Noone likes to work……

  • tucrs
    NW Metro
    Posts: 999
    #1626134

    I must have been the last generation to have a shop class in my school. I know it was closed shortly after I graduated. We had a full wood and metal shop.

    I think our society needs to change the views of the trade labor. Going to a 4 year school and working a full time job plus making fishing rods at night to supplement was not easy. I took on all side jobs I could. I graduating with a 2 year and 4 year degree at 22 I was pretty proud of that….
    But I think I would have been better off becoming a machinist, or a something with the auto trade. I think a lot is said for hard work vs. sitting at a desk all day.

    Maybe this would solve all kinds of other issues America faces if people got up and went outside and built things again.

    I look at it this way. How many kids 18-30 are restoring a car, street rod or bike. Not just putting a tuner chip in it and calling it upgraded.

    Not to knock my generation but I am amazed how many people don’t know how to open their hood on their car.

    patk
    Nisswa, MN
    Posts: 1997
    #1626143

    Three more thoughts and a comment

    1. “This new generation just doesn’t have the work ethic”. Not saying its’ wrong but doesn’t every generation say that about the one following?

    2. My parents were farm kids who went to college, all they messaged was to go to school to get a good job. When I worked construction, every one of my bosses said, “why aren’t you in school, what the hell are you doing here”. Ultimately I listened and now work on a keyboard.

    3. All “trade” schools may not be what you think. Military was brought up as a good example. There are trade schools to fix computers just like cars or plumbing. Just because the geek works indoors doesn’t mean they didn’t learn a “trade”, just not in the traditional sense.

    Comment – X2, great thread and so awesome that everyone is keeping this civil. Been an enjoyable read

    bzzsaw
    Hudson, Wi
    Posts: 3478
    #1626154

    My dad earned a living as a union brick layer. He started his own masonry business when I was pretty young. I think the best education he gave me was having me work as a laborer for him starting when I was in 7th grade. I got to work for him full time every summer until I graduated from college. Most of my friends got to head to the beach every day during the summer. I got to get up at 7 am to get a load of sand and mix mud most days. I actually really enjoyed to work and working outside. I also saw the wear and tear this had on guys.

    I got to see how hard my dad had to work to earn a living. He worked with his crews during the day. Met clients at night and weekends to bid jobs, order materials, run payroll, billing, etc. And then hoped he got paid.

    My degree was in computer science. I’ve been fortunate and have had 4 jobs since college in the past 29 years. I’ve never not had a job. I get paid decent but have also made sacrifices. Like missing the past WI walleye opener because we were implementing Germany on new systems (18 hrs per day for 16 days straight as a salaried employee).

    Regardless of which path you choose, you need to be willing to bust your ass if you want to get ahead.

    If I were to pick a trade to pursue now, it would be…… HVAC.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6011
    #1626184

    Was just talking to a plumber this morning that is offering a $7500 sign on bonus. Only has had one person apply. Guess its much easier for folks to sit around whining and being poor than get to work. Between parents and the government the teets strech a long way in this country. On the flip side for those young folks that want to work the future is bright for them.

    Interesting article in today’s Strib.

    Mike W – Can I refer you to Bonfes? I’ll split the $100 a month with ya! Big question is do they have free beer Fridays????

    Top Workplaces: Minnesota employers want you

    With a tightening labor pool and below-average unemployment, Minnesota companies are offering unusual incentives to attract and retain qualified workers.

    By Katy Read Star Tribune

    June 24, 2016 — 11:01am

    Want to make an extra $100 every month, indefinitely, for doing nothing?

    Well, almost nothing. You just have to find a plumber and refer him or her to Bonfe Plumbing, Heating & Air Service in St. Paul. If Bonfe hires your candidate, the company will pay you — you, random member of the public who doesn’t even work for Bonfe — a cool Benjamin a month as long as that plumber stays with Bonfe.

    Tempted to round up a bunch of plumbers and turn it into a nice little side business?

    Good luck with that. The human resources professionals whose whole job is recruiting plumbers — or electricians, health-care providers, construction workers, financial specialists, truck drivers and many other workers in a wide variety of industries — are having a tough enough time of it themselves these days.

    “We’re always recruiting, always looking for people, always working through the process and interviewing,” said Betsy Senarighi, Bonfe’s human resources manager, who is also in the market for electricians, appliance technicians and HVAC installers. Bonfe’s current limited-time deal applies only to plumbers, but the company frequently offers other recruiting specials. “It’s pretty rare that our needs are full at any given time,” she says.

    Bonfe’s program is more outside-the-box than most. But as Minnesota businesses — even companies that, like Bonfe, are on the Star Tribune’s 2016 Top Workplaces list — face an ever-tightening labor market they’ve had to up their game for hiring and retaining qualified workers.

    Sport Ngin employees unwind at the end of a Monday work shift.

    Sport Ngin employees unwind at the end of a Monday work shift.

    Companies are enticing employees with such incentives as signing bonuses, flexible schedules, opportunities to work remotely, and paid parental leave. Not to mention employee appreciation programs. Pizza parties. Casual Fridays — along with casual Mondays through Thursdays. Dog-friendly offices. Yoga classes. Donut Thursdays.

    What about plain old money? Nationally, that hasn’t been happening, at least not so far. According to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, employee compensation (including wages and benefits) as a percentage of gross domestic product peaked in 1970 and has been declining pretty steadily since then. It’s currently near 60-year lows, barely budging since the latest recession. During that same period, corporate profits have zoomed to nearly 60-year highs.

    A tightening labor market could start to push wages up. With the baby boomer generation entering retirement age — 10,000 people a day turn 65, and will continue doing so until about 2030 — the number of available employees is shrinking across a wide variety of industries.

    Surprised? You’re not alone. For many people, memories of recessionary unemployment are still fresh.

    But that’s so 2009. The market turned between 2010 and 2015, when the labor force grew by less than half a percent a year, the lowest rate since World War II, according to a report by the Conference Board, a business research organization. The report warns of shrinking labor supplies, even labor shortages, in the United States and other countries.

    Nationally, the tightest job markets, according to the report, include occupational and physical therapy, math and science occupations, health care, religious workers, skilled labor (plant and system operators, transportation workers, machinists, installation and repair specialists), social scientists and construction workers.

    State’s labor pool is shrinking

    Minnesota’s May unemployment rate of 3.8 percent was lower than the national average of 4.7 percent. That trend will continue, the Conference Board report said. The number of people currently 13 to 17 years old compared to people between 50 and 64 — that is, people who will enter the workforce over the next decade versus those who will make their exit — is fewer than 1:1, the report said. That’s great news for job seekers, but not for employers, or for the state’s economic growth. A stagnant labor force also erodes tax revenue, just when an aging population needs more public services.

    Demographic trends shape the overall labor market, but hard-hit industries struggle for specific reasons of their own.

    For example, trade jobs are misperceived as dirty and low-paying work, Senarighi said. She pointed out that actually those workers can match new graduates’ wages without shouldering burdensome student loans. Similarly, the construction industry is hurting because so many workers left it when the market crashed.

    Financial, technology and home-health businesses are growing fast and sprouting more jobs than there are candidates. Truckers are disappearing as older drivers retire.

    “At one time, the truck driver was looked at kind of a cowboy out on the road, seeing the country, highly respected,” said Megan Gaffney, director of marketing for Transport Corporation of America in Eagan. “Over time that perception has fallen away.”

    But truck drivers still play a vital role in the economy, Gaffney said. “If you bought it, a trucker brought it.”

    Home health care services face “absolutely a battle between companies trying to get the best people,” said Sara Collison, director of human resources at Cardinal of Minnesota, a Rochester-based home health service. “We don’t want to fill the position, just because we need to, with somebody who can breathe.”

    To attract skilled candidates, Cardinal concentrates on creating an appealing culture. Its “when work works” program offers flexible scheduling. “We get Monday 3-5, Tuesday 8-3 — really bizarre schedules,” Collison said. “Our schedules look really funny because we try to keep the people we have instead of denying their request.”

    Also popular are accelerated training programs that let people fresh out of school catch up with more experienced colleagues. People Incorporated, a St. Paul nonprofit offering mental health services, has traditionally hired people with a few years’ career experience, but has started offering trainee positions to new graduates. “We really liked their energy and their enthusiasm and their preparedness,” said Sarah Gasparini, People Incorporated’s talent acquisitions specialist. Even people without bachelor’s degrees can train into professional-level roles over three years.

    In the burgeoning technology field, “boot-camp”-style training equips people with job skills without their having to spend four years getting a computer science degree. Some companies have instituted in-house training programs.

    “Even if they’re lacking some of the skills, we can train on the skills,” said Terah Ramaekers, director of talent acquisition for PowerObjects in Minneapolis. “I think a lot of organizations are starting to look at that model in general, if you find good people and they fit your core values.”

    Free beer!

    Employee incentives in the tech industry are also famously colorful. Minneapolis-based sports software company Sport Ngin is among a number that celebrate Fridays with in-house happy hours.

    “We have free beer and gin taps flowing,” said Jim Dahline, director of marketing. “That may extend to some of the other days of the week, but I’ll leave that to the imagination. It’s an incredible workspace.”

    But wait, there’s more! Sport Ngin offers an attractive benefits package, doughnuts every Thursday and, perhaps most enticing, good salaries that stretch further than they would in, say, Silicon Valley — employees needn’t “pay $8,000 a month for an apartment in San Francisco or whatever it goes for,” he said.

    Dahline has noticed the labor pool shrinking a bit over the past couple of years, but said Sport Ngin hasn’t hurt for hires — with the relative scarcity of retirement-age workers in the tech industry possibly as important a factor as free beer.

    Meanwhile, some companies focus on retaining employees by simply showing them they’re appreciated, reminding them they’re integral to the organization’s success.

    Cardinal of Minnesota starts all meetings by going around the room and recognizing individuals’ achievements. Transport Corporation of America authorizes truck drivers to make their own decisions on the road; if bad weather threatens driving conditions, the drivers make the call to pull over rather than being ordered to ride it out.

    “We all rally around that idea that as an entire organization we’re making their lives easier, creating a positive culture, treating them with respect, calling them by a name and not by a number,” Gaffney said. “We’ve won a lot of awards for our customer satisfaction, but they’re closely related. If we can keep our drivers happy they’re going to do a better job of serving our customers.”

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1626196

    ^^^^^^ sleeping

    Anyway…my son-in-law starts school this fall for plumbing!! Who knew…I’ll collect the $100 yay

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1626210

    This whole generation crap really is baffling to me. I really need to get a book detailing what people want nowadays. Whatever happened to you work for me, and the more money you make me the more I pay you. Simple concept. Employee finds a company that they believe in, company finds employee they believe in and go for it. All these incentives, of beer, and games, and blah blah good lord are we all suppose to be the bestest frienda ever or what!!! ???

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11575
    #1626219

    There are some union diesel mechanics knocking down some serious coin.

    One of my younger cousins is a diesel mechanic, he got his education courtesy of the US Navy. This does not really work like it did in the old days, he got sent to a lot of factory training / OEM as if he worked for a truck dealership.

    Anyway, he went to a couple of career fair things when he was thinking of getting out. He went up to the booth of a large national trucking company and said, “I’m a diesel mech…”

    That’s all he got out. The recruiter dragged him off behind closed doors like a freaking kindnapping. They they handed him off to another guy. They wouldn’t let him out of their sight.

    Suddenly the “closer” came in and offered him a $25,000 cash signing bonus plus $50k if he stayed with the company 2 years, plus a salary and bonus that produces a reliable $125k a year.

    So as joke, Glenn looks at “The Closer” and says, “Well, that’s fine, but I really wanted a new truck…”

    He had an F250 3 days later…

    Grouse

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5621
    #1626236

    “Whatever happened to you work for me, and the more money you make me the more I pay you.”

    In the companies I’ve worked at, what you said is science fiction. The guys on manager row might get raises if some goal is met, but for the people doing the work…..well they’re lucky to get a cost-of-living adjustment. The harder you work, the more is expected of you for the same pay. Personally I haven’t had any kind of a raise in three years, and I know a lot of people like that.

    I wish I wasn’t so old, I might go to school and learn plumbing or diesel mechanics.

    SR

    Jonny Anderson
    Morris,MN
    Posts: 20
    #1626243

    The bottom line is that the younger generation has no work ethic. There is no pride in their work. There is no satisfaction in working hard and getting paid, and earning money. The value of a dollar has been lost.
    I am 31 years old. I have been working in the construction trades since I’ve been 15. I went trade school for Carpentry right out of high school. My school counselor told me that given my GPA was over 3.5 I should attend a 4 year school. She told me that I would have the rest of my life to be a carpenter. What a bunch BS!! I was raised in a family that worked hard and I was taught early on in life what it meant to have pride in your work and the value of a dollar. I’m currently a commercial carpenter. I love my job.I love the variety of work. I enjoy seeing the seasons change. I enjoy building things that will last many generations. I come home everyday knowing I contributed back to America and did my part to help Make America Great Again!!! As far as the physical nature of the job. It is physical at times, but new technology has helped that aspect out. I would rather come home sore anyday knowing I accomplished something that day rather than sitting in front of a computer not getting anything done eating donuts getting fat. I’m also a volunteer firefighter. I have been a member of the fire service for 9 years. Most recently serving as a Captain. You think its tough getting the young guys to work in the trades. Try getting them to volunteer for a rural fire service that responds to a 100 calls a year and has meetings and drills every other Monday! Lets clean up Washington. Shut the spicket off to programs and encourage youth to work in the trades. They will be rewarded with a nice living.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13292
    #1626254

    ^^^^^^ sleeping

    Anyway…my son-in-law starts school this fall for plumbing!! Who knew…I’ll collect the $100 <img src=”//www.in-depthoutdoors.com/wp-content/smilies/icon_yay.gif” alt=”yay”

    Way to go. Hope its union. Even tho im not in the union anymore i still think thats where the best pay and opportunities are.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10366
    #1626284

    Awesome Thread!
    My $.02
    I’ve been in the trades since “87” started as a roofer, now I’m a small GC.
    Here’s what I’ve noticed.
    There is always work out there if you are dependable and work hard.
    For every lazy new generation kid there is a old school lazy guy, period.
    As far as the trades, My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter so it seems we’ve always had Carpenters and will always need carpenters.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16638
    #1626286

    Before closing my business I ran a (15-20 employees) business. I had people actually come in and beg for a job. They were behind on payments, kids / wife had health problems ect. ect ect. You would be surprised how many I would hire and their very FIRST day they were late. Their second day they needed to leave early. By weeks end they needed a couple days off the following week. These were general labor positions and granted didn’t pay $70k a year. What I determined is there are people who like being broke, like living check to check, like working as little as possible. These are the same people who will have a work comp claim within weeks of getting a job. These are also the people our government will support with my tax dollars.

    When you work for somebody it’s YOUR job to work to get ahead in life. The employer isn’t obligated to carry employees that feel entitled. To the younger guys go to work, do your job, take care of your families. You will be surprised how you end up making more money and your life gets easier. Nobody is handing you anything.

    Nick, cozy up to some college / high school coaches, there are always some kids who need to pick-up money in the summer. You might even find a guy who will stick with you awhile. Athletics teaches hard work and patience will produce results.

    FryDog62
    Posts: 3696
    #1626294

    Before closing my business I ran a (15-20 employees) business. I had people actually come in and beg for a job. They were behind on payments, kids / wife had health problems ect. ect ect. You would be surprised how many I would hire and their very FIRST day they were late. Their second day they needed to leave early. By weeks end they needed a couple days off the following week. These were general labor positions and granted didn’t pay $70k a year. What I determined is there are people who like being broke, like living check to check, like working as little as possible. These are the same people who will have a work comp claim within weeks of getting a job. These are also the people our government will support with my tax dollars.

    When you work for somebody it’s YOUR job to work to get ahead in life. The employer isn’t obligated to carry employees that feel entitled. To the younger guys go to work, do your job, take care of your families. You will be surprised how you end up making more money and your life gets easier. Nobody is handing you anything.

    Nick, cozy up to some college / high school coaches, there are always some kids who need to pick-up money in the summer. You might even find a guy who will stick with you awhile. Athletics teaches hard work and patience will produce results.

    Well stated view of the working population…

    We are a nation of “makers” or “takers” and I ask my kids which one they want to be…

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16638
    #1626305

    People are either……

    Employers
    Employees
    Sponges

    This of course does not include stay at home parents who IMO do more to shape a persons ethics then any group including teachers.

    mallardmayhem
    Spicer, MN
    Posts: 68
    #1626335

    The bottom line is that the younger generation has no work ethic. There is no pride in their work. There is no satisfaction in working hard and getting paid, and earning money. The value of a dollar has been lost.
    Couldn’t agree more Jonny!
    I too am 31 years old and get great satisfaction in working hard day in and day out. I tell people I believe I was born in the wrong generation. I started landscaping at the young age of 13 and continued to work for the same company for 15 years. I truly believe those years of working hard day in and day out blood, sweat, and tears has made me who I am today and appreciate all I have. I went to HS with alot of kids that were given alot throughout their schooling and never had to work for what they had. They couldn’t understand how I could afford to go north every weekend and buy a new truck at 22 and boat at 25. If you work hard it does pay off!!! What is really astonishing is it is a small world and word gets around on your work ethic. Teach your kids how to work hard no matter what they do at a young age and they will succeed!
    BTW… Great thread!

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1626348

    Speaking with my cousin who lays wire in Fargo, says they are seeing the same things up there. Apparently Microsoft has some new buildings going up and to incentive the people from Cali and whatnot to move out there, they’re offering practically free housing, and they ain’t cheap. Which can’t be built fast enough.

    Here’s the kicker, and Im not sure I fully understood, but in the contracts not one worker can be from in state. What the duece? The tax breaks they give, now taking our workers, that’s pretty ruthless neighbor.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11575
    #1626366

    There is nothing wrong with any choice of any career, but the skilled trades have suffered badly from 2 things:

    – Bad PR and marketing. Let’s face it, the trades have not done a good job promoting what they actually DO and what the work is really like.

    Back in the last century, this didn’t matter because so many young people grew up on farms and had shop class in school. They got insight into these jobs and what they were good at through these experiences. Others participated in activities and/or summer jobs that showed them what a mechanic, welder, roofer, plumber, carpenter, etc actually did and what the work was like.

    These days, kids get almost none of this. Only in the last few years have the trades REALLY started stepping up to make their case.

    – Bad perceptions. Some of these are real, some are unfair, but perception is reality.

    I spoke last year to a young woman from the Tulsa School of Welding. She had won a contest there as part of their Welding Rodeo and now she has graduated and is with a company in Ohio. She had a certain old soul wisdom and as part of the piece she gave some very good insight into what’s perceived to be missing in the trades:

    1. Women. This young woman said that the response to her on a job site or in a shop was still nothing short of hilarious. Basically, everything you can imagine that would happen if a 20 year old attractive blonde girl would walk onto a job site or into a shop had happened to her. Most of it was just funny and unintentional stuff, but a lot of it would put off women workers very quickly.

    2. The truth. She said her parents had almost gone off the deep end when she said she wanted to weld for a living. This goes back to what I said earlier, they did not understand the nature of the trade or what it would be like. They also did not understand the compensation that was available or the demand.

    This young woman got hired 2 years BEFORE she completed her welding degree as part of a program run by heavy equipment repair and leasing company. The job involves going from shop to shop doing specialist welding jobs, mainly on big machines and manufacturing equipment.

    It’s basically the opposite of what her parents pictured in every way.

    Her school will be paid for (about $90,000 all in) as part of a signing bonus from her company after she stays for 3 years. She has full insurance, 401k, a truck that she gets to keep after she stays 3 years, and gets bonuses on top of a $60,000 starting salary.

    All of this is pretty good for a 21 year old, maybe the exception in some ways, but it proves the rule. Parents and kids these days don’t understand the work or the opportunities.

    Grouse

    mojogunter
    Posts: 3297
    #1626369

    Good for her. I think 90k on a 4 year degree is ridiculous, and 90k to be certified as a welder must be another school owned by Donald Trump. A smart way to become certified is join an apprenticeship union and work at half pay scale to start ($18 an hour in MN local 512) and go to class after work.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11735
    #1626371

    Good for her. I think 90k on a 4 year degree is ridiculous, and 90k to be certified as a welder must be another school owned by Donald Trump. A smart way to become certified is join an apprenticeship union and work at half pay scale to start ($18 an hour in MN local 512) and go to class after work.

    well put. I am a union rep for a union in the welding field. our apprenticeship is a 4 year deal. while everyone dems in particular are trying to shut us down,………..think coal plants, some of these apprentices made close to 100 grand. just need to want to work and travel, the work is there.

    we see a good turnout for signups but unfortunetly some don’t cut the mustard! our shops pay good to with good benny’s!!! like some have posted some of these younger folks don’t want to get dirty but the trades is a good field!!!

    MNdrifter
    Posts: 1671
    #1626390

    I’m assuming (and I’m probbably wrong) but being she went to school in Tulsa OK, she went to school and is doing her apprenticeship with the 798 local, pipeline welders union. Being an ex pipeline operator I hope she sticks with it. That is a great local to be in. They’re the ones who built the Alaskan pipeline and they have a long reputation as being the best.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11575
    #1626448

    In full disclosure, I don’t know what she included in the cost she stated or if it was accurate.

    If it was accurate, it still didn’t seem like a bad investment to me. Any education that puts a young person in a position to earn more than half their educational investment back in their first working year seems like a pretty good return. I certainly cannot claim the same for my marketing degree. In the early 1990s stagnant economy, I had to look long and hard and long again for a job that broke 20k and I ended up settling for 19,400. Almost 33% of what college had cost.

    Grouse

    brad-o
    Mankato
    Posts: 410
    #1626471

    195
    AUTHOR: Socrates (469–399 B.C.)
    QUOTATION: The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

    As a young guy I had to throw this out for the thread.

    tegg
    Hudson, Wi/Aitkin Co
    Posts: 1450
    #1626492

    I think what’s probably fair to say is…
    Nobody’s peak value as an employee occurs in their early 20s.

    matt
    Posts: 659
    #1626516

    Worked for a company for 5 years.When I started there was me and another guy doing the job I was hired for.After a few months it was just me once the owner realized I could do the job myself that he previously needed 2 people for.I was never late didnt call in sick and worked my ass off even cutting down on the time needed to do the jobs.After 5 years with no raise sorry but see ya later.I saved that guy alot of money,do you think he threw any my way?I have worked in the union as well.Even better there you make the same as the lazy s.o.b. thats late half the time or doesnt even show up and when he does show up you get to do his job as well while he stands there watching.I really enjoyed getting laid off and still having to go and pay my union dues and paying for my insurance.What I got for hard work was a couple of bad knees,carple tunnel and who knows what other health issues down the road.I still do some of it but not too often and when theres a younger kid helping on a jobsite I make sure to tell them to find something they enjoy and go to school,rarely do I see them on a jobsite again.Cant say I blame them.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11735
    #1626635

    Worked for a company for 5 years.When I started there was me and another guy doing the job I was hired for.After a few months it was just me once the owner realized I could do the job myself that he previously needed 2 people for.I was never late didnt call in sick and worked my ass off even cutting down on the time needed to do the jobs.After 5 years with no raise sorry but see ya later.I saved that guy alot of money,do you think he threw any my way?I have worked in the union as well.Even better there you make the same as the lazy s.o.b. thats late half the time or doesnt even show up and when he does show up you get to do his job as well while he stands there watching.I really enjoyed getting laid off and still having to go and pay my union dues and paying for my insurance.What I got for hard work was a couple of bad knees,carple tunnel and who knows what other health issues down the road.I still do some of it but not too often and when theres a younger kid helping on a jobsite I make sure to tell them to find something they enjoy and go to school,rarely do I see them on a jobsite again.Cant say I blame them.

    doah sleeping whistling ???

    belletaine
    Nevis, MN
    Posts: 5116
    #1626644

    The bottom line is that the younger generation has no work ethic. There is no pride in their work. There is no satisfaction in working hard and getting paid, and earning money. The value of a dollar has been lost.
    Couldn’t agree more Jonny!
    That’s painting with a pretty broad brush.

    mxskeeter
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts: 3740
    #1626645

    Before closing my business I ran a (15-20 employees) business. I had people actually come in and beg for a job. They were behind on payments, kids / wife had health problems ect. ect ect. You would be surprised how many I would hire and their very FIRST day they were late. Their second day they needed to leave early. By weeks end they needed a couple days off the following week. These were general labor positions and granted didn’t pay $70k a year. What I determined is there are people who like being broke, like living check to check, like working as little as possible. These are the same people who will have a work comp claim within weeks of getting a job.
    These are also the people our government will support with my tax dollars.

    We also have social workers that TELL some of these lazy SOB’s how they only have to work approximately 5 to 6 months and then they can collect unemployment benefits AND file income tax for the year and get back triple what they paid the Fed. Gov. because of the erned income credits they get. Gripes my ars.
    H & R Block lives off these people and cleans house by keeping roughly 30% of there return. They give them there 70% on the spot and keep the rest. It’s BS. flame
    Our government(us) just keep giving the our money back to them.

    Dan
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3762
    #1626660

    That’s painting with a pretty broad brush.

    For every lazy new generation kid there is a old school lazy guy, period.

    I’m glad to see a few other folks make replies of this nature. I think it’s always been a societal thing to think you had it worse and worked harder than the next guy as it gets said so frequently.

    To me, like most issues in our society, it comes down to how a person is raised, the environment they grew up in, etc.

    I’m not trying to be too defensive, but like others have pointed out there are a lot of folks painting anyone younger than them with a broad brush. I’m 31 years old, so younger than a lot of the workforce but due to sports and military injuries I’m banged up more than I should be at my age. I’ve worked fulltime since graduating high school, first in the U.S. Army and since then in a contracted security company. I’ve honestly never used one minute of sick time and never been a minute late for anything. I’ve got three younger brothers who are the same way and are great assets to their organizations. Also, we’ve got a ton of young military veterans returning from their service and joining the workforce. If you believe some of the people on this thread, they’re probably lazy and want handouts too.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16638
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    Joining the military proves they had ambition and a willingness to improve their lot in life. However the military doesn’t make them any better workers then others either.

    Every person from every generation is different, some by their upbringing (sp?) some by their circumstance in life. I see a sense of entitlement these days where in past years (generations) some were just lazy.

    Everybody is different, it was true with my generation and it’s true today.

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #1626773

    When everyone gets a participation trophy instead of actually earning a trophy they all grow into a generation of entitlements. They think they shouldn’t have to do anything and they still get $100,000 a year.

    Look at our school systems. Took the A-B-C-D-F grading system out and now the get S or U. C’mon make the kid earn it. We are not teaching them anything this way.

    It’s all politics and it’s crap

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