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CaptainMusky wrote:

Its the “GOP Extemist” part of your comment. So the Democrats are immune from that? Yeah right! Has even ONE democrat even crossed party lines to side with a Republican on anything literally anything? No, they havent. The democrats have groups like BLM, Antifa, etc all on their side, to if you want to start talking about extremism start there.

are BLM and Antifa members part of congress and the oval office? Agree they are part of a leftist extremist movement but they arent part of Washington. On the other hand there are a few phychos we all see in the news who do have a seat at congress like MTG ect. Maybe our definitions of extremists differ but i think its the GOP party that has changed the most in the last 8 years and its not even close in comparison.

To mahtofire14 point both parties have become more extreme but IMO the GOP has changed the most under Trump. Isnt that evident to you? I mean for 8 years we’ve had nothing but turmoil as America recoiled at how vile and disgusting of a human he was then slowly we embraced him and changed our own mindset and behaviors and eventually people started getting elected simply because they emulated him. Hes a cultural phenomenon. Where is that example on the Left side? I would argue that Trump has been the most influential person in the world since he came on center stage whereas if you put forth some policies or decisions made by Obama and put them next to Biden i couldnt tell you the difference. They’ve been trotting out the same toolbag for years

Didnt Democrates just try to work with the GOP to approve a new budget and met opposition? Didnt McCarthy working with Democrats play a role into why he was ousted?

You can disagree and thats fine. Thats why they are called opinions and we can each have our own.

And to provide further clarification yes i consider Trump an extremist. Wasnt that long ago when that opinion was well accepted. Now its the opposite. Seems we have a great many Trump fans on this forum so not really sure why you think my statement of there being many who prefer extremist politics that out of line

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
Imagine if the republicans would just get off the Trump train. The Dems have no good candidates and would be easily beaten in elections if republicans could just let go of Trump. They lose all the moderate voters that don’t like either side but would never vote for Trump so they vote Dem. I just don’t understand how they don’t see this.

Fully agreed here.

Nailed it.

If people want 4 more years of what’s left of Biden…give Trump the nomination. I legitimately think Sleepy Joe will win by a larger margin this go round if it’s against Trump.

If he got out of the way, this would be an easy win for Republicans. A moderate Republican who supports 2A and enforcing laws, securing the border, stays away from hot button BS like gender crap, what women do with their bodies, would walk into the White House easily and immediately give them a shot to win both the Senate and House for years to come.

*Also, the longer the infighting goes on for “second place” with other Republican candidates…the less likely Republicans win the general election in my opinion. We need ONE candidate who isn’t Trump and can lay out specific plans and policy proposals. Then let those 2 hash it out on substance.

buckybadger wrote:

If he got out of the way, this would be an easy win for Republicans.

He won’t. His ego is way too big for that. He’s the only candidate who has openly refused to support another Republican nomination in 2024.

I’ve seen several polls that show other candidates beating Biden head to head in the general election too.

I know a great many people who voted for Trump twice that would NOT do it again. They are done with him. There are better candidates than he is. I wouldnt say he is an extremist by any stretch, but they way he treats people and talks is despicable most of the time. If he would just treat people with respect, dignity and no more mean tweets he would have so much more respect from everyone. This country thrived under him. We had a closed border and no wars. Now there is the mess Biden left in Afghanistan, Ukraine and now Israel. The Democrats want war, it used to be the other way. People feared Trump around the world because he was a loose cannon and no one knew what he was capable of. Everyone in the world knows Biden is capable of nothing and he’s not even the one running this country its probably Obama. You cannot just keep printing money to fund a war or wars we have no business being in and then shove down the people like you and I and that is exactly what Biden is doing. He is an absolute disgrace and not fit for office.

Dan wrote:

I think this country is, and has been for years, yearning for a moderate Republican, someone with conservative values, principles, and voting record but doesn’t want to cancel everything, bring doom and gloom about children’s books, or promote crazy conspiracies about stolen elections. Someone that would want only responsible spending, secure borders, and maybe even libertarian “to each their own” views on various freedoms. Additionally, some decency would be great. There are those out there who fit that description but many are labeled as RINO’s by the MAGA crowd.

There are way more people, not just republicans, who desire a reasonable, logical, fair, middle of the road candidate. I repeat: not just republicans.

Everything is always so polarizing here. In everyone’s minds, you’re either an extreme lefty or an extreme righty. There is no middle ground. If you voted blue last election, you’re a handout loving, progressive, egalitarian, socialist who wants to take your guns. It seems its unfathomable to people that someone could have voted for Biden who is [gasp] middle of the road.

As captainmusky said, there were some people who simply just could not take another 4 years of DJT’s rhetoric.

If people want 4 more years of what’s left of Biden…give Trump the nomination. I legitimately think Sleepy Joe will win by a larger margin this go round if it’s against Trump.

If he got out of the way, this would be an easy win for Republicans. A moderate Republican who supports 2A and enforcing laws, securing the border, stays away from hot button BS like gender crap, what women do with their bodies, would walk into the White House easily and immediately give them a shot to win both the Senate and House for years to come.

*Also, the longer the infighting goes on for “second place” with other Republican candidates…the less likely Republicans win the general election in my opinion. We need ONE candidate who isn’t Trump and can lay out specific plans and policy proposals. Then let those 2 hash it out on substance.
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Bucky, buddy, your on vacation. Get the hell off ido lol enjoy your time away.

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Baitwaster wrote:</div>
Problem is you have too many single-issue voters. If it’s not abortion or free college – they don’t care

Yes it is only liberals who are single issue voters. I’ve heard nothing but “money” and “secure border” out of folks on this forum for years. If a politician says the word God they automatically get the votes of millions of blue hairs
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I guess the issues I brought up only have one side…

Had I said second amendment instead of free college it would have been a conservative single voter issue?

Unless trump get convicted there is no way he will not get the republican nomination in 2024. To not give it to him would lead him to run as a independent. All this would do would be to divide the normal Republican vote two different ways. This is the worse thing that could possibly happen. I’d love to see Robert F Kennedy run as an Independent. This would cause the same problem on the democratic side. There is no way the democratic party would ever allow that to happen. Here is the list of current 2024 Presidential candidates:
List of Democratic candidates
Joe Biden (D), incumbent president of the United States, announced he would run for re-election on April 25, 2023.[16]
Cenk Uygur (D), a media commentator and founder of The Young Turks, announced his candidacy on October 12, 2023. At the time of the announcement, it was not clear that Uygur met the natural born citizen requirement in Article II, Section 1, of the United States Constitution.[3]
Marianne Williamson (D), 2020 presidential candidate and author, announced her candidacy on February 23, 2023.[26]

List of Republican candidates
Ryan Binkley (R), a businessman and pastor, announced his candidacy on April 23, 2023.[32]
Doug Burgum (R), the governor of North Dakota, announced his candidacy on June 7, 2023.[33]
Chris Christie (R), former governor of New Jersey, announced his candidacy on June 6, 2023.[11]
Ron DeSantis (R), the governor of Florida, announced his candidacy on May 24, 2023.[13]
Larry Elder (R), a talk radio host and 2021 California gubernatorial candidate, announced his candidacy on April 20, 2023.[18]
Nikki Haley (R), former U.N. Ambassador and South Carolina Governor, announced her candidacy on February 14, 2023.[28]
Asa Hutchinson (R), former Arkansas Governor, announced his candidacy on April 2, 2023.[23]
Perry Johnson (R), a business owner and author, announced his candidacy on March 2, 2023.[25]
Mike Pence (R), former vice president of the United States, announced his candidacy on June 7, 2023.[34]
Vivek Ramaswamy (R), entrepreneur and political commentator, announced his candidacy on February 21, 2023.[27]
Tim Scott (R), a United States senator from South Carolina, announced his candidacy on May 22, 2023.[14]
Donald Trump (R), former U.S. President, announced his candidacy on November 15, 2022.[30]

Third party or independent candidates

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Independent), withdrew from the Democratic primary and announced he would run as an independent on October 9, 2023.[5]
Chase Oliver (Libertarian Party), a candidate in the 2022 Georgia U.S. Senate race, announced his candidacy on April 4, 2023.[22]
Cornel West (Independent), philosopher and activist, announced his candidacy on June 5, 2023.[12]

fishthumper wrote:

I’d love to see Robert F Kennedy run as an Independent. This would cause the same problem on the democratic side.

Actually I think it would be worse for Trump if Kennedy did this than Biden. Kennedy is a moderate and he would take a lot of votes away from Trump. DeSantis might have a better shot if Kennedy were the Independent however. There are polls that actually support what I am saying about Trump/Kennedy too. FWIW if you believe polls.

Bearcat89 wrote:

If people want 4 more years of what’s left of Biden…give Trump the nomination. I legitimately think Sleepy Joe will win by a larger margin this go round if it’s against Trump.

If he got out of the way, this would be an easy win for Republicans. A moderate Republican who supports 2A and enforcing laws, securing the border, stays away from hot button BS like gender crap, what women do with their bodies, would walk into the White House easily and immediately give them a shot to win both the Senate and House for years to come.

*Also, the longer the infighting goes on for “second place” with other Republican candidates…the less likely Republicans win the general election in my opinion. We need ONE candidate who isn’t Trump and can lay out specific plans and policy proposals. Then let those 2 hash it out on substance.

Bucky, buddy, your on vacation. Get the hell off ido lol enjoy your time away.
[/quote]. Thats the truth of the matter. Republicans will never win again with Trump anywhere in the picture. Look at the 7 or 8 nut republicans the dems supported, they have the House at a standstill.

fishthumper wrote:

Unless trump get convicted there is no way he will not get the republican nomination in 2024.

Let’s just say hypothetically he doesn’t get the nomination.

Who, from that list you posted is the most viable candidate now?

Let’s go ahead and remove a few that have no chance too. The list includes (in order of poll lead) DeSantis, Haley, Ramaswamy, Scott, Pence, and Christie.

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>fishthumper wrote:</div>
I’d love to see Robert F Kennedy run as an Independent. This would cause the same problem on the democratic side.

Actually I think it would be worse for Trump if Kennedy did this than Biden. Kennedy is a moderate and he would take a lot of votes away from Trump. DeSantis might have a better shot if Kennedy were the Independent however. There are polls that actually support what I am saying about Trump/Kennedy too. FWIW if you believe polls.

You are correct that there are a fair # of republicans who may vote Kennedy over Trump. But I believe it would divide the Democratic vote probably worse. Just my opinion. The ideal situation would be if Trump could not run at all and bidden gets the democratic nomination and Kennedy runs as an independent.

fishthumper wrote:

The ideal situation would be if Trump could not run at all and bidden gets the democratic nomination and Kennedy runs as an independent.

There might even be a slight chance he runs as a Republican if things sour from Trump. He hasnt really commented on it when asked. He was even asked if he would run as VP for Trump and wouldnt comment other than to say I wont rule it out.

Bearcat89 wrote:

If people want 4 more years of what’s left of Biden…give Trump the nomination. I legitimately think Sleepy Joe will win by a larger margin this go round if it’s against Trump.

If he got out of the way, this would be an easy win for Republicans. A moderate Republican who supports 2A and enforcing laws, securing the border, stays away from hot button BS like gender crap, what women do with their bodies, would walk into the White House easily and immediately give them a shot to win both the Senate and House for years to come.

*Also, the longer the infighting goes on for “second place” with other Republican candidates…the less likely Republicans win the general election in my opinion. We need ONE candidate who isn’t Trump and can lay out specific plans and policy proposals. Then let those 2 hash it out on substance.

Bucky, buddy, your on vacation. Get the hell off ido lol enjoy your time away.
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I handed my phone to a British guy smoking cigars on the beach with me and had him read this thread. He laughed for a long time, then gave some pretty cool insight on what British media thinks of our politics and leadership. They laughed equally hard at Biden and Trump, and said their media basically has painted the US as everyone being radicalized one way or another. It sounds like although their politics are chaotic as well, it’s not nearly the focal point ours are.

…And his gasoline is the equivalent of about $8 a gallon currently while he runs a construction company employing about 80 guys. Inflation is definitely global as well. Some of their costs he described were hard to fathom.

gimruis wrote:

Who, from that list you posted is the most viable candidate now?

I’d love to see a Desantis, Haley pairing. Sadly Trump still has a wide margin in current polling. To be honest I don’t understand why the Democrat party pushed so hard for trumps conviction. Their best chance would be if he was in the picture. Although I think they still Fear him. Especially now with the near 20% approval rating drop that bidden has Taken in polls.

This whole thread makes me want to vomit. The media brainwashing is definitely working. It amazes me how well they’ve trained the general public to hate Trump.
I don’t follow politics much and wont claim to be any kind of expert.
My basic observations
Under Trump we had-
No wars (1st in my lifetime), lower gas prices, better economy, peace deals in the middle east and north Korea, making allies in the UN pay their fare share, border security, and a president who actually addressed the nation in complete sentences without a teleprompter putting words in his mouth. Just a few things that even someone who avoids politics can see.
Why there is so much hate is beyond me. Has he made less than ideal choices, sure probably. Are we all perfect? Hell no.
We need a business man who knows how to manage money, this country is a business when you boil it down. We do not need a corrupt career politician or a generational politician that sounds closer to death than Biden (Kennedy).
Trump is the only rich politician with receipts. Biden, Pelosi, Feinstein, and others have (had) large estates and millions of dollars that didn’t come from their salaries. Nothing to see there though…..
I like Vivek Ramaswamy and Ron Desantis points of view but they can’t win the nomination if they run against Trump. They’d be better off endorsing him and planning for the next election.
Trump is our only chance to change anything. He’ll certainly get the nomination. Get on board or prepare for another 4 years of the Biden administration’s (who knows who’s really even running the show, it’s definitely not Joe Biden)lies and deception. Hopefully we have a country left by then, at the rate we’re going now, I really doubt we would.
America first. MAGA
Trump 2024

I’m not saying I would not vote for trump if he gets the nomination, Nor that I hate the guy. He’s just not my 1st choice. The republicans could not win with him last time, and I doubt they could win with him Next time. I also don’t believe he’s the only person who can change thing. Once again in MY opinion, You are correct that our country was in a much better place overall when he was in office than now.

Honestly im not sure anyone will beat the democratic nomination anymore. Believe what you want, in my limited experience with elections the 2020 election was a hot mess of fishy situations. Late night vote counts, missing ballots, dead people casting votes, etc. Not to mention letting millions of new people in. They’ll let them vote too, citizen or not, mark my words.

Trump has the popularity. The GOP should be banding together to support him and get everyone on board. Unfortunately that’s not going to happen.

Grubson, it’s got nothing to do with whether Trump is the evil maniac that the media portrays him as or not. The country has spoken in the elections (Presidential and midterm) and it’s pretty obvious that the Republicans will have a very hard time winning elections at any level when it involves Trump or his constituents. You need to have independents and moderates voting for you and they clearly don’t vote for Trump. If the midterm elections and the Red Wave that was supposed to happen wasn’t enough evidence of that I don’t know what else would be.

Republicans should’ve had control over the house and senate after the midterms but they went with a bunch of Trump people and every single one of them lost. It’s time to move on if this country doesn’t want liberals controlling the government anymore.

FWIW… Biden will be like a bowl of oatmeal come 2024… even weekend at Bernie’s won’t work… if he is still even breathing by then.

big_g wrote:

FWIW… Biden will be like a bowl of oatmeal come 2024… even weekend at Bernie’s won’t work… if he is still even breathing by then.

LOL.

Then Harris can take over.

Where is that cackle emoji ?!!!

A bowl of oatmeal is predictable compared to the alternative bowl of spicy orange schezuan soup. With most spicy things you worry about spicy going in, but with the last election and the guilty verdicts still coming in, you worry about that spicy coming out the other end. Like it or not, and you can believe it or not but that toilet bowl is filling up with orange on the back end now.

mahtofire14 wrote:

Grubson, it’s got nothing to do with whether Trump is the evil maniac that the media portrays him as or not. The country has spoken in the elections (Presidential and midterm) and it’s pretty obvious that the Republicans will have a very hard time winning elections at any level when it involves Trump or his constituents. You need to have independents and moderates voting for you and they clearly don’t vote for Trump. If the midterm elections and the Red Wave that was supposed to happen wasn’t enough evidence of that I don’t know what else would be.

Republicans should’ve had control over the house and senate after the midterms but they went with a bunch of Trump people and every single one of them lost. It’s time to move on if this country doesn’t want liberals controlling the government anymore.

Trump led the last election until the 4am ballots came in. Im not necessarily buying that red wave didn’t happen. It all just seemed really odd. Having every news outlet and politician immediately condemn him or anyone for questioning the results makes it even more fishy to me. If they didn’t mess with the election they should have came out with facts and blasted them across every platform. That never happened.
Instead they cried orange man bad and swept it under the rug. Three years later and you’re a maga extremist for even bringing up the 2020 election. I never saw any actual investigations or court cases involving the election. If there was they sure wrapped it up quick, and that never happens in our judicial system.
If they could prove it why didn’t they shout it from the mountain tops?
Check out the movie 2000 mules, interesting stuff.
Much like January 6th. What I watched on TV that day and what they claim happened now are two different things. It’s amazing how fast everyone forgot that day and just bought into the story the news is telling.

Trump is leading in every poll right now. I can’t see him not getting the nomination.
If I thought someone else had a chance I’d consider supporting them. If someone else wins the nomination I’ll support them. Anything is better than where we are now.

Grubson and Mahtofire – nailed it.

I liked Trump he was straightforward and said what he thought – not tied to washington politics or the PAC’s. Like it or not he took us in the right direction. Did he do things for himslef or big business – I have no doubt yes. Name ONE president who didn’t.
IF he is out of the picture though it opes the doors for these pissant juvenile republicans to get their own house in order and take over. Unfortunately Trunp out of the picture is the only hope I see for this country.
We are TOAST with democrats ( someone mentioned crazy republicans – how about Pelosi, how about Jeffries for starters – they should be deported)

I was trading messages with a feller down in Iowa earlier this week. He was a bit upset as he had a potential customer upset because my buddy wouldn’t drop everything and move the asshat to the head of the line. My guy needed a good laugh. Dutch to the rescue….consider this thread your good laugh, enjoy.

Feels like groundhogs day around here sometimes. Usually the closer we get to Friday

crappie55369 wrote:

Feels like groundhogs day around here sometimes. Usually the closer we get to Friday

The premise of the thread was tonight’s televised address. The follow up question was who was going to watch. The rest of the thread was provided by those who have an opinion on politics, ethics, the state of the country ect. Even you had something to say. Thank you for participating.

It’s hard to even believe he’s actually gonna be giving the real speech, between “AI” and deep fake the American people wouldn’t even be to tell the difference. He’s completely gone, at this point it’s elder abuse.
I wonder if he’ll start the conversation about how when he lived in Israel or crack a dumb joke about it? And the delicious ice cream he had well visiting over there?

Midterm elections – I believe the supreme court ruling on abortion energized the democrats which killed the republican waive that was expected.

So, Joe is going to ask for funding for Ukraine and Israel. Why do we need to fund them? Can’t they increase their national debt like we do and fund their war themselves?