MN Wild 2018-19 Official Thread

When is Sid Cosby available?

Suter + Rask + Parise for Cosby, who says no?

philtickelson wrote:

When is Sid Cosby available?

Suter + Rask + Parise for Cosby, who says no?

Ha! I like your enthusiasm and out of the box thinking.

I love Crosby’s novelty contract of $8.7 million per season, talk about a home team discount. How on earth do some of these young stars justify the $10+ per year deals they are asking for when Crosby is sitting at 8.7?

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I love Crosby’s novelty contract of $8.7 million per season, talk about a home team discount. How on earth do some of these young stars justify the $10+ per year deals they are asking for when Crosby is sitting at 8.7?

I know right! Just look at McDavid and now what is going on in Toronto with Tavares and Mathews to those enormous deals, heck, they have a monster deal too with Nylander.
I would say the biggest disappointment has to be the Oilers with the money they have in some superstars and not to make the playoffs. The best player in the league (arguably) and they are just a doormat.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Looking at teams with cap issues this summer, I wondered what it would take to get Nylander from the leafs? Our 1st round pick this season? (Toronto traded away theirs) Honestly, I think the Leafs would do just about anything to get out of that contract and for the Wild (who lack any right handed star power) the contract is an acceptable risk. For the Leafs, it’s all about clearing cap space for Mariner and resigning some of their defense. Wow, they will have 3 players making $11+ per season!

His right-hand shot would look really good for the next 5 seasons in green and at just under $7 million per…

I am not sure that Nylander would be a good fit here. He has some issues and I think that his numbers are bit inflated due to playing with Matthews and Marner who get a lot of attention from the oppositions shut-down players.

As for Spurgeon, I think he might be willing to take a bit less to stay with MN.

I’d like to see the Wild deal Brodin for a draft pick if it would make it possible to keep Spurgeon. Spurgeon’s defensive skills put him at the top of the league and then there’s the OFFENSIVE upside on top of that. If a trade has to be done, Fenton better squeeze them until they squeal as far as getting the max out of Spurgeon. There are going to be several playoff teams that wish they had him.

CaptainMusky wrote:

I would say the biggest disappointment has to be the Oilers with the money they have in some superstars and not to make the playoffs.

The Oilers are the poster child for underachieving, but they aren’t alone. The Blackhawks are in the same boat, 2 of the best offensive players in the league and several other very good ones and they’ll be riding the bar stool again at playoff time.

As I’ve said before, the Wild have WAY overachieved with the players we have had these past 6 years. A team that has NEVER had talent like Chicago or Edmonton goes to the playoffs 6 years running while McDavid, Towes, Kane, and others clean out their lockers and head for the golf course. Yes, it would be nice to have the offensive firepower, but as Edmonton proves year after year, you don’t go anywhere with just offense.

The draft will be interesting for the Wild this year. Fenton needs to put on his big boy pants and prove he’s a real GM this year. Last year was very unimpressive.

Grouse

Crosby only makes $8.7 million because he really likes to win and knows making less assures winning

nhl numbers

Looks like 8.7 is his cap hit. He made $10m I am guessing part is in some signing bonus being spread out over the contract?

I don’t think at the time he was giving the Pens a discount. He was the highest paid player at the time.

Not bad considering the contracts are guaranteed.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

I’d like to see the Wild deal Brodin for a draft pick if it would make it possible to keep Spurgeon. Spurgeon’s defensive skills put him at the top of the league and then there’s the OFFENSIVE upside on top of that. If a trade has to be done, Fenton better squeeze them until they squeal as far as getting the max out of Spurgeon. There are going to be several playoff teams that wish they had him.
Grouse

I agree with Grouse on this. I said earlier there could be a decent argument made that Spurgeon is the best player the Wild have on the roster.
Every successful team has at least one offensive/defenseman on the team. He ended the season with 14 goals and 29 assists and a minus 1. He finished with one more point than Zucker who was counted on to be our goal scoring forward.

Suter lost a step as he was doing a lot of back checking this year after players skated around him. They refuse to cut his minutes to where he might have some gas in the tank at the end of the year.

I’m not convinced Dumba is going to pick up where he left off. I think it would be tough to get a trade that could be considered a upgrade for Spurgeon.

This team needs to start building from the ground up but they seem to think they are one or two players away from the Cup and they clearly are not. They feel they need the Cup with Parise and Suter still being significant contributors or that $100M is wasted and that window is closing.

Ice Cap wrote:

This team needs to start building from the ground up but they seem to think they are one or two players away from the Cup and they clearly are not. They feel they need the Cup with Parise and Suter still being significant contributors or that $200M is wasted and that window is closing.

Fixed that for ya.

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Keith wrote:</div>
This team needs to start building from the ground up but they seem to think they are one or two players away from the Cup and they clearly are not. They feel they need the Cup with Parise and Suter still being significant contributors or that $200M is wasted and that window is closing.

Fixed that for ya.

Ooops. I stand corrected! Thanks!

Well its technically 196 but who’s counting.

This is a GREAT sign!

Kirill Kaprizov’s team CSKA always does little video segments of the players walking off their team bus before games, check out what he’s wearing on his head before today’s game 7 semifinal playoff game!

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JoeMX1825 wrote:

I wondered what it would take to get Nylander from the leafs? Our 1st round pick this season?

No! No more 1st round pick trades! That’s what got us into this mess in the first place. Riseboror was the worst R1 picker in NHL history and Fletcher was constantly trying to shortcut to the playoffs by dealing R1 picks, culminating in the worst rental for R1 pick deal EVER.

I think with the number of teams in the league now, giving away a first-round pick has become pure poison. It can bite you in the ass now, later, or both now AND later, but either way it will come back to haunt you.

For example, Ottawa trading their 2019 R1 pick to Colorado.

We need either straight player trades or we need to do it the hard way and draft well. IMO the GM has only 2 jobs. Draft and trade. Everything else is just busywork and paper pushing.

Grouse

JoeMX1825 wrote:

This is a GREAT sign!

Kirill Kaprizov’s team CSKA always does little video segments of the players walking off their team bus before games, check out what he’s wearing on his head before today’s game 7 semifinal playoff game!

Great so he’s going to play for the Twins instead of the Wild?!?!

Ice Cap wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
This is a GREAT sign!

Kirill Kaprizov’s team CSKA always does little video segments of the players walking off their team bus before games, check out what he’s wearing on his head before today’s game 7 semifinal playoff game!

Great so he’s going to play for the Twins instead of the Wild?!?!

Haha!

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
I wondered what it would take to get Nylander from the leafs? Our 1st round pick this season?

No! No more 1st round pick trades! That’s what got us into this mess in the first place. Riseboror was the worst R1 picker in NHL history and Fletcher was constantly trying to shortcut to the playoffs by dealing R1 picks, culminating in the worst rental for R1 pick deal EVER.

I think with the number of teams in the league now, giving away a first-round pick has become pure poison. It can bite you in the ass now, later, or both now AND later, but either way it will come back to haunt you.

For example, Ottawa trading their 2019 R1 pick to Colorado.

We need either straight player trades or we need to do it the hard way and draft well. IMO the GM has only 2 jobs. Draft and trade. Everything else is just busywork and paper pushing.

Grouse

When it’s for a young offensive right shot player who’s locked in for the next 5 years (not a rental) you make exceptions to the no trading #1 picks rule…and of course if the Wild win the lottery (or even top 5) you keep the pick, but if we stay at #11, it’s likely a crapshoot the pick turns into anything relevant, with Nylander you know what you have and he still has tremendous upside. Toronto wouldn’t want a current player in the deal because they are all about saving money to pay Mariner and their Defenseman, so it would need to be a pick. I think they are desperate to move his contract, they got bullied into offering it..

Ottawa was just plain dumb trading with Colorado because it’s unknown what the pick would be…at least we know we have a 97% chance at staying at pick #11.

Hmmmmmm. So you’re saying there’s a chance?! This was posted back in January, and then recently confirmed that it “may” be allowed.
Go CSKA!!!!
Edit, not sure why my pic isn’t posting…Basically it was a tweet from a Russian Hockey prospect expert that said if CSKA were to win the championship the team would possibly let members of the team leave for the NHL EVEN IF they are still under contract…

It’d be a kick in the nards if the owners opt out of the CBA this September and there is a lockout in 2020-21…the first year he’ll probably come over.

mplspug wrote:

It’d be a kick in the nards if the owners opt out of the CBA this September and there is a lockout in 2020-21…the first year he’ll probably come over.

Not as much as if CSKA wins the Championship and they let him leave now!

They beat SKA today and now play in the Championship starting Saturday. It was pretty much understood that the semifinal CSKA vs SKA was basically the finals, so we’ll see if the championship is a rout..

The Wild have 2 prospects who play for CSKA. It will be interesting to see if they win, if they do allow them to leave for the NHL.
Russo actually spoke about it too on a recent podcast.

Of course the Wild find a way to actually lose in the draft lottery…unf’ingreal

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Of course the Wild find a way to actually lose in the draft lottery…unf’ingreal

And the Blackhawks go from 12th to 3rd overall! The wild are so hapless they can’t get out of their own way it’s almost comical!

JoeMX1825 wrote:

When it’s for a young offensive right shot player who’s locked in for the next 5 years (not a rental) you make exceptions to the no trading #1 picks rule…and of course if the Wild win the lottery (or even top 5) you keep the pick, but if we stay at #11, it’s likely a crapshoot the pick turns into anything relevant, with Nylander you know what you have and he still has tremendous upside

Except that Montreal is going to want more than just a single R1 #11 OA pick for Nylander. They’re either going to want a top 10 OA pick or multiple picks.

And then wouldn’t we have to cut salary to get the cap space to pay him?

Interesting idea and would be great to see, but I’d think there would be bidders with more cap space and higher draft picks to be offered compared to woe-was-us at #11. And no way would I favor dropping 2 picks on him, we are just too depleted in multiple areas to be dealing off 2 MORE players when we are missing R1 picks from at least 3 years that should be playing for the team right now.

Grouse

Bottom line is that Toronto will need to get rid of him if they want to sign Mariner for $11+ per year, resign Kapanen for $4+ Per year and then also resign 2 of their Defenseman who’s contracts are up. They won’t trade him to the Eastern conf so that leaves the West and the Wild has 18+ million in cap space (before resigning rfa’s)

What do we expect to get picking at 12? A likely 2nd or 3rd line prospect who’s 2-3 years away from the NHL. Nylander gives you an elite rightshot offensive talent Right Now.

This team has no chemistry. None. nada, zip. They mostly play like a bunch of individuals. I don’t think bringing in more high profile players fixes that. I don’t know how you fix that if you even can but it seems some teams have it while others don’t and the Wild clearly do not. There is nothing cohesive about this team just 4 lines of individuals with individuals rotating in and out of lines constantly.

Chemistry is probably a bigger component to success than the amount of talent you have on a team.

It doesn’t matter if it’s industry or sports. Talent wins.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Bottom line is that Toronto will need to get rid of him if they want to sign Mariner for $11+ per year, resign Kapanen for $4+ Per year and then also resign 2 of their Defenseman who’s contracts are up. They won’t trade him to the Eastern conf so that leaves the West and the Wild has 18+ million in cap space (before resigning rfa’s)

What do we expect to get picking at 12? A likely 2nd or 3rd line prospect who’s 2-3 years away from the NHL. Nylander gives you an elite rightshot offensive talent Right Now.

Exactly. Nylander’s cap hit drops considerably after this year. It goes from $10.3M this year to $6.9M through the end of his contract in 2023-2024.
He is young, has proven to be a playmaker. I didn’t like how his holdout was handled, but I cant say I blame him either.
At this point, looking at the draft, the prospects available and when they could possibly help the big club, I say trade away the #12 pick. Fenton has vehemently been against trading picks. He has said he does player for player type scenarios, but in this case I think its worth the gamble. The cap hit after this year isn’t that big and you project a Nylander, Kaprisov, Donato, emerging Fiala, Greenway, Kunin, Ek, its starting to look exciting.

Somebody has to score the goals…We have no goal scoring prospects besides Kaprizov and there’s a ton of speculation that the closest thing we currently have to a goal scorer (Zucker) will get traded this summer. Our stumble in the lottery last night likely cost us the best pure goal scorer in the draft Cole Caufield (per mock drafts) So if we draft somebody at #12 and they likely turn into another Erikson Ek in 2-3 years will that solve anything?

What FA would solve the goal scoring issue? Panarin? He’s basically guaranteed to sign with the Rangers. Duchesne? with Panarin leaving for nothing, Columbus can’t afford to NOT overpay him bigtime to stay. Pavelski will want a 4-5 year deal, he’ll turn 35 years old next year and will likely start to slow down, I bet he resigns in San Jose anyways to close out his career.

After you look at the options available, Nylander becomes the best and most possible choice for Fenton to improve our offense instantly and you know he’s already locked in at $6.9 million the next 5 years, so you can plan capspace accordingly. Can you think of a better option?

In 1-2 years a powerplay of Nylander and Kaprizov on the boards, Greenway & Parise in front of the net and Dumba bombing from the point sounds awfully good!