!

I like that idea…pull out the cops and let em just go to town on eachother!!

I have a bullet proof monitor Gregg.

Although I don’t feel real good about joking when two innocent people were hurt.

The Police Chief resigns and this is how it’s celebrated?

…but then I shouldn’t judge the many by the actions of a few or possible one. Either way, it’s got to suck for the regular “I just want to be left alone and go fishing” type of people in Ferguson.

crappie55369 wrote:

i thought there was a rule against political and religious discussions on this forum?

I don’t consider the topic either one and we need some action on this board. It has been too slow. Perhaps you’ll approve of my knee post instead?

Just another example of the Crap hole this country is becoming. I just look around me everyday and don’t see to many thinks heading in positive directions. Then again I’m a glass half empty kind of guy

Being a glass half full kind a guy…

I’ll still give your left nut to live here then any other place in the world.

Brian Klawitter wrote:

Being a glass half full kind a guy…

I’ll still give your left nut to live here then any other place in the world.

Brian.

There was a time I would have agreed with you on that. I don’t think that is the case these days. I believe it will become even less so in the future. The problem is that other countries will not just let me or anyone else just move to their country and take jobs away from their citizens like the US does. Nor will they likely give me free money and a place to live like the US will. Better stop at this point before I get this post dusted.

fishthumper wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Brian Klawitter wrote:</div>
Being a glass half full kind a guy…

I’ll still give your left nut to live here then any other place in the world.

Brian.

There was a time I would have agreed with you on that. I don’t think that is the case these days. I believe it will become even less so in the future. The problem is that other countries will not just let me or anyone else just move to their country and take jobs away from their citizens like the US does. Nor will they likely give me free money and a place to live like the US will. Better stop at this point before I get this post dusted.

…..political topic……

hate to say i told you so

It’s not 5:00 yet!

suzuki wrote:

This is out of control and getting dangerous. Now every time there’s a police involved shooting the media whips people into a frenzy. Isn’t it against the law to incite a riot? That’s exactly what the media has been doing and now people are shooting cops.
Pretty soon they wont be able to arrest anybody, anywhere for fear of hurting the “victims” feelings.
I can’t believe people think we can have a safe country without a few heads getting pounded sometimes. That’s just the way it works.
Let’s try an experiment. Fence off Ferguson and pull out the cops. Let’s see how long they last.

Not saying you are wrong, I just want you to expand on the “media” thing…Isn’t it as simple as saying and IDIOT pointed a gun at a police officers face and pulled the trigger? I mean KARE11 or some other media outlet didn’t pull that trigger. The person that pulled it has been an idiot for years…

I for one am sick of it. People who are protesting forget that these clowns were doing something illegal in the first place! Cops don’t just going randomly shooting at people because they are pink, purple or whatever. They are chasing criminals. But heaven forbid they catch the punk, or worse, have to drop the guy in his tracks with whatever force necessary, people seem to miss the point they are criminals who did something bad. Next thing you know there is some stupid protest, media goes wild and everybody is now against the cops, not the bad guys. Pretty sad in my book…this world is really getting soft. I even heard a guy on the radio yesterday say fighting in the NHL should be banned, heavily fined and be gone with. Really?…..

fine ill chime in.

Police need to make split second decisions sometimes. Sometimes they make the right choice and sometimes they make the wrong choice. The case of ferguson involves race and thats where all the emotion and anger is coming from. now i havent followed up on this that much but from what ive read the independant commission that oversaw this case found sufficent evidence that race has come into play in this town when making policing decisions for years a.k.a. cops in ferguson have been proven to make decisions based on racist behavior. Some cops are racist, some cops are not. some cops are jerks some cops are nice. Just like some of you on this forum are probably racist and some are not, some are probably nice people and some are probably not. Its life. I dont have the answers for any of it but i tend to be sympathetic to minorites because i believe they have mostly gotten the short end of the stick in this country for the last 500 years or so and it continues to this day. From my experience in talking with most outdoorsman and in reading through replies on this forum over the years i think most of you dont agree with me or dont care and think differently. Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, but i come here to learn how to become a better outdoorsman from the men and women on this site who can teach me things from their vast experience and in the rare instance that i have some advice to give back. I seek the outdoors to get away from this stuff so id rather not be reminded of the ugliness in the world here.

roosterrouster wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>
This is out of control and getting dangerous. Now every time there’s a police involved shooting the media whips people into a frenzy. Isn’t it against the law to incite a riot? That’s exactly what the media has been doing and now people are shooting cops.
Pretty soon they wont be able to arrest anybody, anywhere for fear of hurting the “victims” feelings.
I can’t believe people think we can have a safe country without a few heads getting pounded sometimes. That’s just the way it works.
Let’s try an experiment. Fence off Ferguson and pull out the cops. Let’s see how long they last.

Not saying you are wrong, I just want you to expand on the “media” thing…Isn’t it as simple as saying and IDIOT pointed a gun at a police officers face and pulled the trigger? I mean KARE11 or some other media outlet didn’t pull that trigger. The person that pulled it has been an idiot for years…

You are right but its too late for that. The idiots are no longer the bad guys.
All it takes is to shove the camera in front of a grieving parent or call it discrimination then broadcast it nationwide over tv and internet and it doesn’t matter who was at fault. Everybody supports the grieving or (supposedly) discriminated person. Might be time to dust the thread now because I feel some bad stuff coming to mind.

I haven’t heard or seen Sharpton or Jackson step up in support of the police. Where are they? Oh wait….the cops were breaking any laws. Never mind.

crappie55369 wrote:

fine ill chime in.

Police need to make split second decisions sometimes. Sometimes they make the right choice and sometimes they make the wrong choice. The case of ferguson involves race and thats where all the emotion and anger is coming from. now i havent followed up on this that much but from what ive read the independant commission that oversaw this case found sufficent evidence that race has come into play in this town when making policing decisions for years a.k.a. cops in ferguson have been proven to make decisions based on racist behavior. Some cops are racist, some cops are not. some cops are jerks some cops are nice. Just like some of you on this forum are probably racist and some are not, some are probably nice people and some are probably not. Its life. I dont have the answers for any of it but i tend to be sympathetic to minorites because i believe they have mostly gotten the short end of the stick in this country for the last 500 years or so and it continues to this day. From my experience in talking with most outdoorsman and in reading through replies on this forum over the years i think most of you dont agree with me or dont care and think differently. Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, but i come here to learn how to become a better outdoorsman from the men and women on this site who can teach me things from their vast experience and in the rare instance that i have some advice to give back. I seek the outdoors to get away from this stuff so id rather not be reminded of the ugliness in the world here.

That’s all fair enough. If I were you I’d not read or post on topics not related to outdoor issue’s. I think it was rather clear from the topic that this was one of those non outdoor issue. It would be Great to not have to worry or think about anything in life other than hunting and fishing issue’s, but that is not the case for most people. I happen to think discussion on real world issues are needed, if anything is going to change and possibly get better. Even on a outdoor website. These are life issue’s and they will not go away by not seeing them or not talking about them. Everyone here has stayed calm so far so I don’t see a issue.

to clarify I am no saying what has happened was ok, obviously it’s not and I hope they catch whoever did it and send them to prison, but what I am saying is I have empathy for the frustrations of the people of Ferguson…how they deal with those frustrations is up to them and I hope collectively they decide to do something different other than shoot at each other

The Ferguson scene is completely messed up. The cops have handled this situation so poorly I’m embarrassed to be a white guy. The US Attorney Generals report on this police department confirms how bad it is.

Having said that, there is no excuse for using violence in a protest. These protests around the country crying to police injustice have made significant changes possible that would have taken years or decades to happen on their own.

These violent outlashings are threatening the progress made by these protestors.

That’s why I say Ferguson is so messed up, neither side can hold their heads high!

ET

Every early ice, every year, on every outdoors website, there is a post on the garbage (people) of our community leaving their trash piles behind, or even a little stack of CIG butts, beer can, empty minnow bag, etc.

We care about our community, we take time to be a part of it, and we call those out who are ruining it for others and ourselves.

Its really too bad other cultures don’t do the same, instead of blame it on the guys who are constantly “picking up their trash” for them.

It’s almost Friday guys…no one is gonna win this discussion..

I was about 10 miles from there when the cops got shot. All I can say is that entire area right now is a zoo. I was heading north to other dealers by about 6am and media trucks were coming in like ants to a picnic basket.

I saw the broadcast from the incident in Madison, WI and just about puked when i heard how that was portrayed. It was a minimal coverage story, but they clearly made the kid out to be an innocent stellar child that you would have thought just stepped out Church.

So anyways, after 900+ miles of driving this week, and all the windshield time to think – all I can come up with is how do we force the media to 1. Wait until all the facts are in 2. How do you force the media to provide ALL the facts. 3. How do you convey that statistics that they are stating are skewed? We all have witnessed so many times that statistics can me manipulated to prove or disprove dang near anything.

A customer in a store I was in gave this analogy. (paraphrased) If a farm has 100 fox and coyotes on it and the population breakdown is 50 fox and 50 coyotes. The farmer has 100 chickens killed in his chicken coupe. Of the 100 chickens killed, 80 were killed by fox and 20 by coyotes. So when the farmer starts trapping and shooting any predators coming into his chicken, do ya think he’ll kill more fox or coyotes?

I thought this was a clever analogy as most crimes will be committed by individuals that are in a repressed area. It doesn’t matter skin color or any other BS statistic they want to apply. If Ferguson had mostly white, pink, purple, yellow, green or any other flippin color living in a high density of poverty, they would be the majority committing crimes. So thank your media sources for the excessive need to pump up the drama. It’s their endless quest to dramatize everything for maximum impact that is contributing to our slipping backwards as a nation.

cougareye wrote:

The Ferguson scene is completely messed up. The cops have handled this situation so poorly I’m embarrassed to be a white guy. The US Attorney Generals report on this police department confirms how bad it is.

How can the US Attorney Generals report confirm “anything” ?
The way they handled this situation is probly the only thing that’s even MORE MESSED UP than how the local authorities did.

Media and politics. Money corrupts. And that is a neutral political statement, there are no good players players here.

I remember the journalism I was taught they emphasis was on just reporting facts and using objective language. Now you have “news channels” which are really just oped channels. Even when I hear an anchor on the local channel asking a reporters opinion like, “What’s the feeling down there” I shake my head.

The problem really is the audience, because the people either eat it up, forget or let their own bias get in the way.

Everyday there are stories of politicians obviously lying, being hypercritical or spewing demagoguery and depending on your own ideology, you either load it in the chamber or disregard it as rhetoric or explain it away with moral equivalency. And then there is the 3rd group of people who just don’t care because they have given up on the system and feel like it (or they) don’t matter.

mplspug wrote:

And then there is the 3rd group of people who just don’t care because they have given up on the system and feel like it (or they) don’t matter.

This is the most critical group. Despite Pug’s concern, the media makes it’s money by viewership, so they are only going to mirror the market. Truth is not and never has been involved. (Pug, while you were taking journalism101, i was taking PolSci101)

As long as a market stability can be maintained, i.e. the 3rd group doesn’t grow too large, things will remain the same. Once that stability has eroded, the all he!! breaks loose. I lived thru the fall of the govt in Peru from 68-72 and it was very ugly.

Ferguson has turned out to be a bad example for ANYONE to pin the hopes of their cause to. There is no poster child for any cause in Furguson.

Michael Brown is a bad, bad example for anyone wanting to forward the general notion that there is an overall level of police harassment and “targeting” of people of color.

And the Ferguson Police Department, as has been revealed, is a barrel with many bad apples.

The best possible thing that can happen is for everyone to step away from Ferguson as a cause celeb for anything. Let the people who live there get that town’s act together on both sides of the scale.

This whole situation has caused a dangerous polarization. We now have police departments like Minneapolis, who are crippled by fear and indecision and are therefore unable to respond to disorder out of fear that they will be seen as brutalizing protestors.

And you now have other extremists targeting police officers because they have been whipped up by hate mongers.

Add onto that that this is making an increasingly militarized law enforcement community understandably nervous. Only bad things can happen.

Grouse

crappie55369 wrote:

nswer

I don’t know anyone that’s 500 years old. I bet some nationality in my family heritage was a slave to a king in the past but I don’t look for people in modern society to make up for it. Racism is a only alive thanks to idiots.

example:
BET = Black entertainment television….. I don’t hear other races crying out about the extreme racially based and specific nature of this channel, but that’s because in this country the only “racists” in this world are Caucasian according to every story about racism that’s EVER been an issue.

consider this: if, as some people in this post have suggested, everything should be open for discussion and discussion is a crucial aspect to understanding, all of this i agree with and support – how many black people are represented here on this forum? Any? After all this is a discussion about race when its boiled down to its core so how can we have an honest discussion about race with only 1 race represented? I dont want to make false assumptions but of the 17 people involved in this post 14 of them have pictures of a white person as your avatar, which leaves 3 remaining as being possibly of a different race. Im going to go out on a limb here and say that everyone here is white. If you are going to find any value in a conversation race you will need to have more than one present