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There is a Wild game tonight. That will be my priority.

I’m too busy for American politics at the moment

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Hard Water Fan wrote:

There is a Wild game tonight. That will be my priority.

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gimruis wrote:

My point is that none of this is helpful if you want to win elections. You can’t expect to keep control of the House or win the Senate/White House with this nonsense going on. Maybe I am wrong, but it does not look good to swing voters. No one can tell me that they think this is going to win over more voters with an honest face, and that’s the end goal here. To win elections and/or majority.

Could not agree more. But then again. This is the way the system is designed to work. I don’t see some republicans not agreeing with a choice as Bad. I’d rather see that than what happens on the other side. Far Far less democrats broke rank in their vote than Republicans. That said I agree its not a good look for them.

the republicans have no excuses for not winning the next elections. it will be interesting to watch play out, thats for sure.

on a related note, interesting there’s been no mention on this site of the parties starting to plead guilty to election conspiracy cases from the last election. that too, will be interesting to watch as it plays out for the other defendants.

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

the republicans have no excuses for not winning the next elections. it will be interesting to watch play out, thats for sure.

If Trump gets out of the way I agree. If not, All bets are off. I simply do not see any republican who voted against trump last time doing any different this time. And I for sure do not see any Democrat who voted for Biden, doing any different this time. For that matter I don’t see a Democrat voting any different no matter who their candidate is. I also don’t see 4 more years of new voters being added to the voting pool helping much. Just my opinion, For this countries sake I hope I am wrong.

Problem is you have too many single-issue voters. If it’s not abortion or free college – they don’t care.

Are far as the clown show speaker fiasco affecting the next election – forget it. Voters memories are way too short for that…

Baitwaster wrote:

Problem is you have too many single-issue voters. If it’s not abortion or free college – they don’t care.

Agree. That is a Huge problem. Lets let our country go to poop, Just as long as abortions are legal and we get free education.

fishthumper wrote:

For that matter I don’t see a Democrat voting any different no matter who their candidate is.

to your own point, if Trump is out of the picture, I believe there’d be a lot of voters move from blue to red.

I think my favorite political sign from the last election was “I’m a republican but I’m not an idiot. Anyone but Trump”

If you can’t control your party there is no way the majority of the people in this country are going to elect you President. The Electoral College may, but the people won’t.

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

I think my favorite political sign from the last election was “I’m a republican but I’m not an idiot. Anyone but Trump”

I think this country is, and has been for years, yearning for a moderate Republican, someone with conservative values, principles, and voting record but doesn’t want to cancel everything, bring doom and gloom about children’s books, or promote crazy conspiracies about stolen elections. Someone that would want only responsible spending, secure borders, and maybe even libertarian “to each their own” views on various freedoms. Additionally, some decency would be great. There are those out there who fit that description but many are labeled as RINO’s by the MAGA crowd.

Dan wrote:

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I think my favorite political sign from the last election was “I’m a republican but I’m not an idiot. Anyone but Trump”

I think this country is, and has been for years, yearning for a moderate Republican, someone with conservative values, principles, and voting record but doesn’t want to cancel everything, bring doom and gloom about children’s books, or promote crazy conspiracies about stolen elections. Someone that would want only responsible spending, secure borders, and maybe even libertarian “to each their own” views on various freedoms. Additionally, some decency would be great. There are those out there who fit that description but many are labeled as RINO’s by the MAGA crowd.

I agree. How do we make that happen?

Dan wrote:

I think this country is, and has been for years, yearning for a moderate Republican

Dan wrote:

There are those out there who fit that description

Who do you think are those candidates?
What do you think a democrat is yearning for?

Trying to listen to Biden is like watching Ozzy on the Osbourne’s. Can’t understand a friggen word.

I’ll read a re-cap tomorrow.

The preview is:

President Biden is expected to ask Congress in the coming days to approve about $100 billion in emergency funds to arm Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan and fortify the U.S.-Mexico border, according to multiple people familiar with the plan.

-J.

Joe Jarl wrote:

I agree

Same

Every time I see Biden, he looks more and more like him……

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mahtofire14 wrote:

Every time I see Biden, he looks more and more like him……

They do, But Walter has far great Cognitive Ability. And he’s the one people call a dummy

Seems to me WWIII has begun and no one seems to have noticed. Funny how history repeats itself…..

-J.

fishthumper wrote:

What do you think a democrat is yearning for?

I don’t know the context or reasoning behind asking that question, but I have no idea. I also don’t align with the majority of far-left and liberal policies and beliefs so I don’t care either. The Democrats, to probably a lesser extent, have their own differing factions. I’m sure I’ll catch hell for this, but people like Biden and Amy Klobuchar are somewhat moderate compared to the far-left progressive part of the party. Obama caught hell when he said on TV that he didn’t believe the police needed to be defunded. Biden caught hell when he didn’t want to relieve every single penny of student loan debt, like a lot of the far-left wanted

Dan wrote:

but people like Biden and Amy Klobuchar are somewhat moderate compared to the far-left progressive part of the party

I have no idea where Biden truly lands on the scale. At this point I’m not even sure if he know where he is. I do know that his strings are being held and pulled by some of those far left party members you are talking about.

Dan wrote:

I think this country is, and has been for years, yearning for a moderate Republican, someone with conservative values, principles, and voting record but doesn’t want to cancel everything, bring doom and gloom about children’s books, or promote crazy conspiracies about stolen elections. Someone that would want only responsible spending, secure borders, and maybe even libertarian “to each their own” views on various freedoms. Additionally, some decency would be great. There are those out there who fit that description but many are labeled as RINO’s by the MAGA crowd.

Sounds great to me but I won’t hold my breath. I think the majority of folks, including many here, consider that brand of politics outdated and enjoy the extremist point of view prevalent in today’s GOP.

Baitwaster wrote:

Problem is you have too many single-issue voters. If it’s not abortion or free college – they don’t care

Yes it is only liberals who are single issue voters. I’ve heard nothing but “money” and “secure border” out of folks on this forum for years. If a politician says the word God they automatically get the votes of millions of blue hairs

Imagine if the republicans would just get off the Trump train. The Dems have no good candidates and would be easily beaten in elections if republicans could just let go of Trump. They lose all the moderate voters that don’t like either side but would never vote for Trump so they vote Dem. I just don’t understand how they don’t see this.

mahtofire14 wrote:

Imagine if the republicans would just get off the Trump train.

As mentioned already. The vote is for the party, not the candidate. Both parties need to put up better candidates.

The last 2 election have been “Who you vote against” rather than “Who you vote for”.

-J.

crappie55369 wrote:

I think the majority of folks, including many here, consider that brand of politics outdated and enjoy the extremist point of view prevalent in today’s GOP.

Puhlease I just cant even with this comment.
I think Bobby Kennedy Jr would be a viable candidate but he stands to hurt Trump more than help him. I sure hope Trump doesnt get the nod because we could have a good race. Normally I dont like it when a third party comes into the fray, but this time one could win. Its crazy that more voting registered democrats dont want Biden to run, but they just march him down there anyway.

mahtofire14 wrote:

Imagine if the republicans would just get off the Trump train. The Dems have no good candidates and would be easily beaten in elections if republicans could just let go of Trump. They lose all the moderate voters that don’t like either side but would never vote for Trump so they vote Dem. I just don’t understand how they don’t see this.

Fully agreed here.

CaptainMusky wrote:

Puhlease I just cant even with this comment.

If it wasnt true than how do you explain Trump as the face of the party for the last 8 years and people like Romney, Cain, and Cheney being cast aside as traitors and RINO’s? If the majority of people didnt approve of the Trump’s message he wouldnt have won (twice?)

In todays politics if you work with a Democrat on legislation you better prepare your resignation letter. Wasnt always that way

CaptainMusky wrote:

Normally I dont like it when a third party comes into the fray, but this time one could win.

Former Maryland Governor Larry Hogan has floated this idea, as has Senator Joe Manchin. They have called it a “No Labels” party.

I think half the country has starting hating liberal politics so much they WANTED an extremist. I’m not saying that’s right, but each election each side gets more hate able and extreme to counter the other. It’s a never ending spiral I fear, unfortunately.

But in the end, if we’re being honest here, that’s what they both want.

John Rasmussen wrote:

Hard pass for me. Would rather watch just about anything.

Same here. I got a scab to pick at if Politics is all that’s on TV.

crappie55369 wrote:

If it wasnt true than how do you explain Trump as the face of the party for the last 8 years and people like Romney, Cain, and Cheney being cast aside as traitors and RINO’s? If the majority of people didnt approve of the Trump’s message he wouldnt have won (twice?)

In todays politics if you work with a Democrat on legislation you better prepare your resignation letter. Wasnt always that way

Its the “GOP Extemist” part of your comment. So the Democrats are immune from that? Yeah right! Has even ONE democrat even crossed party lines to side with a Republican on anything literally anything? No, they havent. The democrats have groups like BLM, Antifa, etc all on their side, to if you want to start talking about extremism start there.