MN Wild 2019-2020 Official Thread

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Well, that’s damning by faint praise if ever I read it.

So what you’re saying is that other than totally botching half of his whopping two critical first-round picks, the man did a fairly average job with the rest? To put it another way, then, he totally sucked?

The GM job isn’t about making a few good moves and you get to forget the rest. A good GM has to be judged by a combination of making good decisions and avoiding bad ones. It isn’t a one to one equation where one good decision “cancels out” a questionable or bad one. One bad decision can easily wipe out years of average or even good ones.

The Wild have never had a GM who was above a C on the grade scale. Gurin is too soon into his tenure to be graded.

Grouse

My point was Fenton had an eye for talent we can obviously see that with Fiala right now and Boldy is really improving in College right now. I think the Johannson gaff was more about the staff in place after Fletcher than on Fenton himself. He will have a better track record with his trades that his predecessors. Which isnt necessarily saying much because Risebrough absolutely sucked.
BG must be better or we will be in for a long long road to relevant hockey.

Galchenyuk most likely wasn’t going to bring much of anything. Not now. Galchenyuk has been a 30 goal scorer not very long ago and he was a #3 over all. Sometimes a change of scenery can light the fire in a guy like that again and maybe Billy wants to see if he can take off at the end of the season here. If he does his value can only go up or you have the option of fitting him into the roster. This season is a write off so he has nothing to lose and everything to gain keeping hium around the rest of the season.

Now with almost 24 hours in the rear view of the deadline I don’t have a problem with nothing being done. Only downside now is because nothing happened the botched Parise deal is the only thing to look at and talk about and it’s a negative.

Ice Cap wrote:

My point was Fenton had an eye for talent we can obviously see that with Fiala right now and Boldy is really improving in College right now.

I have heard this really was Fenton’s strength. Too bad he couldn’t manage.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

So what you’re saying is that other than totally botching half of his whopping two critical first-round picks, the man did a fairly average job with the rest? To put it another way, then, he totally sucked?
The GM job isn’t about making a few good moves and you get to forget the rest. A good GM has to be judged by a combination of making good decisions and avoiding bad ones. It isn’t a one to one equation where one good decision “cancels out” a questionable or bad one. One bad decision can easily wipe out years of average or even good ones.
The Wild have never had a GM who was above a C on the grade scale. Gurin is too soon into his tenure to be graded.

So here it is for all to see, for all who read/commented in this Post on the Wild for the past 4 years.

This is the Ultimate “TMSF” post of all time.

Ice Cap wrote:

Galchenyuk most likely wasn’t going to bring much of anything. Not now. Galchenyuk has been a 30 goal scorer not very long ago and he was a #3 over all.

I can’t agree more here; you try and sign him for a year or two for a club friendly deal and give him a full season on the roster, and if he chooses not to sign, no loss.

Ice Cap wrote:

Only downside now is because nothing happened the botched Parise deal is the only thing to look at and talk about and it’s a negative.

I think there is a general over reaction to the what now scenario, this happened last year with Zucker, I can’t see the results being any different.

Ice Cap wrote:

Galchenyuk most likely wasn’t going to bring much of anything. Not now. Galchenyuk has been a 30 goal scorer not very long ago and he was a #3 over all. Sometimes a change of scenery can light the fire in a guy like that again and maybe Billy wants to see if he can take off at the end of the season here. If he does his value can only go up or you have the option of fitting him into the roster. This season is a write off so he has nothing to lose and everything to gain keeping hium around the rest of the season.

Now with almost 24 hours in the rear view of the deadline I don’t have a problem with nothing being done. Only downside now is because nothing happened the botched Parise deal is the only thing to look at and talk about and it’s a negative.

but Galchenyuk is a UFA after this year, you get something for him now and if you liked him you can try to resign him as a FA. Do you think he’s going to give the Wild any advantage to signing him as a FA if they keep him on vs trading him? If he has an offer for more $$ to sign elsewhere he’s gonna do that… It’s a similar scenario to Staal last year, we could have got a 1st round pick for him and then just resigned him as a FA 3 months later…and for those who will argue that they were honoring his wishes to stay with his family vs trade him at the deadline, I say BS, it’s a business for both the players and the team.

Jighead4914 wrote:

Still need a set of new Goalies, I am glad we did not trade Zac for ladd. Gurin did not do any panic trades, just to make a trade. Remenber Darcy, here the top Six Sv% here.
Tuukka Rask
2.17
Darcy Kuemper
2.17
Tristan Jarry
2.23
Anton Khudobin
2.26
Pavel Francouz
2.27
Jake Allen
2.29
Stalock 2.69 not bad but not great. And are one goalie Dubnyk % is 3.34. Not good at all.

We have a good pool of goalie prospects including arguably the #1 goalie in the AHL with NHL wins under his belt and the #5 goalie in the OHL. We need goal scorers more than anything else…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

We have a good pool of goalie prospects including arguably the #1 goalie in the AHL with NHL wins under his belt and the #5 goalie in the OHL. We need Top 2 Centers more than anything else…

fixed it for you.

Loser: Bill Guerin’s scalpel
The Minnesota Wild did well for themselves in the Jason Zucker trade with Pittsburgh, getting a solid prospect in defenseman Calen Addison, a conditional first-round pick and the expiring contract of forward Alex Galchenyuk.

But that’s where the slicing and dicing ended for GM Bill Guerin. Mikko Koivu flexed his no-move clause to remain in Minnesota. Potential big deals for players like Matt Dumba and Jonas Brodin never materialized. Most notable was the rumored deal that would have sent Zach Parise, and a contract that expires in 2025, to the Islanders. Multiple reports suggested that he waived his no-move clause to play for Lou Lamoriello. But nothing happened. Well, there’s always the draft.

– ESPN

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
We have a good pool of goalie prospects including arguably the #1 goalie in the AHL with NHL wins under his belt and the #5 goalie in the OHL. We need Top 2 Centers more than anything else…

fixed it for you.

Ha! This will continue to be an issue for most teams in the NHL and bottom line, unless you open the bank vault and are a childhood dream team to play for (Toronto with Tavares) #1 centers almost NEVER hit the open market…You must develop them, maybe Boldy will be that guy in 1-2 years, maybe we get lucky in this draft and can pick a Byfield or Rossi and they turn into that guy in 1-2 years? I do think getting a bonafied #2 Center (Domi, Suzuki) via trading Dumba or Brodin is certainly doable and likely what we do at this years draft.

mplspug wrote:

Loser: Bill Guerin’s scalpel
The Minnesota Wild did well for themselves in the Jason Zucker trade with Pittsburgh, getting a solid prospect in defenseman Calen Addison, a conditional first-round pick and the expiring contract of forward Alex Galchenyuk.

But that’s where the slicing and dicing ended for GM Bill Guerin. Mikko Koivu flexed his no-move clause to remain in Minnesota. Potential big deals for players like Matt Dumba and Jonas Brodin never materialized. Most notable was the rumored deal that would have sent Zach Parise, and a contract that expires in 2025, to the Islanders. Multiple reports suggested that he waived his no-move clause to play for Lou Lamoriello. But nothing happened. Well, there’s always the draft.

– ESPN

Lou got cold feet after his Pageau trade debacle, plain and simple…(the contract details would easily get figured out in 30 minutes by the team’s Salary cap guys, that’s what they get paid to do) so that excuse is just fakenews to save face… BillyG isn’t to blame for it, he almost did the impossible in trading Parise… I can guarantee you Carolina made a crappy offer to the Wild for Dumba or Brodin (likely just the 1st rounder, no prospects) BillyG said no, so they ended up settling for Skjei. Carolina will have to sell Skjei after the season and I doubt they’ll get a #1 back…

Parise, who is in the eighth year of a 13-year contract he signed July 4, 2012, declined to say whether he waived a no-trade clause that is part of his contract.

“You know, there’s always conversations between players and general managers that are private and should be private, and with all due respect to the question, I don’t like to talk about those types of conversations,” the forward said.

From a article at NHL.com sounds like the Parise deal was not supposed to be general media knowledge. Parise seems sensitive to the question he’s going to be asked a lot.

Also from the article.

Wild general manager Bill Guerin, who took over for Paul Fenton on Aug. 21, 2019, said Monday that he explored an opportunity to trade Parise, who has 37 points (21 goals and 16 assists) in 61 games this season, but nothing came of it before the deadline.

This kind of sounds like Billy G was behind the possibility of moving Parise. Maybe it had been talked about in the past year but Billy G maybe pursued it and made the effort to make it happen? My impressions of Billy G is he’s a player’s GM and likes to know what goes on in his locker room. If so this would indicate some rift between Billy G and Parise.

Of course now they are both going out of their way saying how everything is just fine and one big happy family. A sure sign it’s not!

The Wild should get a rid of Parise he is a CANCER to the team from day one. Its all about him and Sutter and not about the team. He is one of the worst skaters I have seen in along time. During his whole career nobody has taught him how to skate. All game he skates in circles and sits in front of the net while everybody else does the work in the corners. When things aren’t going well he wants to bail on the team that is giving him all his money. Find a team that will give us two bags of pucks for him and let him go!!

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Fishing59 wrote:

The Wild should get a rid of Parise he is a CANCER to the team from day one. Its all about him and Sutter and not about the team. He is one of the worst skaters I have seen in along time. During his whole career nobody has taught him how to skate. All game he skates in circles and sits in front of the net while everybody else does the work in the corners. When things aren’t going well he wants to bail on the team that is giving him all his money. Find a team that will give us two bags of pucks for him and let him go!!

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That’s a uniquely interesting theory. Tell me more.

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JoeMX1825 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jighead4914 wrote:</div>
Still need a set of new Goalies, I am glad we did not trade Zac for ladd. Gurin did not do any panic trades, just to make a trade. Remenber Darcy, here the top Six Sv% here.
Tuukka Rask
2.17
Darcy Kuemper
2.17
Tristan Jarry
2.23
Anton Khudobin
2.26
Pavel Francouz
2.27
Jake Allen
2.29
Stalock 2.69 not bad but not great. And are one goalie Dubnyk % is 3.34. Not good at all.

We have a good pool of goalie prospects including arguably the #1 goalie in the AHL with NHL wins under his belt and the #5 goalie in the OHL. We need goal scorers more than anything else…

Don’t forget that Anton Khudobin was in our system as well.

Khudobin wasn’t just in our system he started 5 games for the NHL club during his time here and put up some great numbers. 4-1 with a .955 save perc and a 1.39 GAA…..Didn’t need him though.

Career 2.47 GAA and .919 save perc for reference…..

mahtofire14 wrote:

Khudobin wasn’t just in our system he started 5 games for the NHL club during his time here and put up some great numbers. 4-1 with a .955 save perc and a 1.39 GAA…..Didn’t need him though.

Career 2.47 GAA and .919 save perc for reference…..

But we got Jeff Penner and Mikko Lehtinen or something for him. Clearly we wont that trade. <facepalm>

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
Khudobin wasn’t just in our system he started 5 games for the NHL club during his time here and put up some great numbers. 4-1 with a .955 save perc and a 1.39 GAA…..Didn’t need him though.

Career 2.47 GAA and .919 save perc for reference…..

But we got Jeff Penner and Mikko Lehtinen or something for him. Clearly we wont that trade. <facepalm>

Seriously. I remember watching him fill in for those few games and being impressed with him.

Looks like I’m getting my wish with Mayhew. Called up and the pregame report says he’s starting on the top line with Staal and Fiala. Giving the kid a chance! Love this move. When I heard he was called up I was worried they were going to stash him on the fourth line and not give him a chance.

hop307 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jighead4914 wrote:</div>
Still need a set of new Goalies, I am glad we did not trade Zac for ladd. Gurin did not do any panic trades, just to make a trade. Remenber Darcy, here the top Six Sv% here.
Tuukka Rask
2.17
Darcy Kuemper
2.17
Tristan Jarry
2.23
Anton Khudobin
2.26
Pavel Francouz
2.27
Jake Allen
2.29
Stalock 2.69 not bad but not great. And are one goalie Dubnyk % is 3.34. Not good at all.

We have a good pool of goalie prospects including arguably the #1 goalie in the AHL with NHL wins under his belt and the #5 goalie in the OHL. We need goal scorers more than anything else…

Don’t forget that Anton Khudobin was in our system as well.

yes and they were backups for the teams they moved to until the starting goalie got hurt and they took advantage of their opportunity, pretty much the same story with every goalie not named Brodeur or Price in the NHL.

mahtofire14 wrote:

Looks like I’m getting my wish with Mayhew. Called up and the pregame report says he’s starting on the top line with Staal and Fiala. Giving the kid a chance! Love this move. When I heard he was called up I was worried they were going to stash him on the fourth line and not give him a chance.

That is good to see!

Fishing59 wrote:

The Wild should get a rid of Parise he is a CANCER to the team from day one. Its all about him and Sutter and not about the team. He is one of the worst skaters I have seen in along time. During his whole career nobody has taught him how to skate. All game he skates in circles and sits in front of the net while everybody else does the work in the corners. When things aren’t going well he wants to bail on the team that is giving him all his money. Find a team that will give us two bags of pucks for him and let him go!!

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That is one of the most ignorant posts of the entire winter. He can’t skate? Do you know one doggoned thing about skating? He just stands in front of the net? What drunkard are you listening to? There is nobody on this team that outworks him, plays as unselfishly, and takes a beating in front of the net to score goals for his team.

fishinfreaks wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Fishing59 wrote:</div>
The Wild should get a rid of Parise he is a CANCER to the team from day one. Its all about him and Sutter and not about the team. He is one of the worst skaters I have seen in along time. During his whole career nobody has taught him how to skate. All game he skates in circles and sits in front of the net while everybody else does the work in the corners. When things aren’t going well he wants to bail on the team that is giving him all his money. Find a team that will give us two bags of pucks for him and let him go!!

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That is one of the most ignorant posts of the entire winter. He can’t skate? Do you know one doggoned thing about skating? He just stands in front of the net? What drunkard are you listening to? There is nobody on this team that outworks him, plays as unselfishly, and takes a beating in front of the net to score goals for his team.

I agree. If anyone is a cancer on the team it’s Suter according to the rumors floating around.

Same rumors have been out there about Parise not being the most personable guy with team mates. You can say so what but as one of the supposed leaders of the team you have to be a team mate on and off the ice.

I found it interesting not a word was spoken in the pre game tonight about nearly trading Parise. Billy G, Clymer, Carter no one said a word. They really want to tamp that down apparently. Everyone got the memo that subject was off limits. You try to trade away your most highly paid, one of the highest producers on the team and a supposed leader and nothing is said?

Tells you how much of a botched deal that was and they’d rather not be asked any questions about it.

Ice Cap wrote:

Tells you how much of a botched deal that was and they’d rather not be asked any questions about it.

That’s not what it says at all. It says that it was a sensitive subject considering Zach and Billy did not want that information public, nor should it be. It doesn’t take a genius to understand why. The media has to maintain a working relationship with the players just like you and I with our coworkers. There’s no difference.

Like I said before. It’ll be forgotten about almost immediately. At least until the talks reignite at draft time.

Fishing59 wrote:

The Wild should get a rid of Parise he is a CANCER to the team from day one. Its all about him and Sutter and not about the team. He is one of the worst skaters I have seen in along time. During his whole career nobody has taught him how to skate. All game he skates in circles and sits in front of the net while everybody else does the work in the corners. When things aren’t going well he wants to bail on the team that is giving him all his money. Find a team that will give us two bags of pucks for him and let him go!!

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My 12 year old has more hockey knowledge than you.
DT

biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ice Cap wrote:</div>
Tells you how much of a botched deal that was and they’d rather not be asked any questions about it.

That’s not what it says at all. It says that it was a sensitive subject considering Zach and Billy did not want that information public, nor should it be. It doesn’t take a genius to understand why. The media has to maintain a working relationship with the players just like you and I with our coworkers. There’s no difference.

Like I said before. It’ll be forgotten about almost immediately. At least until the talks reignite at draft time.

Exactly. They didn’t want the information public but it went public. That’s why it’s a botched deal. As I said earlier you try to trade your most highly invested, biggest point producers, supposed team leader and generally the face of the team and then try to act like it never happened? Why try to hide from it? Botched deal. Doesn’t take a genius to understand that. They know it and the fans know it. And it doesn’t look good. Trade deadline day is when you try to improve you’re team and that’s what Billy G did say last night but he didn’t make any moves because nothing made sense that would improve the team. But apparently what Billy G did think would improve the team was sending Parise down the road.

Ice Cap wrote:

Exactly. They didn’t want the information public but it went public. That’s why it’s a botched deal. As I said earlier you try to trade your most highly invested, biggest point producers, supposed team leader and generally the face of the team and then try to act like it never happened? Why try to hide from it? Botched deal. Doesn’t take a genius to understand that. They know it and the fans know it. And it doesn’t look good. Trade deadline day is when you try to improve you’re team and that’s what Billy G did say last night but he didn’t make any moves because nothing made sense that would improve the team. But apparently what Billy G did think would improve the team was sending Parise down the road.

What do you mean hide from it? What exactly is there to talk about?

Well I guess it’s one of those things that I can explain it for you but I can’t understand it for you. We view it differently I’ll just leave it at that.