Northern Pike Spearing Returns To Mille Lacs

  • Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6019
    #1481630

    From WCCO.com

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    Northern Pike Spearing Returns To Mille Lacs Lake
    December 8, 2014 4:52 PM

    The return of northern pike spearing to Mille Lacs Lake for the first time in 32 years is generating a buzz among long-time spearers — and hope for resort owners whose fortunes long have been tied to the big lake’s struggling walleye population.

    Steve Deslauriers has been spearing elsewhere for around 20 years, so he was eager for the chance to try Mille Lacs, one of the state’s most popular fisheries. The Howard Lake man was pleased with what his family and friends found late last week.

    “Bar none, it was the best spearing experience we’ve ever had,” Deslauriers said Monday. “The opportunity to spear a big one was there. We saw a lot of fish.”

    Winter spearfishing is different from conventional ice angling or open-water spearing. It’s done from darkhouses that block out all outside light. That lets spearers see all the way to the bottom of the lake through a large hole in the floor. A spearer waits for a northern to investigate a decoy hanging above the bottom, then tries to impale the fish with a pitchfork-like spear. One of the appeals is that it’s possible to watch not only pike, but all the other fish swimming by.

    “Looking down one of these holes is just awesome. Our water in Mille Lacs is so clear,” said Daron Stenvold, owner of Fishermen’s Wharf Resort in Isle.

    Darkhouse spearing hasn’t been allowed on Mille Lacs since the winter of 1982-83. It was closed to build up muskellunge, an even bigger predator that bears a strong resemblance to the northern pike. But the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources decided earlier this year it was safe to reopen northern spearing.

    “The northern pike abundance is really high for Mille Lacs Lake, and there’s an ample number of smaller pike in the set, which will let us take a fairly large number of them without changing the population too much,” said Rick Bruesewitz, the agency’s area fisheries manager.

    Researchers still don’t know to what extent predation by northerns contributed to the decline in Mille Lacs’ walleye population, Bruesewitz said. But the agency wanted to ease the impact on local businesses from stringent restrictions imposed on walleye angling last spring. So it liberalized the lake’s northern and bass rules. Anglers and spearers can now keep 10 northerns from the lake, though only one can be more than 30 inches long.

    While the DNR encourages spearers to take smaller northerns, Nelle Phillips of Hunter Winfield’s Resort in Isle said many 40-inch-plus pike have been speared since the bays froze over.

    “We’re definitely getting the spear guys from other lakes because they know there’s big fish in this lake, and being closed this long they’ve got a better shot at getting one,” said Kari Hough, owner of Garrison Sports in Garrison. “There’s a lot of spear guys who never have speared this lake; they’re not old enough.”

    Dennis Johnson is old enough at 70. The Waconia man has been spearing for 50 years, but last week was his first time on Mille Lacs and it was everything he hoped for. The 16 pound, 2 ounce, 38-inch northern he hauled out last Tuesday was the second-largest of his career, behind only an 18½-pounder he speared elsewhere years ago.

    Johnson compared it to deer hunting. Just as a hunter waits in a tree stand for a buck to come into range, a spearer waits for a fish to swim into view.

    “You see that big northern down there and it gets your blood pumping,” he said. “It’s a thrill, yes it is.”

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22450
    #1481650

    I know a ton of people going up there and doing well. My boss got a 38″ last week… big healthy and gonna be awesome smoked ! They have hit Vineland Bay and are going to Wahkon Bay this week… there are rental houses available for $75 a day on the south end. For a beginner, it couldn’t be any better circumstances, rent a house and equipment, and with Mille Lacs clear water, lots of opportunity and see if it’s your thing !

    692fisherman
    champlin mn
    Posts: 370
    #1481750

    just wait till a novice “spearer” hits a musky and the internet forums will be blowing up….. cause it will happen and quick!!!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22450
    #1481753

    Yeah, like that one is totally different than the hundreds killed every summer legally… and the internet lighting up…nothing is different IMHO.

    Will Roseberg
    Moderator
    Hanover, MN
    Posts: 2121
    #1481784

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K3aQgkLCB40

    Know before you throw…

    That video caused quite a bit of stir on FB last week Tim.

    I’m on the same page as Big G… If we ever see/hear of someone spearing a fish illegally that’s what TIP is for BUT it would/will be an overreaction bashing all spear fisherman if one guy does something stupid (whether intentional or not).

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6019
    #1481803

    Not sure it that is spear marks or musky bite? But don’t forget the tribe can and do spear walleye – or any other fish they want.

    -J.

    patk
    Nisswa, MN
    Posts: 1997
    #1481814

    I’ve very conflicted on this topic. Helping those folks who make a living up there is a very good thing.

    On the other hand we post here and commissions wonder how we can improve our Pike fishing. Then I read about someone getting a 38″ that’s not cpr.

    Seems we’re serious about increasing the size of our pike statewide in thoughts not actions.

    I’m in the minority as my favorite is pike. Would I like to try spearing? Definitely? What I would like more is to have quality size pike south of the Canadian border.

    What to do:???:

    mwal
    Rosemount,MN
    Posts: 1050
    #1481821

    Looked at video The marks are running length of fish and the spacing are wrong. Pike spear are usually 7 to 9 tines 1 to 1 1/2 inches apart. So the wounds do not look right especially the one towards the tail there would be marks in between. Also if you were trying to prove a point about spearing wouldn’t hold it up with the wounds towards the camera.

    Mwal

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11626
    #1481829

    Yeah, like that one is totally different than the hundreds killed every summer legally… and the internet lighting up…nothing is different IMHO.

    Totally agree. I don’t know where this idea comes from, the idea that because somebody, at some time, might do something wrong, therefore this speculation becomes the justification for stopping everyone from doing it.

    Also, the resorts and businesses on/near the lake are always brought up as a concern when the conversation is about open water and walleye fishing. Well, here’s a chance to attract another kind of fisherman at a different time of year. Some business owners will want to cater to them, some won’t. That’s their choice, but at least there’s something happening in terms of presenting the opportunity.

    Grouse

    Brandon Brackey
    Posts: 20
    #1481833

    I know that the resorts on the lake and the people who enjoy pike spearing are really happy about this but I guess I feel pretty sad to hear of people lining up to spear a bunch of big pike. I know it is legal and to each there own but man, it took years to get the Mille Lacs pike population in this sort of shape and now it seems like it can all be thrown away in the hope that this will lead to more walleyes. I have always had a lot of respect for spear fisherman as they are continuing a pretty cool tradition, but I am also a huge fan of CPR of big fish and pretty hard to do that with a big spear in their back.

    D. Walker
    Lakeville MN
    Posts: 21
    #1481844

    I have speared for a few decades but never on Mille Lacs. I prefer to spear eaters and have passes on many, many large pike. I am not a trophy fisherman and personally know of very few spear fisherman that are. Does anyone know of hot areas for pike spearing on Mille Lacs? I suspect that the SE bay near Isle may be a good area to target. Any advice is appreciated!

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 11917
    #1481848

    For those who are against Musky being in their Walleye waters ( and there are more than a few of those ) this will make it rather easy to help them thin the #’s of Musky out. The next thing we will be reading in a few years is where have all the Musky gone. I think the DNR just can’t do anything correct when it comes to this Lake. Messed up the Walleye fishing, doing their best to mess up the smallmouth Bass fishing, Now lets mess up most likely both Northern and Musky on the lake. They might as well just poison the lake and get to the point quicker.

    692fisherman
    champlin mn
    Posts: 370
    #1481858

    agreeded fishthumper…. its a double edge sword. we want to see mille lacs improve and grow, most of us on here a avid sportsman but there are a lot of novice people throwing spears…. and I might be wrong big g, but I have a hard time believing that there are hundreds of muskies being killed every year legally…….

    x2 tim schmitz, I hope the rental house owners are preaching to the renters that they make dam sure you know what your throwing at before you throw the spear.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6019
    #1481865

    I think what big g means is musky caught legally while fishing other species then killed (or delayed mortality) by angler mishandling. Easily a hundred or more go down that way. Same way big walleye go down. That 10 minute photo session after flopping on the hot floor kinda thing…..

    -J.

    Timmy
    Posts: 1235
    #1481867

    For those who are against Musky being in their Walleye waters ( and there are more than a few of those ) this will make it rather easy to help them thin the #’s of Musky out. The next thing we will be reading in a few years is where have all the Musky gone. I think the DNR just can’t do anything correct when it comes to this Lake. Messed up the Walleye fishing, doing their best to mess up the smallmouth Bass fishing, Now lets mess up most likely both Northern and Musky on the lake. They might as well just poison the lake and get to the point quicker.

    I don’t feel that argument about all the muskies being in danger are valid in any way shape or form.

    Vermillion, Leech, (and now) Cass, Lake Bemidji are all musky destinations that produce huge fish on a regular basis and they all allow spearing. I speared Vermillion for many years and to be honest, I saw a lot of muskies swim through the hole. There is no mistaking one. I would bet that a few muskies do get speared there this winter – just the same as a few people get trigger happy and shoot a sub-legal buck in an APR zone, or kill a hen pheasant in the heat of the moment, or kill a walleye that is 1/16″ over the slot minimum…… But to imply that the spearfishing crowd as a whole is out to spear any and all muskies they can is just plain irresponsible at best. Let the violation rate show the trend……most spearers are following the laws, and a bad egg here and there should not be used to punish the rest of us.

    T

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 11917
    #1481878

    Timmy
    I did not mean to imply in any way that Musky will be Killed by mistake. I simply mean that for those people who hate the fact that Musky are even in the lake ( And there are many of them ) now have a easy way to Thin the #’s rather easy. In the Past they would have needed to catch one to kill it. Now they can simply put a spear into it within a Dark house and then pull it off and let it swim away to die. I have heard more than one Mille Lacs diehard walleye fisherman says they will BONK any Musky they catch – Sad but true. That in addition to a 10 fish northern limit. By the time the DNR realize the #’s of northern being taken by spear fisherman and attempt to correct it and we will have another discussion of What has happened to all the Northern in the lake. Just to be clear I am not one of those in favor of the BONK Musky crowd. I am smart enough to know that both Musky and walleye can coexist in the same lake and both thrive.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6019
    #1481887

    I have heard more than one Mille Lacs diehard walleye fisherman says they will BONK any Musky they catch – Sad but true.

    Sad but true. I gotta back fishthumper up on that comment. I have had musky boatside with offers from other boats to do the “Bonking” then get cursed for letting the fish go.

    -J.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6019
    #1481891

    Count me as a guy who wants the lake to return to primarily be a walleye factory. I have little faith that the DNR knows what they are doing. Or the legal power to do what is needed. But I’ll go along with the dart game for now. The over population of bass took a good beat down this summer. Personally don’t think there is an overabundance of pike, but less competition for walleye food the better. If that results in more perch, even better!

    More personal observations. Two consecutive years of late ice out putting a huge limit on spring tribal netting has been the best thing to happen in years. We have a huge numbers of 10-12 inch walleye coming up the system right now. Thank you mother nature. DNR – don’t hurt yourself slapping your backs.

    The fix for Mille Lacs is easy. Stop spring tribal netting. Get that done and everything else easily falls into place.

    -J.

    Timmy
    Posts: 1235
    #1481964

    Fish thumper- I honestly believe that to be true, but I do not think it is very common. A lot of guys talk tough, but in the moment of truth, they aren’t willing to actually commit a violation. I believe that the vast majority of fisherman(anglers and spear fisherman alike) are law abiding and try to do the right thing. The slobs that you speak of are the minority, and in reality, the average spear guy is not going to see a bunch of muskies…..they just won’t. In years of spearing vermillion, I saw many, but for every musky I saw, I saw 30 pike…….they are just not that common.

    IMO – if the northern lakes musky populations can survive a bunch of jackpine savages out spearing, I think ML can as well. At least I hope so.

    T

    john23
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 2578
    #1482005

    As big pike (and muskies) are the best way to control the population of small pike, I hope most of the spearers think like D Walker, above. If that’s the case I think it makes a ton of sense. If instead a bunch of big pike are removed from the system I’d expect more of the same walleye and pike issues that people are concerned about today.

    Will Roseberg
    Moderator
    Hanover, MN
    Posts: 2121
    #1482131

    I think there are two interesting lessons here… The biological lesson here is that you can’t manage a lake to be everything all at once. As great a fishery as Mille Lacs is it can’t support being a Trophy walleye, Muskie, Pike, and Smallmouth lake all at the same time. Not only that but years ago it would kick out amazing numbers of giant perch; however that went out the window when the special regulations were put place resulting in an unhealthy balance of large predator fish.

    The second lesson is one of human nature… Give a man a free cookie one day and the next day he will be mad if you don’t give him a free cookie again. After years of overly restricting harvest on Mille Lacs the DNR finally learns lesson #1 and starts loosening the harvest restrictions (I do get that it is a bit hypocritical to go from one extreme to the other so quickly) and now everyone feels like they still deserve a free cookie.

    692fisherman
    champlin mn
    Posts: 370
    #1482199

    you know this conversation has gone so many different ways, im out…

    jon amundson
    Posts: 143
    #1482311

    i Bet All Yhe Musky Spearing Done In wisconsin By Natives Must Be HarD If You Never See Them? Spend Any Time Shallow In A Good Musky Lake Lots Of SightinGs. I Have To Disagree With Not Being Seen. In A Spear Setting.

    nubbinbuck
    Posts: 922
    #1482633

    x2

    I know that the resorts on the lake and the people who enjoy pike spearing are really happy about this but I guess I feel pretty sad to hear of people lining up to spear a bunch of big pike. I know it is legal and to each there own but man, it took years to get the Mille Lacs pike population in this sort of shape and now it seems like it can all be thrown away in the hope that this will lead to more walleyes. I have always had a lot of respect for spear fisherman as they are continuing a pretty cool tradition, but I am also a huge fan of CPR of big fish and pretty hard to do that with a big spear in their back.

    ducksmuggler
    Red Wing, MN
    Posts: 155
    #1492985

    With all the doom and gloom about musky’s getting speared has anyone heard of one getting speared? I had a friend put up some cool video of musky’s swimming through his hole….

    for everything I hear and from friends that have put many hours in the darkhouse, its mostly been lots of dogs fish taken along with a few pike!

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1492987

    There was one over 50″ that was brought into Terry’s to get weighed. Terry told him to leave immediately, from what I understand.

    ducksmuggler
    Red Wing, MN
    Posts: 155
    #1492991

    I would have told them to hang on and then call the DNR…..

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #1493029

    There was one over 50″ that was brought into Terry’s to get weighed. Terry told him to leave immediately, from what I understand.

    Someone brought in a speared musky to terry’s? I find that hard to believe. Why would someone do that? That would be like bringing in a stringer with 12 walleye on it saying you caught em’ all!?

    TripleA
    Blaine
    Posts: 655
    #1493037

    may as well ruin the trophy pike fishery too I guess…. chasing the walleye money at the expense of the fishery seems wrong to me, but the DNR mis-managed and now they are just hoping to turn it around on a whim it seems.

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