New guy here, is next week to late to plant 1 of my food plots?

  • junior
    Posts: 39
    #1693856

    First a bit of info about myself. I’ve been watching this sight for a couple of years now and have learned a few tricks from you guys so thank you! For the last 5 years I’ve paid a gentleman to plant my food plots as embarrassing as that is to admit I just didn’t have the time with the kiddos being born and such, but now I purchased the equipment to do it myself and am very excited! So my first question, is next week to late to plant 1 of the plots for a spring/ summer plot? 2nd question, if it’s not to late can I lime and plant in the same week? Also my plots in the past have always been fall plots so any recommendations for solid food source if it’s not to late that is… This particular plot is 1.5 acres… Thanks guys! Junior…..

    roosterrouster
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    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #1693858

    I couldn’t grow grass if I had to in my front yard so I can’t help you (others will though!) but please tell me you got that deer in your avatar!? Love that rack! Welcome to IDO…

    junior
    Posts: 39
    #1693860

    Thanks for the welcome, unfortunately I chased him for 2 seasons hundreds of cool pics only 2 encounter’s and last season my neighbor shot him with a rifle at 5 yards… But I just can’t let go he haunted me for quite some time

    Tom G
    Posts: 18
    #1693884

    A general location to where you are going to plant food plots would be helpful. As far as to late to plant it depends what you are planting and your location. Yes you can lime and plant the same weekend. It will take a while for the lime to start working. I will be planting soybeans Memorial weekend. My land is located in North Central Wisconsin.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1693891

    So my first question, is next week to late to plant 1 of the plots for a spring/ summer plot? 2nd question, if it’s not to late can I lime and plant in the same week? Also my plots in the past have always been fall plots so any recommendations for solid food source if it’s not to late that is… This particular plot is 1.5 acres… Thanks guys! Junior…..

    Welcome to IDO Hunting!

    As Tom wrote, a specific location would help, but if you’re in the northern tier states, then it’s certainly not too late. Also, it would help to know what kind of equipment you have. Sprayer? Disc? Drag?

    I see a couple of options depending on how much you want to spend on this plot.

    The gold option would be to go with soybeans. The deer love them. The downside is cost, weed control (need to be able to spray), and soybeans are an annual so you have to replant every year. It’s actually only now getting into prime time for soybean planting in MN and WI.

    Clover is an excellent option as well. There is never a time when deer won’t eat clover. If you plant perennial clover, it lasts for several years if maintained, reducing cost and workload.

    Personally, I always plant clover with a nurse crop of grain (oats or rye) for fast green-up and to protect they clover from weeds and overgrazing. Personally, I like blends of red and white clover, there is no benefit IMO to food plotters going with a single variety.

    If you wanted to double crop this plot, you could plant a grain crop now and then till it under and plant brassicas for the fall, but this is 2X the workload and cost.

    You can apply lime and fertilizer when planting.

    Hope this helps.

    Grouse

    junior
    Posts: 39
    #1693921

    First off thank you guys for the advice, I’m located in Harris MN. My property is a funnel of woods that sits in the middle of a couple hundred acres of ag fields on either side of me. I don’t know if it matters but I’m in clay country… Grouse I have a sprayer a disc and a drag my question is being the last 2 years were corn around me I’m guessing it’s gonna be beans this year, so do you think only 1.5 acres of beans is worth it? I’m kinda of leaning towards a clover/ oats blend but just don’t know. There’s so many choices I can’t decide. My other plot is 2.5 acres and was planning on doing a turnip’s radish winter pea blend in July if that helps at all.. thank you guys in advance for any info..

    Tom G
    Posts: 18
    #1693927

    If it would be with the additional info that you supplied I would wait a little until the farmers have all their soybeans in and are popping out. Then I would plant soybeans. This will take some of the deer browse pressure off your plot. Also when the farmers harvest their beans, the deer will move onto your beans. Nothing like standing beans for drawing deer in during gun season and late bow season.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1693950

    As Tom suggests, if you staggered your planting of soybeans, you’d be behind the local farmers and your beans would be the last beans standing after everything else is picked clean. Now how LONG 1.5 acres would remain standing is a question. 1.5 acres is not that big of a bean plot, but there are a lot of other factors.

    Since you’re going to put an annual crop in the other, larger plot, I’d be tempted to say go clover in the smaller plot. Perennial clover would reduce your workload and if you are surrounded by ag, you could probably grow a nice stand of thick clover before the ag crops are all harvested and deer really hammer it.

    Even last year when I had a 6 acre plot that was half brassicas, the deer would eat brassicas and then wander over to the other part of the plot that was clover. I think clover is kind of like deer potato chips, if it’s out there, they can’t resist having some.

    Those are really the Grade A options IMO. There are lots of variations, of course, but both of these would work well.

    My property is north of you near Hinckley, BTW. Welcome to the forum.

    Grouse

    junior
    Posts: 39
    #1693954

    Thanks grouse, I appreciate your advice. I agree with you on the clover and do believe I’ll be going this route. Mainly because the farmer on these ag fields tends to leave his crop till the winter, why idk.. I feel as if I’m behind the 8 ball on this plot but all the rain has made it impossible to get down my trails to the plots. But finally I can get out there.. today I’m spraying so I’m not sure but hopefully I can disc and plant next week.. thanks again.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1693966

    I feel as if I’m behind the 8 ball on this plot but all the rain has made it impossible to get down my trails to the plots.

    Don’t worry, you’ve got plenty of time and you’re not behind the 8 ball. In fact, you are ahead of the game because you have been able to spray.

    I haven’t turned a wheel for spring planting yet either, my tractor would sink to China if I tried to get out in the plots. The only thing I’ve done is spread lime because that can be done with the ATV.

    I think clover is a good call. Deer can be very hard on young clover, so I cover it with a nurse crop of oats or rye. 56 or 50 pounds to the acre respectively. Sowe the clover with a hand spreader as it is too difficult to evenly spread otherwise being it’s like pepper.

    I start by spreading the grain and then lightly drag or pack. Then seed the clover last. I always seed clover at half the broadcast seeding rate and then cover the plot twice to ensure even seeding. Do not disk or drag clover, just seed on the surface and cultipack if you can or just leave it if you don’t have a packer.

    Fertilize with 20-20-20 or if you have a soil test, do to the recommendation. Lime at planting if at all possible.

    As a warning, you must not spread lime on top of new clover and never on wet clover.

    Grouse

    junior
    Posts: 39
    #1693969

    Grouse- I just finished spraying so my question is how many days should I wait to spread my lime? I was hoping next Saturday to disc and plant/fertilize I did get a soil sample.. also after dropping my sead then cultipackin do I just spread my fertilizer on top or do I pack that with the seed?

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1693970

    Spread lime anytime before planting. Lime is slow acting as it dissolves into the soil and neutralizes the acid. You can spread anytime, sooner is better because it takes time to work, but just not on young plants or wet clover because it burns the leaves.

    You can pack the fertilizer with the seed as long as you’re doing it all in one shot. The idea is that you want to fertilizer to stay exactly where you put it.

    And as long as you’re at it, be sure to put out a browse exclusion cage. You’d be amazed at how often guys thing the crop “isn’t growing” or the “deer aren’t touching it” only to find out what’s really happening once they add a cage.

    Grouse

    junior
    Posts: 39
    #1693977

    Very good information grouse, very much appreciated!

    junior
    Posts: 39
    #1694307

    Well got my lime in the ground yesterday before the rain, but it’s looking like a week of rain coming so my plans of planting this weekend will be pushed back once again… Gotta love mother nature

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1694311

    I have all the plots in at the farm, but I was going to plant beans at home this week. With the rain all week that isn’t going to happen. Next week I will try to get them in, but there is still plenty of time for planting.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1694350

    Next week I will try to get them in, but there is still plenty of time for planting.

    Yes, I’m getting a few calls from guys asking if it’s “too late” to plant either Eagle Forage Soybeans or spring clover.

    I suspect this is the influence of the largely southern-based hunting TV and media. We’re not a-way-down-south here, boys.

    The bottom line is it’s NOT too late for ANY spring planted food plot crop in MN, WI, and the other northern states. Plus, we’re not farmers. Our livelihood does not hinge on eeking out an extra week or two of growing time. We’re just growing stuff for deer to eat so as long as it grows enough, they’ll eat it.

    For example, in most of the state of MN, we are either just clear or not yet clear of the average 10 year last frost date! That means especially in the northern half of MN and WI, you are only JUST safe to plant frost sensitive plants like soybeans by 1-2 weeks in most places.

    Now the SPECIFIC last frost date varies wildly by area and it can vary by a week within a 20-mile radius depending on terrain, so always consult local data and your forecast when planting frost-sensitive plants.

    Clover is NOT frost sensitive and can be planted when you can turn dirt in the spring. You will hear a lot of advice not to spring plant clover, but most of this is, again, a southern bias. If you spring plant clover in the south in many places, it will burn up due to heat and lack of water before it gets a chance to establish.

    We here in the northern tier states don’t (for the most part) have that problem. On average, we get plenty of moisture (!), and we don’t get the kind of heat that would kill young clover until at least July. At that point, spring planted clover will usually be mature enough to handle the heat. And in most cases, it has to be a combination of heat and drought in order to kill clover, so as long as the rain keeps coming, we are generally OK in most of MN on decent soil. Obviously if you’re planting on a hillside in light soil, you’ll have problems, but in general, we don’t have the same issues as the southerners when it comes to spring planting clover.

    Now there are other reasons to fall plant clover, weed reduction being one good one. But overall, this bias against spring planting of clover is largely a southern thing and down there it’s for good reason. It’s different up here in the north.

    Grouse

    junior
    Posts: 39
    #1694372

    That’s why I love this site, every time I log on I’m learning something new, that’s true to OUR state.great info gentleman.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1694393

    Just to provide an example of if it’s ever too late, I “spring” planted clover on the 21st of June back in 2015. I had just cleared that plot and I wanted to get something growing that would be taller and more robust by fall.

    Now obviously, this would be a bad idea in most years, but in 2015 we were getting rain on an almost daily basis in June. When I planted, it was hard to find a day to do it when it was NOT raining and the 10 day forecast at the time had a 50% or better chance of rain every day for the 10 days.

    Yes, this is a good example of a bad example, my point is not that you should plant clover in late June. My point is that conditions are king when it comes to when to plant anything.

    Grouse

    junior
    Posts: 39
    #1694425

    Well hopefully this year is not a repeat of 2015. But I’m curious how did your clover turn out? Also grouse I pm you about the seed…

    deertracker
    Posts: 9237
    #1694432

    If it makes you feel any better I haven’t burned any diesel yet this spring. Headed up to NW MN tomorrow to disc and cultivate everything so we can plant our beans and corn at the end of the month.
    DT

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1694452

    Junior, go to the upper right corner and click the little mail flag, or click your user name > messages for my reply.

    The clover plot turned out just fine. With any new plot, there is going to be plenty of weed seed exposed, but clethodim spray keept the grass mostly at bay. Since this is the 3rd season on that plot, it’s slated for replacement next spring, but it’s been a good clover plot.

    Grouse

    junior
    Posts: 39
    #1698528

    Well I went out back to check on my plots I told myself​ I wasn’t gonna go out there for 2 weeks but after only getting a half inch of rain since​ I planted (June 1st) I started to get a little worried.. but surprisingly the clover and oat seed I got from Grouse is coming up pretty well, and after the rain today I suspect it should really take off.. I even planted the trail that circles around 1 of the plots in the woods and that is growing the best.. just thought I’d give a update to those who gave me all the advice. Thanks again Gentleman!

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    junior
    Posts: 39
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    A few more pics, for some reason I can’t do multiple at 1 time..

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    junior
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    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
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    #1698565

    Looking good!!!

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1698631

    Looking good, I see grain and clover coming. The deer should be all over that in about a week, that young, tender grain is hard to resist.

    I highly doubt you’ll need to mow those trails. The deer will keep them mowed for you.

    Hopefully you got some of that rain yesterday. Then things should really take off.

    junior
    Posts: 39
    #1698730

    Thanks guys, ya grouse we got a few inches of rain I can’t waiting​ to see it in 2 more weeks..

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