MN Wild 2019-2020 Official Thread

Looks like the boys were still on vacation

Dutchboy wrote:

Twins had a kid who was the franchise savior coming through their system also. His name is Byron Buxton. This Russian might be the real deal, or maybe not. He will need to prove everything at the NHL level when he gets there.

X2, laying way to much hope on a singular player.

If he comes over and plays with this roster, have great confidence he’d get poisoned quickly by the cancer that infects this team.

jeff_huberty wrote:

They need to fold this season up..Zero chance to win in the playoffs and they are on pace to wreck any chance at a top ten draft pick.
The little Russian needs more talent around him “if” he gets here.
No Veteran leadership from this roster,time to move them on.

Agreed.

Oh my. Lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth, there Wild fans.

So the Bruins were who we thought they were then? Wow, we lost to the best team in hockey and now the hysterics about curling into a ball and dying for the season start? Nobody’s pretending that the Wild are in the same class as the team who currently has the best player in hockey.

It is what it is. What I’m looking for it’s time for Gurin to step up and make some moves. The weakest player on the Wild team has always been the GM. We’ve had terrible, we’ve had a C- player in an A league, and then we had the Fentard. So over to you, Bill.

Both east and west are on a razor’s edge. There HAS to be deals to be made and for once they better be in our favor because it’s a seller’s market. I can’t see any in-contention team outside of maybe the Caps, Bruins, Blues, and maybe Canucks who shouldn’t be looking hard to shore up some soft spot. Then you get down to the bubble teams like Toronto, Florida, Carolina, Islanders, etc, that need to fill multiple gaps.

Time for Gurin to step out of the shadows and show what he’s got.

Grouse

I’d be curious to see if there’s any data around what you can get for trade returns in the weeks before vs on the actual trade deadline? I would think it’s a double-edge sword in terms of the Teams that make moves early might be the ideal team to trade your players to, so if they find a player early you might be screwed on deadline day vs if they don’t find a player early, they would be desperate and pay more for your player on deadline day…

It would be nice to be the “Ottawa” of this years deadline, yes we don’t have the caliber of players they had last year, but we could potentially firesale what we do have and get some good returns for the future.

Wild lose Seeler on waivers to Blackhawks. Bummer but not enough seats on the bus.

Grouse

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Wild lose Seeler on waivers to Blackhawks. Bummer but not enough seats on the bus.

Grouse

I’m actually sort of pissed about this. That kid got screwed royally by Fenton and when he was playing really well no less. Should’ve traded Pateryn so Seeler could’ve played and found his stride again.

It’s time to cut bait on Dubnyk’s contract and get away from him. He needs a change of scenery. Maybe for this season, with the family stress, a non-injury season ending reserve might be the MN Nice thing to do. But don’t give him another minute of MN Wild ice time. Either put him on waivers, cut him, move up the Iowa Wild goalie, sign a free agent, or draft for the future. Stalocks not the answer, but the team does actually show up and play when he’s in the net (and I do believe that’s a factor in the loss to the Bruins the other night.) Dubnyk keeps giving up soft goal after soft goal. It’s clear the team won’t skate for him anymore.

basseyes wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
Twins had a kid who was the franchise savior coming through their system also. His name is Byron Buxton. This Russian might be the real deal, or maybe not. He will need to prove everything at the NHL level when he gets there.

X2, laying way to much hope on a singular player.

If he comes over and plays with this roster, have great confidence he’d get poisoned quickly by the cancer that infects this team.

Yep once he gets here everything gets reset to zero. The kid is used to winning and the Wild have a long history of a losing culture. How long is he going to be happy playing on a Wild team? I’m curbing my enthusiasim on this one. Been down this road to often with Minnesota professional sports teams.

fishinfreaks wrote:

It’s time to cut bait on Dubnyk’s contract and get away from him. He needs a change of scenery. Maybe for this season, with the family stress, a non-injury season ending reserve might be the MN Nice thing to do. But don’t give him another minute of MN Wild ice time. Either put him on waivers, cut him, move up the Iowa Wild goalie, sign a free agent, or draft for the future. Stalocks not the answer, but the team does actually show up and play when he’s in the net (and I do believe that’s a factor in the loss to the Bruins the other night.) Dubnyk keeps giving up soft goal after soft goal. It’s clear the team won’t skate for him anymore.

This one got me thinking,I am not totally on board about players efforts with one goalie or the other in the net.
If that’s the case you can certainly chalk it up as a core underlying reason for the teams failure to win with any consistency.

mahtofire14 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
Wild lose Seeler on waivers to Blackhawks. Bummer but not enough seats on the bus.

Grouse

I’m actually sort of pissed about this. That kid got screwed royally by Fenton and when he was playing really well no less. Should’ve traded Pateryn so Seeler could’ve played and found his stride again.

100% agree with this Patertyn is junk and Seeler was a tough kid in the corners. Pizz poor decision

I’m happy for Seeler. They were never going to sit Pateryn in favor of Seeler. Soucy outplayed Seeler and stole that spot.
Seeler will probably get a chance with Chi, Im disappointed he went to a team in our Division, but he might get a chance to prove the Wild shouldnt have gotten rid of him tonight already LOL.

Regarding trades now or right at the deadline, there has been talk that teams prefer to wait it out to make a move, those would be the buyers. I believe their line of thinking is they can actually get a better deal from a desperate seller.
Russo has said that for the Wild to get their best return it might actually be before the draft or this summer vs the trade deadline.
Technically the Wild will not have to cut anyone to get Kaprisov here because I am pretty sure they can go over the roster limits in the offseason, but must be down to the number at the start of camp.

CaptainMusky wrote:

Russo has said that for the Wild to get their best return it might actually be before the draft or this summer vs the trade deadline.

I got laughed at for saying that last year.

sticker wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
Wild lose Seeler on waivers to Blackhawks. Bummer but not enough seats on the bus.

Grouse

I’m actually sort of pissed about this. That kid got screwed royally by Fenton and when he was playing really well no less. Should’ve traded Pateryn so Seeler could’ve played and found his stride again.

100% agree with this Patertyn is junk and Seeler was a tough kid in the corners. Pizz poor decision

I agree with you boys on this.

biggill wrote:

I got laughed at for saying that last year.

I dont have his full comment in front of me, but he did, and I am paraphrasing, that its a market-based scenario. Each year would be different. I think it would really depend on who they are trying to move. To me, a guy like Foligno his value would be tremendously high at the deadline because that is the type of guy you need in the playoffs. Zucker meanwhile might be best to wait, but at the same time you have teams that are dealing with significant injuries in the top 6 so who knows. Dumba or Brodin, key injuries on Carolina… Its a roll of the dice.
Guerin’s best move is to answer the phone and listen to any and all offers and not rush into anything. He shouldnt show any desperation because that is when things go South.
Toronto potentially lost their goalie long term. That is going to be a devastating blow to them. They lack D and any depth in net.

fishinfreaks wrote:

It’s time to cut bait on Dubnyk’s contract and get away from him. He needs a change of scenery. Maybe for this season, with the family stress, a non-injury season ending reserve might be the MN Nice thing to do. But don’t give him another minute of MN Wild ice time. Either put him on waivers, cut him, move up the Iowa Wild goalie, sign a free agent, or draft for the future. Stalocks not the answer, but the team does actually show up and play when he’s in the net (and I do believe that’s a factor in the loss to the Bruins the other night.) Dubnyk keeps giving up soft goal after soft goal. It’s clear the team won’t skate for him anymore.

Agree.

It’s a mental thing. DD helped this team when they needed it and filled a void.

Trade him and get draft picks.

Trade whomever for draft picks.

Don’t want to see anybody over 25 traded for or brought in on this team unless it’s a lopsided deal for the wild that gets rid of slow and old.

Draft picks, more draft picks and the higher the better. Want to see a long term agenda vs a fill the seats mentality.

Core guys around 22-25, that can be in Kirill’s age group and build off of.

The current roster is a slow, old, broken record. Don’t want him mentored or poisoned by anyone on the roster currently. The hockey fan in me would rather see him go somewhere else and thrive vs come to the hometown club and suffer through and endless cycle of whatever infects the wild.

basseyes wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>fishinfreaks wrote:</div>
It’s time to cut bait on Dubnyk’s contract and get away from him. He needs a change of scenery. Maybe for this season, with the family stress, a non-injury season ending reserve might be the MN Nice thing to do. But don’t give him another minute of MN Wild ice time. Either put him on waivers, cut him, move up the Iowa Wild goalie, sign a free agent, or draft for the future. Stalocks not the answer, but the team does actually show up and play when he’s in the net (and I do believe that’s a factor in the loss to the Bruins the other night.) Dubnyk keeps giving up soft goal after soft goal. It’s clear the team won’t skate for him anymore.

Agree.

It’s a mental thing. DD helped this team when they needed it and filled a void.

Trade him and get draft picks.

Trade whomever for draft picks.

Don’t want to see anybody over 25 traded for or brought in on this team unless it’s a lopsided deal for the wild that gets rid of slow and old.

Draft picks, more draft picks and the higher the better. Want to see a long term agenda vs a fill the seats mentality.

Core guys around 22-25, that can be in Kirill’s age group and build off of.

The current roster is a slow, old, broken record. Don’t want him mentored or poisoned by anyone on the roster currently. The hockey fan in me would rather see him go somewhere else and thrive vs come to the hometown club and suffer through and endless cycle of whatever infects the wild.

Show me a team looking for old and slow players or bad contracts…if you find that team, give BillyG a call a let him know who he needs to talk to…I’d love to trade our bad contracts and old players, but who’s dumb enough to take them let along give you any value in return? NTC and Limited NTC’s also throw a wrench into any trade possibilities, DD listed the 10 teams he would accept a trade months ago, i’m sure he selected only the teams that are absolutely secure in net, so basically he’s un-tradable…

it’s a frustrating position to be in for sure…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Show me a team looking for old and slow players or bad contracts…if you find that team, give BillyG a call a let him know who he needs to talk to…I’d love to trade our bad contracts and old players, but who’s dumb enough to take them let along give you any value in return?

The Perceived top players on the Wild roster that were traded last season have had very little effect on the teams they are currently with. I would also think that plays into the perceived value of the current roster. The forwards this team have bottom six player values to any other team willing to deal with the Wild. On D there is good value 1-4 after that no one stands out.
The market may be there for Veteran forwards to slide onto those teams who may be looking at upgrading the 3rd-4th lines, maybe a 5 or 6 D.

biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CaptainMusky wrote:</div>
Russo has said that for the Wild to get their best return it might actually be before the draft or this summer vs the trade deadline.

I got laughed at for saying that last year.

This season has proven how slim the talent level is on the Wild, the only players of value to this team will be the players other teams are looking to aquire. I think value wise, Guerin will have far more leverage in the off season trading players like Brodin, Dumba or Zucker. I think even with another year off the books Suter may become tadeable.

I still think a Veteran like Stall or Folingo will be traded this season though.

jeff_huberty wrote:

I still think a Veteran like Stall or Folingo will be traded this season though.

That may be but don’t expect anything earth shattering in return. This is the time of year where trades can affect teams for years to come, usually negatively and usually the buyers. The Wild being exhibit A.

The wild traded 2 of their most impactful players last season and got one one in return. This has become a salary dump more than a trade deadline. Teams that dump salaries get very little in return.

All of the GMs are in trade talks now but the fact is most are testing the waters for the offseason where the truly impactful deals are done.

Not to mention that this is probably the best time of year to unknowingly buy damaged goods. Wait til offseason when they all go get their repair surgeries then you’ll know who not to trade for.

biggill wrote:

That may be but don’t expect anything earth shattering in return. This is the time of year where trades can affect teams for years to come, usually negatively and usually the buyers. The Wild being exhibit A.

There was rumor, pretty much corroborated by Russo, that the Bruins offerend a 1st round pic for Staal last year, but Fenton didnt pull the trigger. The thing about that whole deal is Staal would have probably re-signed here anyway. I would have sent him packing in a heartbeat, granted the pick would have been in the end of the 1st round, still something that could be used for other leverage down the road.

I hope I’m wrong. I’d like to see something earth shattering but those blockbuster trades always seem to have a clear loser especially the NHL.

1st round for staal would’ve been a no-brainer. WTF?

CaptainMusky wrote:

There was rumor, pretty much corroborated by Russo, that the Bruins offerend a 1st round pic for Staal last year, but Fenton didnt pull the trigger.

If that’s the case it would be #1 on the Fenton Fubar scale.

Wild blow the late game lead against Chicago. But, Fiala looked great in OT and Dumba gets the game winner.

fishinfreaks wrote:

Stalocks not the answer, but the team does actually show up and play when he’s in the net (and I do believe that’s a factor in the loss to the Bruins the other night.) Dubnyk keeps giving up soft goal after soft goal. It’s clear the team won’t skate for him anymore.

I am not sure I agree Stalock is not the answer. He hasn’t been given a decent chance to be the starting goalie. Sure he has had a couple 6,7,8 game runs, but put him as the #1 for the rest of the season. See what he can do with some consistency. He looked pretty dang good last night until the team quit playing in the third.

I didn’t see the team quit in the third I thought they gave a pretty complete game. Stalock was screened on the second goal because Dumba couldn’t move Keith out of the paint. If anything Stalock is prone to gaffs like leaving the net last night when a penalty wasn’t even called. And because he is so active he can get caught completely out of the net.

The Wild aren’t going to give up on Dubnyk regardless imo.

Ice Cap wrote:

I didn’t see the team quit in the third I thought they gave a pretty complete game. Stalock was screened on the second goal because Dumba couldn’t move Keith out of the paint. If anything Stalock is prone to gaffs like leaving the net last night when a penalty wasn’t even called. And because he is so active he can get caught completely out of the net.

The Wild aren’t going to give up on Dubnyk regardless imo.

Chicago dominated most if not all of the third period after the Wild dominated the first 2. If you didn’t see that you must have fallen asleep early. They were absolutely standing around an getting caught sleeping.

I thought it was a meh type of game last night other than watching Fiala look more and more like the “gamebreaker” Fenton promised although he almost got burned for staying out way too long in OT, but unlike other past offenders (Koivu/Parise/Zucker) he still had energy to backcheck…If BillyG can move Dubnyk at the deadline I’m fine with Stalock being the #1 the rest of the year and potentially sharing the duties with Kaaponen next year and then hoping Kaaponen can take over as the starter a year later. The Wild are actually sitting pretty good with goalie prospects right now, they just take so long to fully mature into NHL goalies…It will be interesting to see if Dumba starts scoring again after the 30+ game dam finally broke..

Lots of 3 point games last night so not much movement in the standings…

I completely agree with moving Dubnyk. He’s not the answer.

lindyrig79 wrote:

I completely agree with moving Dubnyk. He’s not the answer.

Who is going to take him on? he’s giving up four goals a game and has family issues that requires him to leave at times. You MIGHT be able to get a bag of pucks for him sadly. We lost all hope in getting anything decent back for him IMO.

I LOVE watching Fiala. Last night he looked like an absolutely monster. He didn’t even need teammates on the ice with him, just skating through everyone and getting wicked shots off. That shot that popped Crawford’s lid off was an absolute rocket.