<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>triplea wrote:</div>
What law would it be breaking?Quite a few actually….look it up…
I have been, not seeing any, hard to find laws specific to tribal nets. any ideas or are you just guessing?
Good lord man…I’ve been seeing,reading,and following this stuff for over 30 years now!
People have tried this stuff before..
You do anything like you have suggested and you WILL be arrested,and probably would be charged with a Federal offence…
Don’t believe me? …..Fine,try it and tell me what happens
Not saying I would do it, I live too far from the lake anyways. Just not sure what laws they would say you are breaking if your “fishing” on top of nets. If people want to change it they will need to take it into their own hands.
If people want to change it they will need to take it into their own hands.
Again….this has already been tried before…hell,there was even gunfire at a couple of sites here in WI way back when…
So
Are you saying we should take the law into our on hands??
If so…I am done with replying to anyone who thinks that way….
You have a good day guy… 
What law would it be breaking?
You don’t have to be breaking any law to be arrested.
Sure you do. They will need to charge you with something in order to book you into jail/arrest you. That’s how it works everytime. Im guessing they could find a reason to arrest you but I guess you guys don’t know what laws it would break.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>triplea wrote:</div>
If people want to change it they will need to take it into their own hands.Again….this has already been tried before…hell,there was even gunfire at a couple of sites here in WI way back when…
So
Are you saying we should take the law into our on hands??
If so…I am done with replying to anyone who thinks that way….You have a good day guy…
No, taking the law into our hands would mean they would have to break a law first. Being pro-active and simply getting in the way might hinder the process enough to at least keep the topic in the news. Complaining about it every year on IDO hasn’t done anything to help unfortunately.
You obviously aren’t up to speed on the situation. You come up here and interfere with the netting and I’ll pay your lodging and gas. Only requirement is you get interviewed on the twin cities news stations.
It is illegal to interfere with anyone’s right to fish or net for that matter legally. That is the law you would be breaking. Furthermore, tampering with a net is also a crime, much like tampering with legally set traps. Hope you had a couple minutes to read this before you move off this subject. Decades ago the blocking ramps was tried, as well as nets being accidently caught in boat props… this just cost people money and a criminal record… didn’t help the cause at all. Coming on IDO or any other avenue of media and educating others to the issues that are being faced by Mille Lacs, might help expose another lake raping, be it Vermillion, Leech, Red or a lake near you.
Thanks for the information! Crazy people tried blocking ramps too wow. At a minimum the timeline for the netting season should not interfere with the spawn…. that just seems so basic its unbelievable they cant get it done.
Arrested and charged are 2 different things
You can be arrested and held for 72 hrs before you have to be charged
But even if you are arrested AND charged with breaking a law, it still doesn’t necessarily mean that you “actually did” break said law
true, as long as your arrested for suspicion of a crime they can hold you. either way it sounds like people have done things and it hasn’t slowed the netting anyways.
I am wondering if there is not a court case to be tried for netting lakes stocked with fish and not stocked. To my knowledge ML is not stocked and these fish would be covered under the treaty and the lake open to netting. What happens when they net a stocked lake? Who tax dollar made that happen and what right would they have taking fish that the state of MN incurred costs to maintain? If a lake cannot support the walleyes naturally I do not know how the treaty can be interpreted to allow them to net. It seems that they should have to pay some sort of fee to net these fish to reimburse the tax payers of mn. Anyway I would be interested to know if this would have any legs, maybe steve reads this and can comment.
These are things I have heard around Lake Vermilion in the past and may or may not be true.
The State of MN used to pay the local tribe to NOT net Vermilion. But once Fortune Bay started making money, the tribes refused those funds and started to net again. So, it is my understanding, that the lake is currently being netted prior to this by the local tribe. I have no idea what the numbers are in pounds in relation to what the WI Band plans to take.
There are many, second or third hand stories, of large pike and other species being left to rot in the woods from the gill nets.
Vermilion has a hatchery that provides stocking fish to many lakes across the state. I believe that most of the Red Lake walleyes came from Vermilion. How would people feel about giving bands the walleye after they are stripped of eggs or milked from the hatchery? They could even target specific year classes to balance the population of the lake?
With typical ice out in LATE April, will they be able to net under the ice? I have heard they can, is this true? Or will they focus on Pike Bay that opens early and is full of spawning eyes in the early spring. They often close Pike Bay to fishing during the opener so that anglers don’t interfer with a late spawn. Is two weeks enough to get their quota?
I find this pretty disappointing. It already seems that the quality is up, but the numbers are down in the last 10 years.
Vermilion instituted a slot and 4 fish limit 5-10 years ago due to projections that fishing pressure was increasing. If it tightens further due to a decline in numbers, we will probably find a new lake to fish. Pretty sad.
I am wondering if there is not a court case to be tried for netting lakes stocked with fish and not stocked. To my knowledge ML is not stocked and these fish would be covered under the treaty and the lake open to netting. What happens when they net a stocked lake? Who tax dollar made that happen and what right would they have taking fish that the state of MN incurred costs to maintain? If a lake cannot support the walleyes naturally I do not know how the treaty can be interpreted to allow them to net. It seems that they should have to pay some sort of fee to net these fish to reimburse the tax payers of mn. Anyway I would be interested to know if this would have any legs, maybe steve reads this and can comment.
Evidently stocked or not, ALL waters within the Ceded Territory relative to the 1837 ruling ( Lake Mille Lacs case) are open to Tribal harvest. Example would be Knife Lake ( Mora area) where small scale netting/spearing is an annual event, I think, and is stocked annually or semi-annually with walleyes by the Mn. DNR.
Obviously, the Red Lake mess was fixed with tax funding and is not only netted by the Tribal regime but is OFF LIMITS to non-Band members/taxpayers who funded the fix.
U.S./State funding plays a major role in ALL Tribal game and fish harvest rights as GLIFWC. for example ( which includes the Fond Du Lac group at Vermillion this year) is 100 percent funded by Fed funds—double digit $$ millions per year–100 percent! In other words….Fed/state funds pay for the direct costs and related fishery management costs to do the netting. So–the source of the costs, obviously, of stocking makes zero difference in where, when or how the Tribal harvest takes place. EXCUSIVELY paid for by ONE group–only to allow another group to EXCLUSIVELY net/spear etc.–during the spawn.
I have been, not seeing any, hard to find laws specific to tribal nets. any ideas or are you just guessing?
You just can’t destroy other peoples property because you disagree with what they’re doing. You can’t honestly believe that trashing a few nets will make them say…hey these guys mean business, we better quit netting.
I don’t know what the answer is. It’s obviously a very passionate issue for many people. It impacts peoples livelihood as well. I’m sure the founding fathers didn’t foresee fishing becoming a multi billion dollar industry.
It would be great if someone could come up with a viable plan, there certainly wouldn’t be lack of support.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>triplea wrote:</div>
I have been, not seeing any, hard to find laws specific to tribal nets. any ideas or are you just guessing?You just can’t destroy other peoples property because you disagree with what they’re doing. You can’t honestly believe that trashing a few nets will make them say…hey these guys mean business, we better quit netting.
I don’t know what the answer is. It’s obviously a very passionate issue for many people. It impacts peoples livelihood as well. I’m sure the founding fathers didn’t foresee fishing becoming a multi billion dollar industry.
It would be great if someone could come up with a viable plan, there certainly wouldn’t be lack of support.
The best “plan” to end this legalized racism is in the voting booths. In the end, the only place it can end is in Congress/Oval office. The voters in this country control the end/”plan”. As of now, a majority of the voters in this country vote on the side of the ballot that supports/endorses this legalized racism. That’s the hash reality…like it or not…as many need to change their voting direction.
In the meantime, actions to make multi-media/face book etc. /voters/politicians aware of this legalized racism, far bigger than fish and game harvest, need to become reality–not just talk.
Money and action has to back up the talk.
Thanks Steve for taking the time to answer. This is really a frustrating issue with no good answers. The only way it would seem to have an impact on this debate is for the sportsman to organize into a large enough voting block to influence elections. Unfortunately it seems we cannot get that organized.
I thought we put Dayton in again, because he was troubled by the netting ? 
Anybody have the clip from the Game Fair interview ? 
I thought we put Dayton in again, because he was troubled by the netting ?
Anybody have the clip from the Game Fair interview ?
Fast forward to about the 7 minute mark of this video:
Action?
I’m willing to sit in my parked truck and trailer along the west edge Hwy 169 in Vineland for a 24 hr shift.
We’d only need another 364 volunteers to do the same before somebody’d take notice
Take note of these words relative to Vermilion–from the Tribal regime:
“In general, it’s because we have the right to do it,” said Ferdinand Martineau, secretary-treasurer of the Fond du Lac Band. “Right now, our (fish) population in ’37 (the 1837 treaty area) is falling by the wayside with the problems on Mille Lacs. Our band members have gotten used to supplementing their diet with fish. That’s what we’re looking at now.”
Example would be Knife Lake ( Mora area) where small scale netting/spearing is an annual event, I think, and is stocked annually or semi-annually with walleyes by the Mn. DNR.
From what I heard they gave up. Too dirty too spear and not enough walleye to net to make it worth their while.
“In general, it’s because we have the right to do it,” said Ferdinand Martineau, secretary-treasurer of the Fond du Lac Band.
Translation – to rub pale face nose in heep big doggy doo
“Right now, our (fish) population in ’37 (the 1837 treaty area) is falling by the wayside with the problems on Mille Lacs
Translation
In our ongoing quest to decimate lakes; one down, 9,999 to go
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>steve-fellegy wrote:</div>
“Right now, our (fish) population in ’37 (the 1837 treaty area) is falling by the wayside with the problems on Mille LacsTranslation
In our ongoing quest to decimate lakes; one down, 9,999 to go
lol And obviously, ALL fish markets, Cub Foods and the like are segregated– being off limits to any Tribal member if he or she wants to “supplement” their diet with fish. And it is under that pre-20th century guise, that one side of the ballot supports this legalized racism. Go figure…and vote your “choice”.
Good point G, most people don’t understand that the Mille Lacs band isn’t doing the majority of the netting. It’s the Wisconsin bands.
But of course. Last year’s “extremely generous” bag limits were upped-after two back to back record setting late ice-outs that drastically hindered the tribes in filling their declared netting quotas-in our WI ceded territories. The “revised” limits always come out after netting, adjusted for the tribal take. Last two years, the initial sport fishing limits were 1, just about everywhere. http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/fishing/documents/regulations/2014RevisedBagLimitsWeb.pdf
What I’m getting at here is, the vast majority of the WI lakes in the ceded territories just don’t have the numbers left…
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Anybody have the clip from the Game Fair interview ? 
