MN Wild 2019-2020 Official Thread

Definitely disappointing that nothing worked out but hopefully it’s because the right deal just wasn’t there. Better standing pat than making a bad deal just to make a deal.

biggill wrote:

The statement I saw was that there wasn’t enough time to get it all figured out. My guess is that salary was the hot topic.

I saw that too but they had been talking about this trade for over a year so nothing should have been left to figure out…the 2 main pieces were always Ladd and Parise…I think the Pageua trainwreck of a trade put pressure on Lou to back off this deal…

Agreed. I take it with a grain of salt the same as I do the statement that they’re still trying to make the playoffs.

I was wondering, did Fletcher ever get a first round pick in any trade, ever? Riseborough?

biggill wrote:

I was wondering, did Fletcher ever get a first round pick in any trade, ever? Riseborough?

Somebody got a 1st for Brent Burns but that trainwreck pick turned in to Zack Phillips…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Somebody got a 1st for Brent Burns but that trainwreck pick turned in to Zack Phillips…

Just illustrates how poorly the Wild drafted in the early/middle years. I think Fenton did a fairly decent job, save for the 1st round selection his first year, which was a big leap, but otherwise he was pretty good.
Fletcher drafting-wise did find a few guys, trouble was he packed away some many picks that when the ones he did have didnt pan out there wasnt the diamond in the rough.
I hope Guerin can draft well. He certainly knows the game.

biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ice Cap wrote:</div>
Once the Parise deal was lit it’s almost worse if it dosen’t go through. What’s Parise going to say to the media now? Gee I’m really glad I’m still in a member of the Wild even though I waved my ntc to get out of here. Same going the other way what does Billy G say?

The NHL closed its doors for 4 months with tons of fans claiming they’re done with the NHL and people came back in bigger numbers than before. This will be forgotten by tomorrow.

Maybe around the league yes. But I’m betting a lot of fans in the Land O’ Lakes won’t. This failed trade will be brought up every time Parise is in a slump or hurt or just not playing well period. Yeah he doesn’t want to be here anyhow will be said all around the Excel. I never knew this deal has been talked about for a year so I’m guessing the fact that this could even happen caught a lot of fans off guard today. It will certainly be looked upon that he does not want to be here how else can it looked at.

A hundred different ways. #1 being the GM of the Islanders drafted him in New Jersey.

#2 the Islanders chance to win will be much sooner.

#3 Losing sucks

#4 Losing sucks

#5 Losing sucks

#6 Well you get the idea.

The lack of interest from the other teams General Managers in acquiring any players on the Wild roster points to the current low level of talent Bill has to deal with.
The Wild are stacked with bottom six forwards, not what other teams are looking for when it comes to improving their club.

Well we don’t know that it was a lack of interest or Billy just wanted too much for some players and was not going to take less. You’re phone stops ringing pretty quickly when the word gets out you’re not willing to wheel and deal much. Especially on the last day. Time is critical.

Wild.com has a video up of Billy G discussing the days non events. He’s walking back his tough talk from a few weeks ago and spends time talking about how him and Zach and Mikko are all best pals and they are just as happy as bugs in a rug nothing happened today and they are all still pals. Maybe so. I don’t think rumors of this attempted trade were supposed to leak out. I’m guessing it was to be kept under wraps until it was a done deal or if it fell through no one but the people involved needed to know.

But it did leak out and Billy is now in the awkward position of explaining this away. He didn’t look comfortable delivering his media speech and it’s in pretty stark contrast to his post Zucker trade comments about better not seeing any quit in this team or there will be more people moving down the road. Harumph!

If the Zucker trade happened today we’d all feel pretty good about the Wild. I’m glad BillyG didn’t back down on his demands, he was in a position of strength and still has those assets to trade at the draft. I’m still dumbfounded at not trading Galchenyuk but maybe there was zero interest? I bet there will be some rumblings from Hurricane fans if they get bounced in the 1st round due to poor play from their defense and fans point to them going the cheap route at the deadline and not paying more for Dumba or Brodin…

I’d be willing to bet that Lou Lamorello backed out at last minute of the Parise trade due to all the bad press his earlier Pageua trade got…they got fleeced by Ottawa!

The whole “too complicated” excuse is just a scapegoat story, they had been working on the trade with Fenton for a year+, perhaps it happens again at the draft…

I have to believe the lack of interest in acquiring any wild player was because of lack of talent.
25 trades today not a single deal for the wild, while other teams walked away with draft picks and prospects.
The rumored trade with the islanders was a cap deal more than a talent deal.

I am also sure Guerin had a hands off list for the younger players that other teams were looking at.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I’d be willing to bet that Lou Lamorello backed out at last minute of the Parise trade due to all the bad press his earlier Pageua trade got…they got fleeced by Ottawa!

The whole “too complicated” excuse is just a scapegoat story, they had been working on the trade with Fenton for a year+, perhaps it happens again at the draft…

Lou is about the only guy that would even be willing to try to take on Parise’s salary. Lou drafted him and once you’re one of Lou’s guys your’e always one of Lou’s guys. Probably never have another chance to move him now.

I guess I had no idea this deal had been worked on for a year or more. I guess I have no problem with nothing really happening today other than it being a bit anti climatic it would have been better the Parise deal was kept under wraps because with nothing else to point to today it’s a negative.

Yeah with Parise lifting his NTC and that going public and then nothing happening it’s kind of a botch. Oh well, what else is new in Wild land.

I don’t know if it would’ve mattered if they traded him or not money-wise. If he was traded, and ended up retiring before the contract was fulfilled, his salary would be right back on the Wild’s books AND hurting our cap (or in the form of a penalty, don’t remember how it exactly works).

jeff_huberty wrote:

I have to believe the lack of interest in acquiring any wild player was because of lack of talent.
25 trades today not a single deal for the wild, while other teams walked away with draft picks and prospects.
The rumored trade with the islanders was a cap deal more than a talent deal.

I am also sure Guerin had a hands off list for the younger players that other teams were looking at.

Good points. Especially considering the Zucker trade kind of made everyone assume Billy G was going to blow this team up so nothing happening today is a bit disappointing and kind of a head scratcher. After watching the video of Billy G explaining todays events he came off as wishy washy especially after his tough talk post Zucker.

I guess we won’t know what we got for awhile yet.

mahtofire14 wrote:

I don’t know if it would’ve mattered if they traded him or not money-wise. If he was traded, and ended up retiring before the contract was fulfilled, his salary would be right back on the Wild’s books AND hurting our cap (or in the form of a penalty, don’t remember how it exactly works).

True. So then the questions becomes why try to move him at all? Must be a reason for it right?

I guess we won’t know what we got for awhile yet.

I think most already believe they have sub par goaltending, adequate defense and a lack of talent up front.

Facts are they are short of talent to get to the top third of the league anytime soon.

I was really hoping they’d move Parise and Galchenyuk. I think it’s ridiculous that Mayhew hasn’t gotten another crack at the NHL with what he’s doing in Iowa. Hell he played pretty well when he was up with the Wild earlier in the season.

Dutchboy wrote:

I guess we won’t know what we got for awhile yet.

I think most already believe they have sub par goaltending, adequate defense and a lack of talent up front.

Facts are they are short of talent to get to the top third of the league anytime soon.

No argument from me. I was referring more to our new GM. First you send Zucker packing and then nothing at the deadline except a botched Parise trade. Billy G is off to a strange start. But if this Parise deal has been kicked around for year then Billy inherited that hot mess and it’s really none of his doing he’s just got to deal with it.

The whole salary cap recapture is way overblown. First of all, the player usually has has the option of going on LTIR which allows them their full salary and does DNR really count against the teams cap. There are currently 13 players that have contracts that would qualify and only 3 that have “retired”. Of the 3 that retired, all 3 are on LTIR.

Parise would have to be a total DB to stick it to the wild.

There’s also rumors of the NHL renegotiating the recapture rules to change the way they are calculated.

biggill wrote:

The whole salary cap recapture is way overblown. First of all, the player usually has has the option of going on LTIR which allows them their full salary and does DNR really count against the teams cap. There are currently 13 players that have contracts that would qualify and only 3 that have “retired”. Of the 3 that retired, all 3 are on LTIR.

Parise would have to be a total DB to stick it to the wild.

There’s also rumors of the NHL renegotiating the recapture rules to change the way they are calculated.

Luongo is currently sticking it to The Canucks from his South Beach retirement home. Had to be a deliberate move since he would certainly qualify for LTIR.

The next suspect is Shea Weber after Nashville shipped him to French Canada for PK Subban.

I’m sure Guerin brought up retirement with Parise in their trade conversations and highly doubt he would stick it to the Wild.

Luongo is costing the Canucks $3 million for this and the next 2 years, that’s their cap recapture penalty..obviously not great to have, but not the franchise dooming number you see talked about around here..almost every team has dead money on their cap, the Wild are paying Tyler Ennis $1.25 million this year to now play for Edmonton..

Not making any moves at the deadline or any significant moves isnt a bad thing. Russo and many others have commented many times that the deadline isnt the time to get the best return especially in terms of a rebuilding team. At the draft or over the summer you can make bigger deals and more significant changes. I wouldnt want BG to make a move for the sake of making a move. There is great value in some of our players and you dont throw them away when they can really help your team now and not set you back.
I have a strong feeling that Lou backed out of the deal or got cold feet, he has done it before.
Interest from the Isles was rumored last year but it is very complicated due to how the two players’ contracts are structured. Ladd’s is more of a signing bonus, while Parise is not. That makes tying out the dollars quite difficult, but it could have been done, there was time.

only excuse for not moving Galchenyuk is that nobody wanted him for anything…if that’s the case, that’s pretty sad…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

only excuse for not moving Galchenyuk is that nobody wanted him for anything…if that’s the case, that’s pretty sad…

Yeah, unless Guerin sees some sort of fit for him on this team? I have no idea, havent seen much from him in his short stint, but he might be worth a short contract to play in the bottom six.
I would have thought he could have gotten something for Pateryn as well. I just have this sneaky feeling that the Parise thing had BG all dumbfounded trying to figure out how to get that to work that it cost other deals. Perhaps I am wrong, but there certainly could have been some periphery moves for some picks with a few guys.
It’s got to make you wonder how these leaks happen. Russo had an entire article written up about the potential Parise deal, published it with the caveat that it wasnt a done deal, but explained some of the complications after the news was spreading like wildfire.
I cannot wait to hear Parise talk about this for the first time. LOL

BGs main goal with the deadline was to either gain assets or get a big time center. Big time centers never go at the deadline to a selling team. I wouldn’t think BG was distracted by the Pride trade, at least I hope not. It simply isn’t a deal that needed to be made at the deadline.

If the goal is to land a center or two, the draft is going to be the likely place. It would’ve been nice to get some assets yesterday but you’ll have to give up an asset to do so. That would mean that a first round pick for Dumba or Brodin would be a bad trade. In order to gain an asset in those cases you’d have to get what you got for Zucker. A first round pick AND a top prospect.

BG has made one really good move so far. We need to see more to get an idea of where this club is going.

CaptainMusky wrote:

Just illustrates how poorly the Wild drafted in the early/middle years. I think Fenton did a fairly decent job, save for the 1st round selection his first year, which was a big leap, but otherwise he was pretty good.

Well, that’s damning by faint praise if ever I read it.

So what you’re saying is that other than totally botching half of his whopping two critical first-round picks, the man did a fairly average job with the rest? To put it another way, then, he totally sucked?

The GM job isn’t about making a few good moves and you get to forget the rest. A good GM has to be judged by a combination of making good decisions and avoiding bad ones. It isn’t a one to one equation where one good decision “cancels out” a questionable or bad one. One bad decision can easily wipe out years of average or even good ones.

The Wild have never had a GM who was above a C on the grade scale. Gurin is too soon into his tenure to be graded.

Grouse

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CaptainMusky wrote:</div>
Just illustrates how poorly the Wild drafted in the early/middle years. I think Fenton did a fairly decent job, save for the 1st round selection his first year, which was a big leap, but otherwise he was pretty good.

Well, that’s damning by faint praise if ever I read it.

So what you’re saying is that other than totally botching half of his whopping two critical first-round picks, the man did a fairly average job with the rest? To put it another way, then, he totally sucked?

The GM job isn’t about making a few good moves and you get to forget the rest. A good GM has to be judged by a combination of making good decisions and avoiding bad ones. It isn’t a one to one equation where one good decision “cancels out” a questionable or bad one. One bad decision can easily wipe out years of average or even good ones.

The Wild have never had a GM who was above a C on the grade scale. Gurin is too soon into his tenure to be graded.

Grouse

I still don’t know who to fully blame for the Johnasson pick, Fenton was GM for less than a month before the draft so he likely had a ton of other organizational non-roster duties to get familiar with (and we now know that he most likely failed at most of those) BUT he was the assistant GM in Nashville so he likely did alot of player prepwork for the draft with them. He and the scouts focused on Johansson and Fenton would have made the final call to pick him or not..There wasn’t a ton of surethings in that draft and alot of teams missed on their picks, but to go with a non-offensive defenseman when you’re one of the lowest scoring teams in the league raised a ton of eyebrows… I will give him credit in that many of his other draft picks have progressed very well in the system and honestly his two drafts are some of the best this franchise has ever had… I’ll even eat a bit of Crow on the Boldy over Caufield pick as he’s been one of the top players in ALL of college hockey the past two months…