NFL General Discussion 2023

Allen is a slinger with a lower success rate than Rogers or Favre. Win a SuperBowl and the rest is forgotten.

Karma is a bitch and she struck again. I haven’t been laughing this hard since Erin went down.

https://theathletic.com/5065849/2023/11/15/deshaun-watson-browns-out-for-season/

Terrible decision by the Browns to give him all that guaranteed money. Especially a guy who had been sitting on the shelf for so long.

Agreed. I’m usually one to not wish harm on others, but I don’t mind seeing Watson out. And I’d like to see the Browns organization just suffer for giving such a bad contract (for the team) to a bad person. Meanwhile Houston may have drafted the better of the top two QB’s last year (I continue to beat the drum that drafting is difficult, despite what arm-chair internet fans say in hindsight) and they’ve had a few good high draft picks that give them some young, quality talent.

Sure is a lot of QB injuries this season. Even some teams are down to a third string option.

Kyler Murray (injured to start the season, now playing)
Aaron Rodgers
Bryce Young
Anthony Richardson
Justin Fields
Daniel Jones, Tyrod Taylor
Ryan Tannehill
Kirk Cousins, Jaren Hall
Derek Carr
Deshaun Watson
Joe Burrow

Quite a few on the list. Looks like about 1/3 of the league is using at least a backup at QB.

It’s not Thanksgiving yet. Karma bit Erin & Watson. Lack of talent got Jones, Fields and maybe Young. I’m fine with those being down. Tannahill doesn’t move the needle for me either or Carr for that matter. Injuries are part of football.
The season will march on no matter who is playing or hurt.

Ripjiggen wrote:

He has the most multi turnover games of any QB since 2018. I get that not all Qb’s have been playing since then but those turnovers will make it difficult to consistently win. For Allen that seem to happen at the worst times.

Watching the Jets-Bills game, they just showed a stat on Allen.

Since 2020:
He has accounted for 159 touchdowns, 18 more than any other player.
He has also accounted for 68 turnovers, 12 more than any other player.

High risk, high reward.

Congrats to the Bears they found a new way to gag a win today.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
He has the most multi turnover games of any QB since 2018. I get that not all Qb’s have been playing since then but those turnovers will make it difficult to consistently win. For Allen that seem to happen at the worst times.

Watching the Jets-Bills game, they just showed a stat on Allen.

Since 2020:
He has accounted for 159 touchdowns, 18 more than any other player.
He has also accounted for 68 turnovers, 12 more than any other player.

High risk, high reward.

Josh Allen/Jay Cutler

Pretty difficult to tell them apart when comparing across eras.

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buckybadger wrote:

Jay Cutler

Ya he does kind of remind me of Cutler. I feel like Allen is more of a runner than Cutler was though. Maybe he’s just a lot bigger guy too.

Holy cow the Jets are bad on offense. I can hardly remember an NFL team that looked so inept trying to score.

Not too far off is the Steelers offense. I would be shocked if they don’t fire their OC today.

Bears quickly became the Lions, just finding ways to lose.

Two heavyweights going at it tonight. Kansas City and Philadelphia. Should be a good game!!

Bingo. Steelers fire their OC Matt Canada. What took so long…?

On the radio today they said this is the first in-season firing by the Steelers since 1941. I’m not sure how many people here were alive and can name the head coach who came before Noll. Noll, Crowder, Tomlin. They don’t make mistakes with head coaches or fire them.

Word is that Rooney JR. himself let Canada go.

I think you mean Cowher. But that is interesting, thanks for posting that!

I don’t know if Coach Carrol’s duct tape job is going to be able to keep the Seachickens in a wild card spot through the end of the season. I think they are a team in trouble.

The Jets are just so so bad on offense it’s remarkable. They can’t even execute a Hail Mary without screwing it up royally.

^Saleh isn’t good about hiding his thoughts through his posture. He just looks defeated at all times.

The Jets have been a sunken ship since a few plays into the season. They are the poster child for why a QB is the most important position for a franchise in all of the major sports, and it’s not even close

buckybadger wrote:

^Saleh isn’t good about hiding his thoughts through his posture. He just looks defeated at all times.

The Jets have been a sunken ship since a few plays into the season. They are the poster child for why a QB is the most important position for a franchise in all of the major sports, and it’s not even close

That is absolutely true. However, it’s rare to have a backup QB THAT bad. They are setting some historical (bad) stats every week.

The funny part is, they have all these prime-time TV slots.

its too bad for all the QB injuries this year. Arodge injury really put the brakes on the Jets offense. Wilson will be out of the league before his next contract as he is just awful to watch but Boyle and Semien are 3rd string for a reason.
lots of achilles tears this year too. not all on turf either but the one today was the same field Arodge tore his on……coincidence? should be some games flexed the next few weeks so some good primetime games coming up.

lindyrig79 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
^Saleh isn’t good about hiding his thoughts through his posture. He just looks defeated at all times.

The Jets have been a sunken ship since a few plays into the season. They are the poster child for why a QB is the most important position for a franchise in all of the major sports, and it’s not even close

That is absolutely true. However, it’s rare to have a backup QB THAT bad. They are setting some historical (bad) stats every week.

The funny part is, they have all these prime-time TV slots.

Well the networks and NFL jumped on the drama queen Erins bandwagon. Karma gave them what they all deserve.

I always thought Belichick was the main reason the pats were so good for so long. Looking at the past few years I’m changing my mind and saying it was Brady.

Brady always had average players around him except the year he had Moss and he made them better. Jones needs good players around him because he can’t raise them up like Brady could. Belichick can coach especially defense but he isn’t and has never been a offensive mastermind.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Belicheck. They obviously can’t fire him, as he won 5 super bowls there. He will have to go out on his own accord, regardless of how terrible the Patriots are. It was ugly against the Giants yesterday. A sideline argument spilled out of control, they benched Jones at halftime, brought in Bailey, and it wasn’t any better. And then they miss a 35 yd FG as time expires to tie it.

Its looking like the Bills might completely miss the playoffs too. Which is astonishing to me given how good they are. I did not think that taking a knee with 20 seconds and a timeout left in regulation was the right move. I know the Eagles obviously have 10 wins, but they aren’t unbeatable. They just find ways to win.

crawdaddy wrote:

I always thought Belichick was the main reason the pats were so good for so long. Looking at the past few years I’m changing my mind and saying it was Brady.

I think we’re absolutely seeing that those tied to HOF QB’s won the lottery in their careers. After Josh McDaniels got fired midway through a season again there was some talk that really no assistant coach/coordinators that left Belicheck/Patriots have succeeded at all. A few weeks ago people were questioning whether LeFleur was the long-term answer in Green Bay. What’s the common denominator? Their generational, elite QB’s are gone. I really really like Andy Reid and he’s proven to coach success on multiple teams, but being Patrick Mahomes’ coach also puts you at a historic advantage compared to almost anyone else who has coached the game. Saints haven’t done a thing without Drew Brees even though it seems like they should be better with guys like Kamara, Michael Thomas, and Chris Olave.

After Josh McDaniels got fired I thought the guys on KFAN put it very well when, looking at all the Pats coordinators who got head coaching jobs and never panned out, one of them said “Man, Tom Brady got a lot of guys paid.”

gimruis wrote:

It will be interesting to see what happens with Belicheck. They obviously can’t fire him, as he won 5 super bowls there. He will have to go out on his own accord, regardless of how terrible the Patriots are. It was ugly against the Giants yesterday. A sideline argument spilled out of control, they benched Jones at halftime, brought in Bailey, and it wasn’t any better. And then they miss a 35 yd FG as time expires to tie it.

Its looking like the Bills might completely miss the playoffs too. Which is astonishing to me given how good they are. I did not think that taking a knee with 20 seconds and a timeout left in regulation was the right move. I know the Eagles obviously have 10 wins, but they aren’t unbeatable. They just find ways to win.

The Bills are still really talented, but their window is going to start coming closed quickly.

Steffon Diggs will be 30 next year. He’s regularly disgruntled and one would have to think he won’t ride off quietly into the offseason when they miss the playoffs.

Josh Allen is good. However, in the times of 2 high safeties and often 3 high shell coverage in big situations…it’s becoming less and less about arm strength and more and more about anticipation and discipline with decision making (see Purdy as an example). If I schemed against the Bills, I’d dare them to commit to running the ball and taking checkdowns to go the length of the field and not commit penalties that get them off schedule. Teams have mass produced that blueprint to beating the Bills now, and in a copycat league they’re going to have to find a solution to remain relevant.

The Ravens really look the part. If they can NOT lose any other key guys to injury (like Mark Andrews) and not turn the ball over, I’m not sure there is anyone in the AFC who will beat them. That defense punches people right in the mouth play after play.

In regards to the whole Brady/Patriots discussion, for me at least, the more and more this plays out the more and more impressive Brady looks/looked as a player IMO. During his career, the million dollar question was “is it Brady or is it Belicheck” and I think the argument could have been made that is was the combination of the two. However, seeing the lack of success since Brady left NE, the lack of success of Belicheck’s coordinators on other teams, and the fact that Brady went to Tampa and was instantly competitive cements his legacy in my mind. Top that off with the years where he took a pay cut to allow NE to sign more/better players, and I don’t think there is any way you can argue he was the goat.

At the end of the day, in the NFL (especially for QBs), you’re remembered first and foremost for the number of rings on your fingers.

gimruis wrote:

It will be interesting to see what happens with Belicheck. They obviously can’t fire him, as he won 5 super bowls there. He will have to go out on his own accord, regardless of how terrible the Patriots are.

I believe it was 6 rings. And he absolutely can, and likely will, get fired at some point by the Pats. I still think Belicheck is the best coach in the league, but his style needs adjusting as the league, and more importantly the players, evolve. His disciplinarian style only works when you win and have veteran leaders on either side of the ball making sure everyone toes the line. They aren’t winning, and they don’t have strong veteran leadership, so the culture has taken a turn for the drastically worse. Kirk (or any veteran talented QB with minimal ego, there aren’t many!) would actually be a really good fit there I think, I can’t see them going with a rookie QB again under Belicheck.