MN Wild 2019-2020 Official Thread

some big draft pick hauls being grabbed for average players, curious what we could get for a guy like Pateryn?

JoeMX1825 wrote:

some big draft pick hauls being grabbed for average players, curious what we could get for a guy like Pateryn?

How about Bergeron getting a 2nd and a 4th Round pick for Scandella when Buffalo only got a 4th Rd pick when they traded him earlier this year? LOL

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
some big draft pick hauls being grabbed for average players, curious what we could get for a guy like Pateryn?

How about Bergeron getting a 2nd and a 4th Round pick for Scandella when Buffalo only got a 4th Rd pick when they traded him earlier this year? LOL

yes, that’s the head scratcher I was talking about

JoeMX1825 wrote:

yes, that’s the head scratcher I was talking about

Pateryn would fetch something pretty good I would think. Perhaps not a 2nd and 4th, but a 2nd.
Pile up the picks BG.

Golden Knights just paid 2 x 2nd round picks for Alec Martinez…wow! Brodin or Dumba should be able to fetch a TON…BillyG holding tight!

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Golden Knights just paid 2 x 2nd round picks for Alec Martinez…wow! Brodin or Dumba should be able to fetch a TON…BillyG holding tight!

I really cannot believe what some of these players are fetching right now. The thing with Vegas is they are loaded with draft picks but very little in Cap.
Been some increased steam that the Panthers may be interested in Brodin. Of our potentially tradeable d-men, he would be my last to get rid of.

Rumor mill also has the Canadiens offering up Max Domi for Dumba or Brodin. Domi isn’t that dynamic of center and has not produced this year in Montreal. Either Dumba or Brodin are worth more than that.

I agree with CaptainMusky Brodin should be the last D man to go and if he does he should bring a lot more than Domi. Who knows maybe Billy is going to stand pat past the dead line. That may be the smartest move.

I would prefer they get a elite center prospect vs somebody like Domi who’s only a few years away from UFA status and either demands insane contract or leaves…I really want them to get either of the Hurricane’s top prospects…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I really want them to get either of the Hurricane’s top prospects…

I agree. I want Necas, but apparently the Carolina GM says he is not available for trade. Not sure I want Suzuki who is their other top Center prospect.

I read that too and honestly I wouldn’t move Necas either…BUT when Monday rolls around and they still have a gaping hole in defense and they truly want to tell their team and fans they are serious about making a run at the cup, maybe that changes?

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I read that too and honestly I wouldn’t move Necas either…BUT when Monday rolls around and they still have a gaping hole in defense and they truly want to tell their team and fans they are serious about making a run at the cup, maybe that changes?

Exactly what I am hoping.

Russo reported that BillyG wants to do a major roster shakeup by Monday, so expect fireworks by the deadline…Parise could possibly get moved..

In regards to the last two games, Vancouver badly outplayed us and the Oilers are a completely different team without McDavid…but they found a way to win, hopefully it builds character for the future.

Someone must’ve told Galchenyuk he better start playing or he won’t be in the NHL much longer because he looked like a completely different player last night.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Russo reported that BillyG wants to do a major roster shakeup by Monday, so expect fireworks by the deadline…Parise could possibly get moved and Koivu as well if he wants to.

In regards to the last two games, Vancouver badly outplayed us and the Oilers are a completely different team without McDavid…but they found a way to win, hopefully it builds character for the future.

Moving Parise would not bother me in the least. He’s well past his prime so not sure what we’d get in return. I’ve suspected that whatever positive he contributes on the ice is detracted from in the locker room.

Ice Cap wrote:

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Russo reported that BillyG wants to do a major roster shakeup by Monday, so expect fireworks by the deadline…Parise could possibly get moved and Koivu as well if he wants to.

In regards to the last two games, Vancouver badly outplayed us and the Oilers are a completely different team without McDavid…but they found a way to win, hopefully it builds character for the future.

Moving Parise would not bother me in the least. He’s well past his prime so not sure what we’d get in return. I’ve suspected that whatever positive he contributes on the ice is detracted from in the locker room.

Getting that money off the books would be even bigger.

Ice Cap wrote:

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Moving Parise would not bother me in the least. He’s well past his prime so not sure what we’d get in return. I’ve suspected that whatever positive he contributes on the ice is detracted from in the locker room.

I’m curious what negative impact it’s thought that Parise has in the locker room. I’ve never heard anything negative about Parise. He may not be the outspoken leader, kind of like Joe Mauer, but I’ve never heard negative about him in the locker room.

^^ there’s that. Don’t know who would want to pick up that contract the Wild may have to eat some of it or take less in return? But then again I don’t know how all the inner workings of these contracts work.

I don’t see Koivu waiving his no trade. My guess is he may just retire after this season as I doubt Billy has any plans on bringing him back next year anyhow. I’m sure Mikko knows it as well.

fishinfreaks wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ice Cap wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>

Moving Parise would not bother me in the least. He’s well past his prime so not sure what we’d get in return. I’ve suspected that whatever positive he contributes on the ice is detracted from in the locker room.

I’m curious what negative impact it’s thought that Parise has in the locker room. I’ve never heard anything negative about Parise. He may not be the outspoken leader, kind of like Joe Mauer, but I’ve never heard negative about him in the locker room.

Just my own suspicions but I think Russo has hinted about problems in the locker room every now and again and that seemed to start after Parise and Suter got here. Especially during the Yeo years. But you don’t hear much about what goes on in the locker room either way. Reporters are reluctant to report on any personality issues among players for fear of peeing someone off and risk the players shutting him or her out.

I remember Walz almost slipped and said something about infighting in the locker room during one of the Wild broadcasts but he caught himself.

It’s old news. Parise and Suter have been a noose around the Wilds neck. Likely to go down as the worst long-term signing of all time.

I’ve thought…. going back 6 plus years that they didn’t have the mental fortitude to lead. And it’s played out exactly as that.

fishinfreaks wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ice Cap wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>

Moving Parise would not bother me in the least. He’s well past his prime so not sure what we’d get in return. I’ve suspected that whatever positive he contributes on the ice is detracted from in the locker room.

I’m curious what negative impact it’s thought that Parise has in the locker room. I’ve never heard anything negative about Parise. He may not be the outspoken leader, kind of like Joe Mauer, but I’ve never heard negative about him in the locker room.

The only negative things about Parise come from frustrated fans that think he’s not producing enough. Actual players to a man say nothing but good things about Parise both on and off the ice.

Locker room frustrations happen to all teams and why wouldn’t they happen in the Wild dressing room?

But in MN we have TMSF Salary Bitterness so it all gets blamed on the highest paid player/ers in the dressing room and he gets labeled a locker room cancer.

In other news, Koivu says no to Gurin’s offer to trade him to a playoff contender. I’d think that this is a signal he plans to retire. Cue the Koivu bitterness.

Gurin has been doing a lot of trade talking with little actual trade action. I would like to see him move one of the big NTC players after Fenton’s disasterous signing of Zuccerello.

Grouse

I’m glad koivu is retiring after spending his whole career here. Yeah it’d be nice to get something for him, but from where I sit, I don’t care.

We’ll see what this team looks like tomorrow around 2:30pm once the dust settles, although don’t judge BillyG solely on the trade deadline, he’ll have alot of leverage at the draft and will likely wait until then if he doesn’t get the value thinks he should tomorrow.

I’d

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>fishinfreaks wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ice Cap wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>

Moving Parise would not bother me in the least. He’s well past his prime so not sure what we’d get in return. I’ve suspected that whatever positive he contributes on the ice is detracted from in the locker room.

I’m curious what negative impact it’s thought that Parise has in the locker room. I’ve never heard anything negative about Parise. He may not be the outspoken leader, kind of like Joe Mauer, but I’ve never heard negative about him in the locker room.

The only negative things about Parise come from frustrated fans that think he’s not producing enough. Actual players to a man say nothing but good things about Parise both on and off the ice.

Locker room frustrations happen to all teams and why wouldn’t they happen in the Wild dressing room?

But in MN we have TMSF Salary Bitterness so it all gets blamed on the highest paid player/ers in the dressing room and he gets labeled a locker room cancer.

In other news, Koivu says no to Gurin’s offer to trade him to a playoff contender. I’d think that this is a signal he plans to retire. Cue the Koivu bitterness.

Gurin has been doing a lot of trade talking with little actual trade action. I would like to see him move one of the big NTC players after Fenton’s disasterous signing of Zuccerello.

Grouse

Good grief Grouse the whole “TMSF” schtick is wore out. Really dude the whole TMSF thing has now become about as annoying as Limu Emu or Flo selling insurance. We all get it Fenton sucked and everyone but you is a “TMSF”. It’s become like the drunk guy at the party repeating the same thing over and over and everyone stopped listening a hour ago.

Fans are frustrated because Parise and this team has fallen woefully short of advertised expectations for too many years. If you’re content with the low level of mediocrity this team has accomplished since Parise and Suter have been here I have no problem with that just say so rather than trying to label everyone who is not some silly acronym.

Wild getting spanked by the Blues tonight

Ice Cap wrote:

Good grief Grouse the whole “TMSF” schtick is wore out. Really dude the whole TMSF thing has now become about as annoying as Limu Emu or Flo selling insurance. We all get it Fenton sucked and everyone but you is a “TMSF”. It’s become like the drunk guy at the party repeating the same thing over and over and everyone stopped listening a hour ago.

Fans are frustrated because Parise and this team has fallen woefully short of advertised expectations for too many years. If you’re content with the low level of mediocrity this team has accomplished since Parise and Suter have been here I have no problem with that just say so rather than trying to label everyone who is not some silly acronym.

Good grief. I think the Parise, Suter, Koivu, Dubnyk, cancer, consistency and leadership thing is worn out. Some people are just tired of the typical “this is what’s wrong with this team” but give absolutely nothing logical about how to fix it. The “If it’s not a championship, it’s not worth watching” crowd do nothing but try and offend everyone who isn’t enraged about how “your” team has been spinning its wheels and won’t get over that hump unless they get that “stud” or find this magical “consistency” that the elite teams apparently have.

Well maybe, just maybe, some people want to watch a game and not have to worry about what you people think. Apparently if we aren’t complaining about how this team is failing because of the guy wearing the C patch or the two guys that everyone wanted 8 1/2 years ago we’re somehow part of the problem.

There’s apparently a leadership problem. A toxic locker room environment. Well, those kinds of things are a reflection of the top of the organization just like any other organization. If you want to see success, you need to look at the top. Ownership and management. You can p!ss and no ad about the players and coaches all you want but there will never be any success until it is managed like an elite organization.

So, until you stop droning on and on about Parise and Suter and whomever the next scapegoat is, I’d expect to see more of the same.

Excuse my while I watch a mediocre team without complaining about what’s wrong with them.

lindyrig79 wrote:

Wild getting spanked by the Blues tonight

awful lot of quit being displayed tonight, especially by #11&#20 on that shorthanded goal…Dubnyk looks lost out there most of the time, maybe goaltending needy Carolina takes him off our hands? Would they even want him though?

Ice Cap wrote:

I’d

Good grief Grouse the whole “TMSF” schtick is wore out. Really dude the whole TMSF thing has now become about as annoying as Limu Emu or Flo selling insurance.

Fans are frustrated because Parise and this team has fallen woefully short of advertised expectations for too many years. If you’re content with the low level of mediocrity this team has accomplished since Parise and Suter have been here I have no problem with that just say so rather than trying to label everyone who is not some silly acronym.

Awww. What’s wrong? Does the TMSF label hit a little close to home? Truth stings a little? Fighting fan frustration? Get over it.

What’s wore out is lame-ass assertions like the Suter/Parise/Koivu locker room cancer myth made over and over again by casual fans that have no way in hell of knowing what they’re talking about.

And then there’s the old “if you’re content with mediocrity..” I can’t stop laughing. I’m not content, I just have a firm grip on reality. Unlike the TMSF, real hockey fans are there for every season, not just the winning ones. I’m a hockey fan because I like hockey, and unlike the TMSF’ers, I can be a fan with or without a win, a playoff spot, and yes even without winning the Cup. And BTW, I’m not the only one. There are lots of real fans, I talk to them at games all the time.

Building an NHL team to win a cup is hard and in the modern salary cap era, it doesn’t happen often, and when it does, it doesn’t last long. If you can’t deal with that, you’re a bandwagon boy, not a hockey fan.

Grouse

You left out the part about drunk guy at the party repeating the same thing over and over and everybody stopped listening a hour ago.
You’re doing it again. Maybe that hit to close to home so you left it out. Truth stings a little?

Not to mention you’re own contradictions. In one post you say locker room frustrations happens to all the teams and why wouldn’t it happen to the Wild?
In you’re next post you say locker room cancer is a myth and casual fans have no way in hell of knowing what they are talking about. So please tell us what makes the Grouse such a special hockey fan? The one with all the inside knowledge that no one else knows. Please indulge us with more of your arrogance it’s mildly entertaining.

TMSF’s blame the GM’s, and hold the players to no accountability.

TMSF’s think loyalty to pro athletes, reading and keeping up to date on things being reported gives them great insight into things going on behind closed doors. But it really doesn’t. They read it on the internet or see/hear it on the local news, so everything is just as it’s being reported. That’s a rubbery check the TMSF’s take to the bank to cash again and again.

TMSF’s stands for, typical Minnesota sports fans to those wondering. Guess it’s a term some think is clever, kinda like a person who’s got their head stuck up where the sun doesn’t shine, but thinks they are super enlightened verses everyone else. Oh do tell how much better of a fan I am not and how much more time you spend reading or watching this or that, that gives you so much more insight. Yawnnnnn.

TMSF’s fan think if you enjoy hockey, you better not jump on or off the band wagon, at all, ever. It’s pro sports, with expensive tickets, food, merch, parking, ext. You better buy your season tickets and be happy about it no matter what, or else. Reminds me of going to work and paying your boss for being there, or your a tmsf bad employee.

TMSF’s are why we will never have championship teams cause they don’t understand you have to keep buying the product, even when it’s terrible. That’s brilliant and not ignorant at all. That’s A typical to Minnesotans, “it ain’t to bad” mentality and as “Minnesota typical” as it gets.

TMSF’s probably don’t care if they buy a crappy car or fridge and are loyal to a certain brand no matter what, just cause they like cars they have to buy from a certain state just because of their unshakable, undying loyalty. There’s not a metal for loyalty, but there’s a s&m mentality to it that is hard to ignore. Stay the course, play the party line on this player and that player, but omg that horrible, horrendous gm. It’s hard putting together a cup contending team, so the gm has a hard job, yet it’s always his fault and never, ever, never any players fault? Huh, go figure. Keep firing coaches, GM’s and trading players.

TMSF’s love fishing rods and reels they have to pay for, but only from their home town state. And when that product goes to heck in a hand basket, they keep buying because they aren’t TMSF’s. Or educated consumers.

I love hockey and watch more non wild games cause it’s just better hockey to watch. The product on the ice for the wild sucks duck nuts. I have no aversion to home town loyalty of pro sports teams. That’s idiotic in my book. Not sure I could stomach watching the wild go to a cup after years of setting the bar so low. Enjoy watching the playoffs when I’ve got zero vested interest in any team. If you’re from Minnesota, you got a pretty good idea what that is.

If someone is an avid hometown homer like Sid, and loves going to games and all the goings on within that team, awesome, knock yourself out. But don’t pretend you’ve got backstage passes to everything that goes on in the depths of the organization if all you are is someone who hands them money to go be a seat filler. Those doors you pay to walk through make you nothing more than a customer at a restaurant, you got no idea what’s happening back in the kitchen cause you ain’t an employee getting paid to be their. You’re a paying customer, who likes paying for a crap product and patting yourself on the back for it. Hats off, you like paying full price for bad service and a garbage product over and over and over again. Good for you, you got more money than sense. If it’s the local high school team or your kids games, hometown loyalty is way different than pro sports. Just because I can bore you to death with more and more words and letters means I’m much more “woke” and on a higher hockey plain than the TMSF’s.

Hopefully both ZP and RS’s cancerous butt’s are gone before the deadline. And if not, they can ruin the Russian, then while they are at it get another coach and gm fired, and cycle more players through trades to teams that get somewhere other than the first round or are playoff bottom feeding dumpster lickers.

Get your popcorn ready it’s TRADE DEADLINE DAY

There is nothing better than watching your team try to improve it’s chances to win and compete for the STANLEY CUP.

Unless of course you are on the Wild dynamic duo club,who would rather watch your team stay the course and run the ship aground.

On the flip side there is a lot of names out there who are available, that’s a tough spot for Billy G to get a deal done.

here’s to you Billy G