MN Wild 2019-2020 Official Thread

  • mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #1978367

    I don’t like any of those names on the goalie list. Stick with Staylock and Kakhonen and save your money until something better comes along. It’s not like we’re going to be chasing the cup this season anyway.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11601
    #1978454

    Cam Tolbot 3 years. Seems like one year to long.

    hop307
    Northern Todd County
    Posts: 609
    #1978474

    Lundqvist signs one-year, $1.5 million contract with Capitals

    hop307
    Northern Todd County
    Posts: 609
    #1978475

    Holtby gone as well, signed a two-year, $8.6 million contract with the Vancouver Canucks

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #1978526

    The Talbot signing is a bit of a head scratcher, but he doesnt have a ntc so he can be moved at anytime especially trade deadline…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11601
    #1978534

    Yeah thought it was strange as well

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11654
    #1978599

    The Talbot signing is a bit of a head scratcher, but he doesnt have a ntc so he can be moved at anytime especially trade deadline…

    Or expose him at the expansion draft and see what happens. We’re going to lose a player no matter what.

    Grouse

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1978894

    Koivu is a Blue Jacket? (

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11601
    #1978906

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
    The Talbot signing is a bit of a head scratcher, but he doesnt have a ntc so he can be moved at anytime especially trade deadline…

    Or expose him at the expansion draft and see what happens. We’re going to lose a player no matter what.

    Grouse

    Seattle will have plenty of solid goalies to choose from.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #1978947

    Pretty sure you’re thinking of Freddie Anderson, not Craig.

    Ha! Yep, that other Anderson. I have a buddy named Craig Anderson and he was a goalie in college. LOL

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #1978949

    The Talbot signing is a bit of a head scratcher, but he doesnt have a ntc so he can be moved at anytime especially trade deadline…

    Talbot I think is a decent signing. I dont mind the third year that others are complaining about. Its basically a 2 year deal and can be moved whenever provided one of our young guys steps up. There is going to be a ton of cap space after next season that will allow for a bunch of options to explore for GMBG. This roster already looks dramatically different and will be VERY different after next year possibly.
    His moves are starting to come together I think. We will still be stuck with a terrible contract in Zuccarello, but perhaps he gets his game back in order this year.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #1978970

    The capspace the Wild will open up next year will likely quickly get eaten up with long term extensions for Fiala, Kaprizov and Erickson Ek. It will be interesting to see what term BillyG hands to these young guys, shorter & less expensive bridge deals until they hit their UF years, or pay their higher price for longer term and hope the deals become bargains as they hopefully improve with age.

    I think BillyG is hoping to be done with the rebuild after NEXT season, so he’ll unload all of our expiring contracts at the deadline, get through the expansion draft and then know exactly what he has and find the niche players needed to build his team while plugging in our young top prospects when they are ready…

    The next season can’t start soon enough!

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #1978976

    The capspace the Wild will open up next year will likely quickly get eaten up with long term extensions for Fiala, Kaprizov and Erickson Ek. It will be interesting to see what term BillyG hands to these young guys, shorter & less expensive bridge deals until they hit their UF years, or pay their higher price for longer term and hope the deals become bargains as they hopefully improve with age.

    I have a feeling Billy is going to try longer term for KK and Fiala at a lower rate to buy us some time with KK to determine if hes a stud. A bridge deal also makes sense but I think he gets to UFA faster due to his advanced age. Russo has talked about it before but cannot remember the specifics. Similar situation to Soucy this year.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11654
    #1979054

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
    The Talbot signing is a bit of a head scratcher, but he doesnt have a ntc so he can be moved at anytime especially trade deadline…

    Or expose him at the expansion draft and see what happens. We’re going to lose a player no matter what.

    Grouse

    Seattle will have plenty of solid goalies to choose from.

    Yes that was my point. We have little risk exposing Talbot and so we don’t have to protect him. Win-win. We need more of these so we can use protected slots where they matter.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11601
    #1979071

    ^^^Got it.
    Yeah the one goalie they will protect at this point is Kappo no doubt.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11654
    #1979134

    Pietrangelo signs 7 year $61.6 millon deal with Vegas. about 8.8m per year salary. With a NMC. Wow.

    Grouse

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #1979191

    Pietrangelo signs 7 year $61.6 millon deal with Vegas. about 8.8m per year salary. With a NMC. Wow.

    Grouse

    Its amazing how Vegas continues to get big deals like this done. There was a heavy cost however. Nate Schmidt for a 3rd. Oooof.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #1979214

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
    Pietrangelo signs 7 year $61.6 millon deal with Vegas. about 8.8m per year salary. With a NMC. Wow.

    Grouse

    Its amazing how Vegas continues to get big deals like this done. There was a heavy cost however. Nate Schmidt for a 3rd. Oooof.

    Living in Vegas and paying no income tax on that salary, pretty nice indeed…

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #1982744

    Thought we should recognize today’s retirement of a Wild fan favorite.

    Martin Hanzal.

    jester

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11601
    #1982748

    He’s was a perfect fit as a third line center to go along with our other third line centers. chased

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11654
    #1982812

    Thought we should recognize today’s retirement of a Wild fan favorite.

    Martin Hanzal.

    jester

    Most would say he was already retired when he unpacked his bag in Minnesota.

    Another Minnesota GM Fail.

    Grouse

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #1983189

    off topic, but I remember recently reading (I think from Russo) that the Wild will get a compensatory 2nd round draft pick (55th overall) if they don’t sign 2018 1st round pick Filip Johansson soon? Does anybody know the due date on that? I think this is the best option the Wild has for him, just a terrible pick and we wouldn’t get anything remotely close to that value trading him…

    Here’s the official NHL rule about it:

    Compensatory Picks: If a team does not sign their first-round pick within two years, they will be awarded a compensatory pick in the Draft immediately following. The pick will be in the 2nd round, equal to the selection number of the unsigned player. All other teams\’ selections move back one spot.

    2x1st, 2x2nd, 2x3rd round picks next year sounds nice! and if the Wild & Penguins completely tank it could turn into a potential franchise altering draft!

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #1983208

    off topic, but I remember recently reading (I think from Russo) that the Wild will get a compensatory 2nd round draft pick (55th overall) if they don’t sign 2018 1st round pick Filip Johansson soon? Does anybody know the due date on that? I think this is the best option the Wild has for him, just a terrible pick and we wouldn’t get anything remotely close to that value trading him…

    I know Russo talked about it and I was going through his tweets and he referenced a similar screengrab that you have there pertaining to the rules, but he followed it up with this: He was asked: “Is it 2 years after being drafted, or 2 years after turning 20? I am slightly confused.” replied with: “4 years after being drafted.” “I think”. He says there is a differentiation if the player is “European” or not which Johansson clearly is. He also mentioned that the team cannot just decide to NOT sign him and still get the compensatory pick, they actually have to make an effort. Which with how ELCs work they are basically slotted for a certain dollar amount anyway so not sure how they could navigate there. Jimmy Vesey comes to mind that didnt sign with who he was drafted by (CBJ?) but I think that scenario was a bit different and not sure if it included a compensatory pick or not. There have been others, but just not ringing a bell.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #1983243

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
    off topic, but I remember recently reading (I think from Russo) that the Wild will get a compensatory 2nd round draft pick (55th overall) if they don’t sign 2018 1st round pick Filip Johansson soon? Does anybody know the due date on that? I think this is the best option the Wild has for him, just a terrible pick and we wouldn’t get anything remotely close to that value trading him…

    I know Russo talked about it and I was going through his tweets and he referenced a similar screengrab that you have there pertaining to the rules, but he followed it up with this: He was asked: “Is it 2 years after being drafted, or 2 years after turning 20? I am slightly confused.” replied with: “4 years after being drafted.” “I think”. He says there is a differentiation if the player is “European” or not which Johansson clearly is. He also mentioned that the team cannot just decide to NOT sign him and still get the compensatory pick, they actually have to make an effort. Which with how ELCs work they are basically slotted for a certain dollar amount anyway so not sure how they could navigate there. Jimmy Vesey comes to mind that didnt sign with who he was drafted by (CBJ?) but I think that scenario was a bit different and not sure if it included a compensatory pick or not. There have been others, but just not ringing a bell.

    yeah, it sounded a bit too good to be true…I could see alot of teams abusing the rule and basically getting a 1 less round re-do of their top pick if they end up being a total dud…

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11654
    #1983528

    off topic, but I remember recently reading (I think from Russo) that the Wild will get a compensatory 2nd round draft pick (55th overall) if they don’t sign 2018 1st round pick Filip Johansson soon? Does anybody know the due date on that? I think this is the best option the Wild has for him, just a terrible pick and we wouldn’t get anything remotely close to that value trading him…

    Speaking of Wild GM fails…

    It is an absolute miracle with as badly as our GMs have performed in the draft, that this team hasn’t been like last year’s Deadwings for about the last 10 years. Has any team in the league failed even close to this badly when it comes to getting something out of there R1 and 2 picks? Of course that is when our GM didn’t burn the picks on Martin Hansen rentals or lose them in botched deals.

    Grandlund, Tuch, Kunin, and if you go back further, the fails get even worse.

    Have we had the dumbest general managers in the league or the worst player development in the league? OR both?

    Grouse

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #1983537

    Ottawa has been bad forever with many top picks that fizzled out…but Columbus might actually be worse (other than drafting Rick Nash)…. funny they both came in at the same time and both have been miserable drafters..

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #1983552

    I think what separates the success of a GM and scouting is finding the gems in the later rounds versus the 1st round picks. So many first rounders turn out to be nothing much, but how many times have you seen guys like Braden Point that are huge players and essentially come out of nowhere?
    To me its hard to say Granlund, Tuch and Kunin are busts. Tuch is having a good career in Vegas and we would love to have him here still, but obviously things happened. Granlund was a solid player, but we had him in the wrong role for too long playing center. Now he is in a worse role with the Preds. Kunin was always going to be a middle 6 type of guy and I still see that. Its not often that 1st round picks turn out to be what the hype is about, but I am not sure those were bad picks either. I guess we could look at others we could have drafted vs Granlund and Kunin and hindsight it, but at the time they were solid picks.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #1983566

    Grandlund, Tuch, Kunin, and if you go back further, the fails get even worse.

    Grouse it’s great that you keep this post active, but sometimes your takes are just delusional.

    Granlund, Tuch, and Kunin are busts?? Or fails or whatever you want to call them?? They’re all mid 1st round picks having NHL careers that mirror their draft position:
    Granlund 9th overall – 9th most points in 2010 draft
    Tuch 18th overall – 19th most points in the 2014 draft
    Kunin 15th overall – 15th most points in the 2016 draft

    A 1st round fail is Fillip Johanson or Zach Phillips. Or the bruins 2015 1st round debacle. That’s a fail.

    It’s like you expect them to get Connor McDavid in the middle of the 1st round or else it’s a failure. Oh wait he sucks too so that’d probably be a fail as well.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #1983568

    So many first rounders turn out to be nothing much, but how many times have you seen guys like Braden Point that are huge players and essentially come out of nowhere?

    Fun fact: Did you know Fletcher traded the 3rd round pick to Tampa that they used on Point. It was a draft day pick for picks trade and rumor has it the Wild would have taken Point if they kept the pick.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #1983582

    Fun fact: Did you know Fletcher traded the 3rd round pick to Tampa that they used on Point. It was a draft day pick for picks trade and rumor has it the Wild would have taken Point if they kept the pick.

    #TOOSOON! LOL I didn’t know it at the time, but became painfully aware of it all playoffs this year. Yep, we traded that pick to drop back one spot and took Belpedio. He might be an NHL player this year and he has some upside, but it will be hard to imagine him being as solid as Point has been for the Bolts. The Wild did get an extra pick in the 2015 draft (7th round) and picked Jack Sadek with it.

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