New Public Safety System in Minneapolis

Are these people really serious? New steps to replace the police department with some community response unit? Can’t get far enough away.

Wasn’t there just a big press release with the mayor and chief of police going over the changes? Plans include bringing in Hennepin county sheriffs, state patrol, ATF, FBI and more to get the city under control. Even stated this starts Friday. Going to be targeting current, former gang members and others with criminal history. Officially put these people and other troublemakers on notice. Almost forgot increased fines, longer jail times, and even federal charges.

I wonder which Federal agency is best at community counseling?

It’s a freaking joke. Failed leadership trying to use big names to calm the good people living here. Every council member and especially the mayor should be in jail for their inaction the last month.

Problem is the white guilt is so thick around here it’s going to take alot more crime, which this summer will certainly provide, until people pull their heads out their rainbow unicorn asse$ and realize it’s not all about some bad cops.

This is about where the mods should be cutting this thread instead of threatening to cut all discussions that aren’t fishing/outdoor related.

that said.. couldn’t agree more. Society continues to look a little bit more idiotic by the day.

tbro16 wrote:

This is about where the mods should be cutting this thread instead of threatening to cut all discussions that aren’t fishing/outdoor related.

that said.. couldn’t agree more. Society continues to look a little bit more idiotic by the day.

I disagree, open discussion is good.
I just hope my state doesn’t follow suit.

tbro16 wrote:

This is about where the mods should be cutting this thread instead of threatening to cut all discussions that aren’t fishing/outdoor related.

that said.. couldn’t agree more. Society continues to look a little bit more idiotic by the day.

Did you see all the “No” votes in the poll? Don’t want to see it, don’t click on it!

A freaking joke is right. A circus. Whatever. Mayor, city council, the whole bunch are a joke.

haleysgold wrote:

Did you see all the “No” votes in the poll? Don’t want to see it, don’t click on it!

Read my comment again.

tbro16 wrote:

instead of threatening to cut all discussions that aren’t fishing/outdoor related.

You’re preaching to the choir. I agree with all of the “no” voters. IMO it seemed like this post and a comment or two was made to stir the political pot

I have an idea. For everyone that wants to live in a neighborhood or society without any police department, they are more than welcome to do it. If you don’t want to live there, don’t. Get the hell outta there. You will NOT catch me living in a city, suburb, town or other civilian establishment that does not have a police department.

I’ll tell you what’s going to happen. Property values will plummet. Business owners will leave. There will be more violent crimes in addition to burglary and vandalism. If you think all of those items are worth tolerating to avoid having a police department, then you can continue to live there.

There’s a rash of car break ins by my house in Woodbury. I was told by a reliable source it’s a gang out of beautiful Minneapolis. Time to reign this crap in. It’s not about race. It’s about right and wrong, good and bad.

It will be interesting to see if the people actually vote yes to disbanding police. I am willing to bet property gets pretty cheap…

suzuki wrote:

Time to reign this crap in. It’s not about race. It’s about right and wrong, good and bad.

Take no prisoners Suzuki!

Deuces wrote:

It’s a freaking joke. Failed leadership trying to use big names to calm the good people living here. Every council member and especially the mayor should be in jail for their inaction the last month.

Problem is the white guilt is so thick around here it’s going to take alot more crime, which this summer will certainly provide, until people pull their heads out their rainbow unicorn asse$ and realize it’s not all about some bad cops.

100% agreed Beads. I’m worried about what will happen to MSP, hopefully Mayor Carter, who’s the son of a cop, doesn’t follow suit in StP. And this will affect everyone in MN, people don’t realize the impact MSP has on everywhere in MN.

I’ve been calling it “the oppressed privilege” (grammar Nazis leave it alone). Where the oppressed people feel privileged to do whatever the F they want.

It’ll be studied in Universitys years down the road

Deuces wrote:

It’s a freaking joke. Failed leadership trying to use big names to calm the good people living here. Every council member and especially the mayor should be in jail for their inaction the last month.

Problem is the white guilt is so thick around here it’s going to take alot more crime, which this summer will certainly provide, until people pull their heads out their rainbow unicorn asse$ and realize it’s not all about some bad cops.

i cannot actually believe these people are seriously out in public promoting this disband/defund the police.

are these people really aliens???????? in cold spring where i live there has to be 100’s of signs supporting the police dept.

gim wrote:

I have an idea. For everyone that wants to live in a neighborhood or society without any police department, they are more than welcome to do it. If you don’t want to live there, don’t. Get the hell outta there. You will NOT catch me living in a city, suburb, town or other civilian establishment that does not have a police department.

My kids get a crappy education, offered mind altering drugs everyday, super awesome chance at getting shot at and I have a crappy job so I can live by folks that look like me. I could have the same crappy job in an area where the cost of living is less but Rumor has it that there’s name calling happening in places where people don’t look like me.

suzuki wrote:

It’s not about race. It’s about right and wrong, good and bad.

There was a live news report where a lady was calling for the disband of the police. Than the reporter told her that they were going to be removing the police from schools and she said “ we need them there to protect my kids.”:???:

Rodwork wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>
It’s not about race. It’s about right and wrong, good and bad.

There was a live news report where a lady was calling for the disband of the police. Than the reporter told her that they were going to be removing the police from schools and she said “ we need them there to protect my kids.”:???:

yep….theres your sign.

Minneapolis would fold up like a tent if the police was disbanded.
Why would anyone book the convention center for a show? Sporting events?
It’s absolutely absurd to even consider it.

How’s it going in Seattle?

belletaine wrote:

How’s it going in Seattle?

Pretty sure they’re still “Sleepless in Seattle”…

The articles i just read from WCCO and KARE describe something very different from what is posted here. I am not saying i support it at all, but i need to see all the facts before making an opinion.

Bill Orielly sums it up perfectly as usual:

It is almost beyond belief that America is being trashed the way it is. I mean, here we have a country that provides more opportunity to more people than any other nation the planet has ever seen, and millions of its own citizens apparently want to destroy the traditions making that possible.

Never mind that tens of millions of folks all over world are trying to become American citizens. Forget the absolute fact that the USA freed billions of people enslaved by fascism, communism, and Islamic fundamentalism. Totally ignore our Constitution, and economic strength based on hard work as well as ingenuity. Throw out our willingness to spend trillions to support the poor, not only here but abroad.

Yes, reject those facts and kneel in contrition to a false view of America. One that is championed mostly by radical leftists who see the USA as an evil institution built on the backs of slaves and poor, exploited minority people. Kneel and allow criminals to go unpunished, police to be demonized, babies to be aborted for any reason, private property to be destroyed, and your fellow citizens harmed if they dare challenge the liberal agenda.

Kneel. Cower before the twitter mob that rejects President Lincoln’s statement “and malice towards none.” Hope the brutish mob bypasses you.

Virtue-signaling is now a pandemic. Insanity and psychic violence on gross display in prime time. The corporate media loves it, profits from it, embraces the potential destruction and “enlightened” change the mob demands.

Never again should American voters be allowed to elect a person like Trump. Now if you support him and the Republicans, you are not only deplorable, you are a racist. You are not worthy of any consideration or even a job in some cases.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Christopher Columbus, all were terrible men. Their statues and accomplishments must be destroyed. It is virtuous to highlight their sins. It is noble to spread the big lie: America was founded on white supremacy and the country still runs on that.

So kneel while the Woke mob burns our history, ignoring this reality: no person, no nation, is devoid of sin. But it is the totality of a life that must be honestly evaluated as well as the totality of a nation.

The mob will never acknowledge that truism. The mob has no specific solution to any problem. It only wants revenge for past injustice so it can rule in the present. And the politicians, corporate chieftains, celebrities, professors, journalists, and even the clerics fear the mob.

So kneel. Or else.

Well if no police department no problem defending your home with lethal force. Should be like world war 2 within a month of disbandment

Yea everyone is losing their minds because they chose terrible words like “defund/disband” which can be easily be used to whip people up into believing the false dichotomy of police vs. no police.

The reality is that there are serious problems with the status quo, and doing nothing is a poor decision. Neither the public or police are happy. Talk to police in densely populated areas and see how they feel. They are asked to do way too many things, morale and public perception is low because of widespread and highly visible problems. When nobody wants to do the job but the boots need to get filled, you end up with more lower quality candidates and compound the problem. Even the weary guardsmen we walked by a couple weeks ago looked at my little kids and told them, “Don’t grow up guys.” It is not a good situation when adults aren’t looking forward to the future.

What I have seen behind the bluster is generally an argument that instead of just dumping more and more money into making the police bigger and scarier in response to public problems, try to spread some funds into agencies that might more effectively address specific areas (mental health, homelessness, etc).

And in my opinion a lot of the corruption, or “bad apples”, or systemic problems, or whatever you want to call it would be greatly improved by dissolving the police unions. Treat police like other professionals who are accountable for their own actions and make them professionally/financially responsible for their behavior instead of giving them a mammoth, powerful organization whose main intent is to protect them at all costs. With that organization the best (not oldest) cops would be more likely to remain and excel in the profession, and the guy with 19 credible complaints against him would force himself into another job.

At least try to do something to help build trust and respect for police.

tindall wrote:

Yea everyone is losing their minds because they chose terrible words like “defund/disband” which can be easily be used to whip people up into believing the false dichotomy of police vs. no police.

The reality is that there are serious problems with the status quo, and doing nothing is a poor decision. Neither the public or police are happy. Talk to police in densely populated areas and see how they feel. They are asked to do way too many things, morale and public perception is low because of widespread and highly visible problems. When nobody wants to do the job but the boots need to get filled, you end up with more lower quality candidates and compound the problem. Even the weary guardsmen we walked by a couple weeks ago looked at my little kids and told them, “Don’t grow up guys.” It is not a good situation when adults aren’t looking forward to the future.

What I have seen behind the bluster is generally an argument that instead of just dumping more and more money into making the police bigger and scarier in response to public problems, try to spread some funds into agencies that might more effectively address specific areas (mental health, homelessness, etc).

And in my opinion a lot of the corruption, or “bad apples”, or systemic problems, or whatever you want to call it would be greatly improved by dissolving the police unions. Treat police like other professionals who are accountable for their own actions and make them professionally/financially responsible for their behavior instead of giving them a mammoth, powerful organization whose main intent is to protect them at all costs. With that organization the best (not oldest) cops would be more likely to remain and excel in the profession, and the guy with 19 credible complaints against him would force himself into another job.

At least try to do something to help build trust and respect for police.

i hate to tell you but the only way the Union goes away is entirely in the hands of its members.

its like alot of people wanting Kroll fired…………..only ones that can do that are the members that voted him into that position. AND i’m not defending either one. simply the reality of it.

“i hate to tell you but the only way the Union goes away is entirely in the hands of its members.

its like alot of people wanting Kroll fired…………..only ones that can do that are the members that voted him into that position. AND i’m not defending either one. simply the reality of it.”

Isn’t that why some push the “disband” option? What I understood is that where this has happened they basically dissolved it on paper, then restructured/rehired people into a new system. Kinda like when a company declares bankruptcy, sheds some garbage, and then is open again with the same building, stuff, and people.

And isn’t the police department dependent on having a contract with the city? Why not change/renew the contract to exclude the union?

It’s anecdotal, but the cops I know don’t like the union. I’m pretty sure this is because: #1 they are good cops, and #2 they have to watch, or even participate in protecting bad cops.

suzuki wrote:

There’s a rash of car break ins by my house in Woodbury. I was told by a reliable source it’s a gang out of beautiful Minneapolis. Time to reign this crap in. It’s not about race. It’s about right and wrong, good and bad.

Hope they get this crap reigned in before it spills over to western Wisconsin, Here we’re lucky enough to ave Castle law, you break into a resident you might think about bringing your own body bag with you.It’s a shame it’s had to come to something like this.

In note to disbanding police… We are already seeing what the outcome will be in some areas. My little brother lives in sight of the big buildings and a very diverse community here in St Paul. For the most part everyone takes care of each other in his community. He likes his neighbors and has raised his family there for 10-12 years now (4 daughters). They have always had issues but for the first time I think he is ready to move.

Last week one of the neighbors down the road was dragging his girlfriend by her hair and punching her every time she tried to get away from him. My sister was just about home and drove right by them as this was going on. She tried to stop it but did not help. So she pulled up to the house and had my brother go out there. By this time it was going on in front of my brothers house.

Long story short he ended with company in his driveway. Two with a gun pointed at him. He went back in the house to call the police. One neighbor said he had video of all this going on. He believe 3 people total called the cops. This “Mob” ended up kicking the neighbors door in that was filming and assaulted him.

End result was the cops telling them there was nothing they could do and that they were going to have to protect themselves. They told my brother that reacting to this would only escalate the situation and make it worst?????

This is the crap that only a few people want but will not end well for anyone. My brother does not want to move but doesn’t want to be on the news as a “father” that shot some thug to protect his family either. I am sure he is not the only one.

tindall wrote:

Yea everyone is losing their minds because they chose terrible words like “defund/disband” which can be easily be used to whip people up into believing the false dichotomy of police vs. no police.

Ya, you’re right. But if its not really “defund or disband” the police, then call it “reform the police” instead. Stop calling it something it isn’t. I’m all for police reform, but I’m definitely against defunding or disbanding it.

they can throw this disband word around all they want, there is no way i know of to disband/get rid of a union without going to the NLRB and requesting a decertification. now i do know the police is a public sector union and cant legally strike and do follow different rules to an extent. i represent union members in the private sector.

there are always a few members that do not like the union…… fact of life.

regarding your comment on police dept having a contract with the city. to change the contract relies on the 2 parties to negotiate those changes. ANY and all negotiated contracts, or agreements have been negotiated in good faith by BOTH parties, which means they both agreed to the wages, terms and conditions of employment. i think Minneapolis has been working without an agreement for a while and if i remember hearing this right the police chief did halt negotiations and wants to do away with the Arbitration part.

to that i say good luck. its the one thing near and dear to a collective bargaining agreement.

this arguement of unions protecting bad people is hogwash. i have seen it time and again, had the employer followed there rules, they have progressive disciplinary steps and rules for immediate termination and dont follow them or use them appropriately.

i am not trying to argue with you, just my point of view!!!!!