MN Wild 2019-2020 Official Thread

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
He’s replacing him with Eveson

Eveson has been named interim, so that has me thinking Gurin has another coach in mind.

I’m interested to know who are all these “lazy vets” that are the Wild’s sole problem? Or is this the new code-speak for the fantasy of getting rid of Suter and Parise? Which ain’t gonna happen.

Grouse

Grouse have you not been watching this team during this era? The vets on this team take more games off then Joe Mauer. Did you watch the game last night? I wasn’t even sure if Zucerrello was ileven on the ice, or the top two lines for that matter excluding Fiala. It’s the whole history of this era of the franchise.

The one thing I will say about Guerin is that he makes a decision and he sticks with it and owns it. Very decisive and it’s very nice to see.

lindyrig79 wrote:

Likely not Bruce’s fault, but I am fine with it all the same. Finally someone who is sick and tired of the mediocrity and if they can ship out the lazy vets with him even better.

^^^^Bingo^^^^

Pretty common move by a New GM.
You could see this coming a long time ago,I am surprised it took this long.
I am not saying BB was a bad coach, it was pretty obvious the team would do well for a while and then slip back into bad habits. Inconsistent; they win four games lose six games, win six games lose four.
I like where this is going with BG.

some of the names available:

Gerard Gallant
Mike Babcock – Avoid like the plague
Peter Laviolette

I would look hard at Laviolette, what scares me about Gallant is we really don’t know why he was fired from Vegas?

I have two 1/4 oz lead egg sinkers on; “Dan Bylsma”

dang, reading through BillyG’s press conference/interview he was spitting fire about the current team and players needing to step up and quit complaining about individual stats and icetime…

Sounds to me like he wants to get rid of the current culture…

Just another Wild coach who gets a lead and puts the team on defense. It was obvious as hell last night and they lost because of it. Every Wild coach in the last 10 years has had the same mind set. I sure hope we can get away from that with the next coach. They need to get a lead then push harder and stand on the other teams throat until it’s over.

Hopefully now the team can reach it’s full potential with a new gm, head coach and a Russian on the way.

No more excuses.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

dang, reading through BillyG’s press conference/interview he was spitting fire about the current team and players needing to step up and quit complaining about individual stats and icetime…

Sounds to me like he wants to get rid of the current culture…

Agreed! The culture is laziness. Play when you want and feel like it.

with what BillyG has control over (He can fire Bruce and not resign Koivu) this is the only way to try and change the culture around the Wild. I don’t know if Parise & Suter are part of the culture problem, other than they lift their NTC’s, nothing can be done about them the next 6 years….

Ripjiggen wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
with what BillyG has control over (He can fire Bruce and not resign Koivu) this is the only way to try and change the culture around the Wild. I don’t know if Parise & Suter are part of the culture problem, other than they lift their NTC’s, nothing can be done about them the next 6 years….

I can tell you they are. Not getting into the little bit of insider info I know, and trust me I am not saying I am by no means inside that locker room but the split between the vets and young guys is real. It has been for several years. Unfortunately I don’t think changing coaches will fix it, as it has been going on for several coaches now.

well, then it’s Parise and Suter vs everyone else the next 6 years or until they drop their NTC… I just don’t see Parise being that type of player but maybe he is? Suter keeps a poker face on the ice, but maybe he’s different off?

Question
What’s your opinion

Would Parise still be on this roster if his contract was not an issue?
Would Suter still be on this roster if his contract was not an issue?

Answer is I don’t care. I remember the excitement that day the deals were announced. I would as a casual fan make that deal 10 out of 10 times without hindsight.

Dutchboy wrote:

Answer is I don’t care. I remember the excitement that day the deals were announced. I would as a casual fan make that deal 10 out of 10 times without hindsight.

Than go play in your twins forum

Put the contact years and money aside, or weather it was a good deal then or now.

Simply on talent or veterans contribution to a winning attitude, would they be on Billy G’s roster.

IMO- Parise would not be.

Ripjiggen wrote:

Fatal flaw was thinking Parise would be your number one star. He was not the number one star when he was in NJ. A very good 2-3 player but never a number one. Your number one in the NHL needs to be a center plain and simple. They have never had a number one center.

If it wasn’t Parise in Jersey, then who was it?

The Blackhawks and Capitals might disagree with #1 center hot take

mahtofire14 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
He’s replacing him with Eveson

Eveson has been named interim, so that has me thinking Gurin has another coach in mind.

I’m interested to know who are all these “lazy vets” that are the Wild’s sole problem? Or is this the new code-speak for the fantasy of getting rid of Suter and Parise? Which ain’t gonna happen.

Grouse

Grouse have you not been watching this team during this era? The vets on this team take more games off then Joe Mauer. Did you watch the game last night? I wasn’t even sure if Zucerrello was ileven on the ice, or the top two lines for that matter excluding Fiala. It’s the whole history of this era of the franchise.

The one thing I will say about Guerin is that he makes a decision and he sticks with it and owns it. Very decisive and it’s very nice to see.

I’ve been watching this team since game 1 and I can recall watching the team before this team back to the 1970s.

So what you’re saying is the Wild got points in 8 of the last 10 games while as all the vets were taking the nights off?

The nature of hockey is that not every player is going every night. It’s like that with every team. What sunk the Wild last night was a bad defensive lapse on goal 2. Oh, and allowing a player inexplicably to skate backwards away from the net during the shootout and still allowing the goal didn’t help.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

some of the names available:

Gerard Gallant
Mike Babcock – Avoid like the plague
Peter Laviolette

I’ll bet Patrick Roy would answer the door if Bill came a knocking.

Grouse

Scott Sandelin

Unlikely but possible.

I got the impression not long after Parise and Suter got here it was going to be them and no one else that was going to be responsible for any success this team would have. I think they had visions of leading this team to a Cup win and they were going to be the glory guys that made it happen.

Everyone else were going to play minor roles coach included. Didn’t Parise have Adam Oates come in and coach the power play without going through Yeo first? I seem to remember something like that. Best way I can put it is I don’t think either of those two went to far out of their way to create any team chemistry.

Billy G is obviously is a no nonsense guy. He may have already sniffed out what and who the locker room problem is and there is one without a doubt and I think he is sending the message that the times they are a changin’ and the name on the back of your jersey don’t count for nothing.

For better or worse this is going to be the team Billy built.

Zucker bangs in two goals, well done and congratulations.I hope he gets a shot at the cup the guy deserves it.
I think Zucker scores more goals for the Penguins the rest of this season,than any of the former Wild players for their whole season.

For better or worse this is going to be the team Billy built.

It should be the team Billy built. Thats what he was hired to do. If Parise and or Suter are a problem I don’t know. I just watch the occasional game. Is the lack of chemistry the problem, or is it a lack of talent, or both? If it’s a lack of talent could it be the best players are getting tired of trying to pull the load? All these GM’s & coaches come and go making big promises but nobody upgrades the talent much.

They need to be careful over there in St. Paul. Fans are getting a bit tired of the clown show. Empty seats are showing up and the Timberwolves and Gophers mens hockey team can tell you thats a hard trend to reverse.

Ripjiggen wrote:

Elias Kovalchuck…and the greatest goalie of all time.

I doubt those teams would disagree as they have Toews and Backstrom 2 pretty legit centers.

Parise played 1 season with Kovalchuk. Prior to that 1 year, he has absolutely their guy up front. The difference between Devils Parise and Wild Parise is that he played every game in New Jersey and was only injured once. He’s been injured and missed 10+ every single year with the Wild.

Backstrom and Toews are not Kane and Ovi. Not even close

One quote from Bill pres conference I think is telling is “If someone is unhappy with their ice time or lack of production, that’s too bad” Another speculation I read was “Boudreau’s firing has led to some suggestions that he is being punished for the underperformance of some of its players, particularly some veterans.”
We will see but looks like Bill is sending a message to the veterans that the days of the inmates running the asylum are over.

Regarding the BB firing. It wouldn’t have been any surprise to anyone if he got fired after the season. The problem is, firing at the end of the season puts BG at a potential disadvantage because a lot of teams will be looking for coaches and the best prospects may be committed already.

If the wild were to miss the playoffs this season, it puts somewhat of a black eye on BBs resume by missing the playoffs two seasons in a row. It wouldn’t surprise me if BG let him go now as a show of respect so BB has a better chance of landing another job. To me this makes sense for everyone.

None of the lack of success has anything to do with BB. When he arrived, the wild were young, fast and small. While he was here, they got old, slow and stayed small. BB never got a team that he could work with and even worse he never got a team that fit his coaching style. He excels with a bigger more physical team. He was never given a team that was even close to that.

I don’t see his departure as a bad thing I just don’t think it’s going to make a damn bit of difference in the next 3 years. Now BG gets to build his squad and find a coach that fits his plan.

The Zucker trade is a huge asset for BG. He not only picked up a top prospect, but the first round pick puts them in a position where you can sweeten any deal for a top center by offering up a first round pick. Or you use that pick to try and draft a center. BGs first deal was exactly what this team needed to begin digging out of this hole. I expect more of this is on the horizon.

Billy G is not going to be happy with his team getting shut out by a beat up Sharks team with a struggling goalie who also happened to play last night.
I wonder who is going to get the ax dropped on them now?

Dumba has to stop with these one timers from just inside the blue line and just think about holding the zone once in awhile. When he left the ice in the first period with his left arm drooping by his side I thought there goes that trade value. But luckily he came back.

When you know you are going to fire a employee it takes a large toll on you until you actually do it. Letting him go now was good for everyone involved. Naming a interm from the old staff just lets everyone else play out the year until the new guy hires his own staff. You don’t fire a guy of BB’s pedigree and retain his people for the next guy. It’s a large broom or no broom.

Well there you go. A coaching change was just what this team needed.

Grouse

Dutchboy wrote:

When you know you are going to fire a employee it takes a large toll on you until you actually do it. Letting him go now was good for everyone involved. Naming a intern from the old staff just lets everyone else play out the year until the new guy hires his own staff. You don’t fire a guy of BB’s pedigree and retain his people for the next guy. It’s a large broom or no broom.

Well stated Dutch,
And thanks for the cinnamon roll

Let’s not forget the behind the scene discussions,someone stated previously about BG has been on four cup winning teams.
He has an player and organizational sense of what it takes to win the cup.
Then you have Modanno who has also won it advising owner leupold on the backside.
If Leupold lets his hockey guys run the hockey departments they could become a contender.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Well there you go. A coaching change was just what this team needed.

Grouse

Sorry grouse…… but your four paragraph insights have been driving off into the ditch for three years.
I hope you can turn your high beams on and get back on pavement.

ANNNdddd wait for it …….

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Well there you go. A coaching change was just what this team needed.

Grouse

I don’t think anyone believe the firing was a move that intended to help them make the playoffs. Personally I like BB and think he did as good as anyone could have with this organization. We can only hope that BG truly has a plan and that BB truly didn’t fit within that plan. We’ll see.

Did anybody see video of the Wild’s bench during the timeout? Kind of tells you alot doesn’t it…