"NEXT!!!"

Good point G, most people don’t understand that the Mille Lacs band isn’t doing the majority of the netting. It’s the Wisconsin bands.

Dutchboy wrote:

If you have a dog with a belly full of pups and you kill her a month before they are born how many will survive? How many have a chance to survive?

Apply the same process to fish. If they are never born they have zero chance to survive.

If you run a puppy mill and breed your dog yearly, whenever she is killed the next litter will fail to be born even if she is not pregnant at the time you kill her. The logic is no matter when a native or non native takes a fish it will always be before and after a spawn.

That being said I don’t think that they should be allowed to net or spear right before spawning, but I also would be willing to bet money that will never change.

big_g wrote:

I would bet a hundred dollars to $1, the true “Mille Lacs Band” would just as soon see the blue eyed/blond pigs with gillnets, stay away from their resource as well.

Well Said

Poachers hiding behind an legal loophole.

Oh, it will change. It might not happen until they completely kill the lake like they did with Red but it will happen.

The absolute best news for the bands is that I’ll never be “King for a day” or win the Powerball.

Dutchboy wrote:

The absolute best news for the bands is that I’ll never be “King for a day” or win the Powerball.

Drive by Mystic lake Casino,then ask yourself if they would trade it for winning the Powerball.

PS.. Large Expansion coming soon!

Once a treaty is breached by one party, can it not be abrogated by the other?

The biggest problem with netting during the spawn isn’t whether those fish will “not spawn this year” vs “not spawn next year” … it’s that, because of where they are and how grouped up they are, this is the time when they are the most vulnerable

But if the quota is X and they just have to “fish harder” the rest of the year and still take X it doesn’t matter.

In any event I don’t want friends turnING sour on me for playing I’ll leave with a Polish proverb. Not my circus, not my monkeys.

What matters is, the pigs/bands coming from wisconsin won’t come for 3 months having to work hard to catch what they catch in 3 days now during the spawn…. yeah, the Mille Lacs Band will still harvest the whole year, they do now to some extent, but stopping the 1/8th, 1/16th and 1/32nd native pigs from raping the lake will pretty much stop. The Wisconsin bands could care less about the threat to open MN public casinos… no skin off their nose, they will just keep raping the lakes here.

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big_g wrote:

What matters is, the pigs/bands coming from wisconsin won’t come for 3 months having to work hard to catch what they catch in 3 days now during the spawn…. yeah, the Mille Lacs Band will still harvest the whole year, they do now to some extent, but stopping the 1/8th, 1/16th and 1/32nd native pigs from raping the lake will pretty much stop. The Wisconsin bands could care less about the threat to open MN public casinos… no skin off their nose, they will just keep raping the lakes here.

This is my point… stop with the racist name calling comments. The problem is that the current rules and the American Govt are allowing the netting and harvest as is.

I ask you all again, if you were born a Native what would you do in life? Dedicate your life to convincing all those around you that harvesting should be half the amount that is currently harvested?

The inability for you to separate the issues (changing the netting rules) from the individual people (Natives) and using derogatory terms (pigs) to describe an entire culture of people screams the highest levels of ignorance, narrow-mindedness and just plain embarrassment.

My point is not arguing what the rules should be. I wished they didn’t harvest the way they do just as everyone else.

I guess I am done here, if I have to explain this to you then it is very clear the blinders will not be removed and your ability to separate blatant racism from the issues is impossible.

If there was a law in California stating you can use up to 10000 gallons of water daily to water your lawn and some residents use exactly that much it is pretty obvious the laws are the problem and the laws need to change but attacking the people who are doing exactly what is being allowed is not a problem with the people.

jeff_huberty wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
I would bet a hundred dollars to $1, the true “Mille Lacs Band” would just as soon see the blue eyed/blond pigs with gillnets, stay away from their resource as well.

Well Said

Poachers hiding behind an legal loophole.

Then the loophole needs to be changed.

Were you pissed at Belichick for the screwy NFL plays he ran last year which were legal according to the rules? The NFL changed the rules in response just a week ago. See how that works.. If we live in a world where there is law and we are asked to abide by it then you can’t fault people for doing just that. If a law is harmful then it needs to be CHANGED.

If you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at OUR government, not the Natives.

mplspug wrote:

tend to agree that netting during the spawn is the same as any other time. Whenever you take them it is always before “a spawn”, even if done right after the spawn.

I think the problem with netting during the spawn is time of year. Spawn is when the walleyes are concentrated in specific areas and they are more likely to be caught in the nets. If the netting was any other time in my opinion the netting would not be as successful and may not pose as much of a problem. Also how many eggs does one fish lay? You can argue that whatever time frame the fish is taken out of the lake that fish potential for reproduction is lost, so time of year does not matter. I would argue that fish that made it the entire year should be given the opportunity to spawn. Just as every sportsman that is not a tribal member has agreed to do by abiding by the laws of MN. After spawn time frame I agree that netted or caught the result is the same.

meestro wrote:

you would personally refuse to net fish because it would be against your personal principles?

I refuse to do all kinds of things that I have a legal right to do because of personal principles. Like patronizing casinos.

This discussion comes up every year and will most certainly come up next year. I think it’s good it always comes up to keep awareness alive.

But what can be done to change things?! That’s where the energy needs to be. Please don’t say boycotting casinos…that will just lead to a larger need for cash and a higher importance on netting and well, boycotts don’t work. Easy to call for one, impossible to implement.

Blockades however are much more effective and much easier to implement

meestro wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jeff_huberty wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
I would bet a hundred dollars to $1, the true “Mille Lacs Band” would just as soon see the blue eyed/blond pigs with gillnets, stay away from their resource as well.

Well Said

Poachers hiding behind an legal loophole.

Then the loophole needs to be changed.

Were you pissed at Belichick for the screwy NFL plays he ran last year which were legal according to the rules? The NFL changed the rules in response just a week ago. See how that works.. If we live in a world where there is law and we are asked to abide by it then you can’t fault people for doing just that. If a law is harmful then it needs to be CHANGED.

If you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at OUR government, not the Natives.

Here since you missed it

So now the the destroyers are targeting Lake Vermillion.
What a sham, what a shame!

Pretty simple and to the Point IMHO

Save the NFL BS for October

who the aich-ee-double-hockey-sticks is this Belch-chick ?
… never heard of her

desperado wrote:

who the aich-ee-double-hockey-sticks is this Belch-chick ?
… never heard of her

That is a brilliant response… about as thoughtful as your previously described thought process. I guess the shoe fits

I am guessing if I spelled it phonetically <Bell-a-check> you would understand.

meestro wrote:

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What matters is, the pigs/bands coming from wisconsin won’t come for 3 months having to work hard to catch what they catch in 3 days now during the spawn…. yeah, the Mille Lacs Band will still harvest the whole year, they do now to some extent, but stopping the 1/8th, 1/16th and 1/32nd native pigs from raping the lake will pretty much stop. The Wisconsin bands could care less about the threat to open MN public casinos… no skin off their nose, they will just keep raping the lakes here.

This is my point… stop with the racist name calling comments. The problem is that the current rules and the American Govt are allowing the netting and harvest as is.

I ask you all again, if you were born a Native what would you do in life? Dedicate your life to convincing all those around you that harvesting should be half the amount that is currently harvested?

The inability for you to separate the issues (changing the netting rules) from the individual people (Natives) and using derogatory terms (pigs) to describe an entire culture of people screams the highest levels of ignorance, narrow-mindedness and just plain embarrassment.

You need to read, not jump on your mighty “racist” soapbox so fast. I have ZERO problem with natives… I have a problem with PIGS who drive 300 miles, to net spawning walleyes… these pigs have blond hair and blue eyes, they are no more “native” than I am. They do no follow any treaty 355 days a year, they only come over here, rape the lake for a week or so and leave. Please point out where I called an entire race pigs ? I will be waiting. The worst kind of racist is the one’s who run around calling everyone else it…..

mattgroff wrote:

I know I seen the article. How can this be legal. And why is it ok for them to do it now verses other years. Not happy about this as my wife’s family has a cabin on this lake.

Well after having this go on for the past number of years out my front of our home…its nice to see others get worked up about it!
Just wait till they have netted all the walleye and you only have sunsets to enjoy

Nice avoidance of the 1855 treaty (article 9) … after saying reviewing it and getting back to us on that “would be great”

nnaahh

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meestro wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>desperado wrote:</div>
who the aich-ee-double-hockey-sticks is this Belch-chick ?
… never heard of her

That is a brilliant response… about as thoughtful as your previously described thought process. I guess the shoe fits

I am guessing if I spelled it phonetically <Bell-a-check> you would understand.

The less a person knows about most issues the more they tend to respond,and when they find out they turly don’t have the right answer, they respond by hurling shouts of racism and inssults.

that’s raceist

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Do they set nets out or are the natives actively pulling nets with boats? If you live on the lake, or nearby and don’t like the netting I would think your boat could easily get in their way, enough to possibly stop some of the netting. Or cut the nets ect. Stop pretending the DNR can/will do anything about it, time to take it into your own hands. All the complaining will and has done nothing to fix the problem.

TripleA wrote:

Do they set nets out or are the natives actively pulling nets with boats? If you live on the lake, or nearby and don’t like the netting I would think your boat could easily get in their way, enough to possibly stop some of the netting. Or cut the nets ect.

You would be arrested quick for doing that….

Mudshark wrote:

You would be arrested quick for doing that….

and charge with a hate-crime
… because it would obviously be an act of racism

What law would it be breaking?

desperado wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Mudshark wrote:</div>
You would be arrested quick for doing that….

and charge with a hate-crime
… because it would obviously be an act of racism

Race would only come into play if I was a Caucasian male. No one else is ever charged with any types of Race related crimes.

TripleA wrote:

What law would it be breaking?

Quite a few actually….look it up…