MN Wild 2019-2020 Official Thread

JoeMX1825 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ice Cap wrote:</div>
Dubnyk a healthy scratch tonight. The writing on the wall.

I read yesterday that it was a private family matter he needed to attend to…

others on this thread have mentioned that we need a starting goalie from another team to go down with injury so we can maximize Dubs value… I do think Guerin wants to move him, but it’s all about getting the most value as his contract is a desirable one (if he can turn his game around)

Tonight’s game will be a good test to see if this recent streak of better play is legit or just the byproduct of catching some teams on off nights…

Not expecting much tonight. Even with all the injuries CO has they have still been winning and are still a MUCH faster team that the Wild.

Is it just me or does anyone else think stalock has played better that dubs

Cal Makar is something else…he looks like Erik Karlson in his prime and he’s only a rookie…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Cal Makar is something else…he looks like Erik Karlson in his prime and he’s only a rookie…

Yeah, he looks to be the real deal for sure. He had a rough patch in the playoffs last year, but you sure wouldnt know it right now. He is an older rookie by standards so I think that gets him ahead of many, but he is dynamic.

Yep Makar has the wheels, soft hands and the nifty stick for sure the real deal. Stalock played his best game last night. didn’t see much of that out of the net and halfway to the blue line stick handling stuff, he seemed to pretty much stay home and it payed off for him he looked really good I thought.

Ice Cap wrote:

Yep Makar has the wheels, soft hands and the nifty stick for sure the real deal. Stalock played his best game last night. didn’t see much of that out of the net and halfway to the blue line stick handling stuff, he seemed to pretty much stay home and it payed off for him he looked really good I thought.

You maybe heard it but Boudreau talked to Stalock about playing the puck, but not to the extreme that he usually does. At times I think that gets him more into the game, but man he gets so carried away like the time he went for a skate to the dang blue line to fire the puck into the bench narrowly missing his coach. LOL

The team has been playing very well for several games. They actually have been playing pretty close to 60 minute games.

The young guys who need to step up are actually doing it a bit lately as are the crusty old vets (Parise, Zucker and Zuccarrello).

I dont know what it is about Ek’s game but he sure draws the ire of his opponents! He is very tenacious its just too bad he doesnt have a little better hands to get a scoring touch, but Bruce keeps putting that line out against the top line of the other team and they have been coming out on top. That is encouraging.

I really hope the family situation that Dubnyk is dealing with isnt something serious. He’s doing the right thing, but it certainly has the rumor mill going.

All they do is win.

TSN.com just did an update of their “Core 4 Under24” list for each NHL team. This list consists of the top 4 players for each organization under the age of 24 years old.

The Wild ranked #27 out of 31 teams with Kaprisov, Boldy, Fiala and Donato being our 4. Edmonton ranked #1, Colorado #2 and Toronto #3

it’s an interesting read – https://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-oilers-lead-the-pack-in-core-4-u-24-nhl-player-ranking-1.1401995

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biggill wrote:

All they do is win.

It’s a page right out of the St Louis Stanley Cup championship plan

Worst to first

The rumors are that Toronto is looking to shake things up after firing Babcock, what are your thoughts on a potential Nylander for Spurgeon deal? I think the Leafs would do that deal as they need a locked up Defenseman bad…we need a young right handed scorer. I’m not hating on Spurgeon, I just think outside of Dumba (who we won’t move) he would be the only possible trade piece we have for Nylander and the Leafs would prefer to swap a young elite forward for a young elite defenseman.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

The rumors are that Toronto is looking to shake things up after firing Babcock, what are your thoughts on a potential Nylander for Spurgeon deal? I think the Leafs would do that deal as they need a locked up Defenseman bad…we need a young right handed scorer. I’m not hating on Spurgeon, I just think outside of Dumba (who we won’t move) he would be the only possible trade piece we have for Nylander and the Leafs would prefer to swap a young elite forward for a young elite defenseman.

Squeeze Toronto until they squeal. Nylander is a good START for a deal for Spurgeon, but make them cough up a draft pick as well. No deal? Ok, have fun in Suckyvill, Toronto. It’s going to be a while. We need to start really dealing hard because it’s clear we now still have the reputation for being easy marks for sucker Fenton-style trades. Nylander and an R2 pick, take it or leave it. Spurgeon is flat out worth more than a one for one swap for Nylander.

Colorado got a little wakey-wakey call last night. Lots of cocky swagger, lots of play like the playoff spot is all locked up because everybody’s talking about the hot new guy. Gonna be a little harder than that, Avs. Even the lowly Wild still have enough in the tank to beat you with good netminding. Not every team is going to play into your hands and try to beat you in a track meet.

Grouse

And……. another OT loss

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I don’t see the Leafs giving up high picks as that will be their ONLY way of cheaply filling their roster gaps moving forward with all of the huge contracts they have, perhaps they also include a current forward prospect though as they have limited space for forwards on the big club…

Maybe we can resign Brodin on a decent extension and that fills most of the gap left by dealing Spurgeon? Brodin doesn’t have the stats to warrant a big deal…

It is time to indeed BLOW IT UP

Brady Valberg wrote:

It is time to indeed BLOW IT UP

unfortunately, there’s only so much that can be blown up due to NTC’s and the fact that we’ll need to take .$50 on the dollar for what we trade out and get back (the players/salaries that we want to get rid of, why would anybody else want them?)

basically the only option this team has this year is to attempt to trade away the few players they can (if those players even accept the trade due to all having NTCs) get whatever you can in return, and hope you get a top 3 pick in the draft…

This is truly a 6 year rebuild unless Parise and Suter find the fountain of youth due to the poison pill clauses with their contracts. Their potential cap-recapture hits in those last few years will be devastating to this team hopefully on the rise by then…

The only hope for this doomsday scenario is that during the next collective bargaining window the cap-recapture clause is voided out as it’s not fair to teams (like the Wild) who signed the at that time approved contracts…

They choked Saturday? Thanks for the help jerks.

Fiala is really skating the last few games. Actually winning some puck battles also. Maybe a slight glimmer of hope with him?

mahtofire14 wrote:

Fiala is really skating the last few games. Actually winning some puck battles also. Maybe a slight glimmer of hope with him?

I was just going to say the same thing. If he keeps this up I’ll admit I was wrong about him.

Where’s the petition to sign to get Bruce fired? after yet another blown lead and OT debacle how can he remain the coach? I don’t need to be an analytics guy to understand that putting #20, #9, #11 or #12 on the ice = OT loss…

It’s just comical that they must be expecting a different outcome with these guys…how many OT losses will it take? How many games does Billy G need to watch before he demands some changes from Bruce?

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Where’s the petition to sign to get Bruce fired? after yet another blown lead and OT debacle how can he remain the coach? I don’t need to be an analytics guy to understand that putting #20, #9, #11 or #12 on the ice = OT loss…

So….. you mean Parise, Suter, and Koivu???? I think this gets to the core of why a number of us have been so frustrated the last few years. Started to get pretty obvious the Wild would never win anything meaningful with those guys on the ice. Just a sad state of affairs for the Wild.

I think if we look back on previous years we all thought Bruce would come in and put the veterans in their place if they weren’t performing. Seems pretty clear that he’s done very little in that regard.

lindyrig79 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
Where’s the petition to sign to get Bruce fired? after yet another blown lead and OT debacle how can he remain the coach? I don’t need to be an analytics guy to understand that putting #20, #9, #11 or #12 on the ice = OT loss…

So….. you mean Parise, Suter, and Koivu???? I think this gets to the core of why a number of us have been so frustrated the last few years. Started to get pretty obvious the Wild would never win anything meaningful with those guys on the ice. Just a sad state of affairs for the Wild.

It’s more about these guys are typically on the ice when the other team scores in OT, they can’t compete in the 3 on 3 game, so I thought Bruce mentioned he was going to change things up in OT, now 5 or so OT losses this season and nothing has changed, same guys on the ice every OT loss…it’s laughable…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>lindyrig79 wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
Where’s the petition to sign to get Bruce fired? after yet another blown lead and OT debacle how can he remain the coach? I don’t need to be an analytics guy to understand that putting #20, #9, #11 or #12 on the ice = OT loss…

So….. you mean Parise, Suter, and Koivu???? I think this gets to the core of why a number of us have been so frustrated the last few years. Started to get pretty obvious the Wild would never win anything meaningful with those guys on the ice. Just a sad state of affairs for the Wild.

It’s more about these guys are typically on the ice when the other team scores in OT, they can’t compete in the 3 on 3 game, so I thought Bruce mentioned he was going to change things up in OT, now 5 or so OT losses this season and nothing has changed, same guys on the ice every OT loss…it’s laughable…

Doesn’t matter OT or regulation. They are the “leaders” of the team, highest paid, and mostly responsible for developing a winning culture. I agree it’s laughable.

biggill wrote:

I think if we look back on previous years we all thought Bruce would come in and put the veterans in their place if they weren’t performing. Seems pretty clear that he’s done very little in that regard.

Agree.

The OT losses are a symptom, not a problem.

We just don’t have the offensive firepower or speed to punish teams that try to bring pressure and lean way into the zone or pull the netminder. We just get pinned in our zone and take shot after shot until they score.

Getting rid of Suter or Koivu doesn’t fix that. Staal isn’t fast. Zuc isn’t fast. The list goes on and on. We just have NOT drafted the speed or the skill we need and that mistake goes back 10 years now and has been repeated over and over again by the Wild GMs who drafted badly and traded picks WAY too freely. Hey everybody, remember Hanzel? And then Fecktard Fenton blows another R1 pick with a slow D man…

There was serious danger of the Ranger’s goalie dying last night of terminal boredom in the 3rd. He posted to his Facebook feed that at 11:15 into the third he was feeling lonely down there all by himself with nobody to talk to. He ordered from Grub Hub at 13:29 of the third, that’s how much time he had on his hands.

And OT is the problem? It goes a little deeper than that, boys. Whatever Bruce coulda, woulda, shoulda done to “fix” OT would not make a jot of a difference overall because our problems are not just about OT.

Grouse

It’s humorous to see all the staunch defenders of past Wild seasons now using the same views several of us have been pointing out over those same years.

This team was toast then,is toast now, and will be for the foreseeable future. The twin contracts will be a ball and chain for the Wild until they can traded, bought out, Or they expire! “which in fact is most likely to happen”

My arguments are dealing with OT only… Bruce hasn’t changed anything, for gods sake next OT just only play a combo of Zucker, Fiala, Dumba, Spurgeon, Kunin and Greenway, see what happens, wtf could be worse than what they are doing now? The whole speed argument is moot if you only play these guys…now finishing is another issue and I absolutely agree we suck, but the past few OT’s we haven’t even threatened offensively because our old monkeybutts can’t keep up skating with them defensively…

Bruce has almost complete control on who he puts out in OT (icings are rare) so there’s really no excuse…

jeff_huberty wrote:

It’s humorous to see all the staunch defenders of past Wild seasons now using the same views several of us have been pointing out over those same years.

This team was toast then,is toast now, and will be for the foreseeable future. The twin contracts will be a ball and chain for the Wild until they can traded, bought out, Or they expire! “which in fact is most likely to happen”

This is only relevant if you consider the past decade a total failure.

Those of us that don’t suffer from TMSF syndrome blame the worthless trades, bad draft picks and underachieving youth for the majority of these problems. Fact is, there are very few teams without albatross contracts that inhibit trade and free agent market freedom.

Can look back and blame the GM’s or owner or the trinity of turds, but only way out of all this is time, and it’s going to take the better part of yet another decade. If you were in an actual rebuild, vs waiting out the contract hospice care for the 3 vets, fans might be more tolerant. But now it’s gunna get ugly and the finger pointing is starting to escalate. Coach, gm, owner, vets, rookies, goalie, doesn’t matter. The team has no leadership, hasn’t for year’s. That was glaringly obvious in the playoff one and done’s.

basseyes wrote:

Coach, gm, owner, vets, rookies, goalie, doesn’t matter. The team has no leadership, hasn’t for year’s. That was glaringly obvious in the playoff one and done’s.

So with leadership they would’ve had a cup by now?

The reason they haven’t won a cup is because they haven’t been good enough, on paper or on the ice.