MN Wild 2018-19 Official Thread

You guys are missing the real issue. Pug needs to move back to Minny. He moves to Florida and Tampa Bay is looking down at the rest of the league.

Parise, Mauer, Cousins, Townes,every team has a player with a hotter spotlight.

When it comes to hockey I’m one of the casual fans you guys speak of but I’m a little surprised that Parise & Suter are being called out. It’s a bit like Cousins, a smart & talented guy but not having an O line limits his abilities. The Wild need to get a functional supporting cast to get even more out of their big contract guys. That includes the guys without skates as well.

Just two cents from a casual fan, I’m nowhere near as smart as Huberty!

belletaine wrote:

You guys are missing the real issue. Pug needs to move back to Minny. He moves to Florida and Tampa Bay is looking down at the rest of the league.

Parise, Mauer, Cousins, Townes,every team has a player with a hotter spotlight.

When it comes to hockey I’m one of the casual fans you guys speak of but I’m a little surprised that Parise & Suter are being called out. It’s a bit like Cousins, a smart & talented guy but not having an O line limits his abilities. The Wild need to get a functional supporting cast to get even more out of their big contract guys. That includes the guys without skates as well.

Just two cents from a casual fan, I’m nowhere near as smart as Huberty!

Don’t sell yourself short,any can see the lack of talent there.

Ice Cap wrote:

The plan of bringing in Suter and Parise went off the rails when…

It went off the rails when they moved to Minnesota and collided head-on with the TMSF–Typical Minnesota Sports Fan. The TMSF always gets bitter and blames everything on the highest paid players as if they alone could win a championship if they just tried harder.

The Wild got not one, but the two best free agents that were available that year and not by just a little bit. Again, the TMSF has no clue that this is true, they think that the Wild could have gotten anyone in the league and they just chose badly.

Parise is currently the Wild’s leading scorer. He’s tied for 43rd in the league and is on pace to be above 30 goals this season. Yes, he has had injury issues that clearly impacted his play for at least 2 years.

Also, the TMSF thinks that 30 goal guys grow on trees and that 40 goal guys are just a little less common, so they p1ss and moan about Parise’s “lack of production”. Honestly, ask any TMSF how many guys in the NHL last year scored MORE than 30 and then more than 40 regular season goals and get ready for some batsh!t crazy answers that just prove how little the TMSF knows about hockey and how artificially high the TMSF sets the bar to compare Parise to.

There’s no point in even discussing what Suter does for the team because the only thing the TMSF knows about d-men is that they don’t score enough goals.

BTW, the answer to my little quiz above for last season is that there were just 8 40-goal guys last year and 1 of the 8 was wearing a Wild sweater. There were just 24 guys who scored 30 to 39 goals and again 1 was in a Wild sweater. There were zero 50 goal regular season guys last season.

Grouse

belletaine wrote:

You guys are missing the real issue. Pug needs to move back to Minny. He moves to Florida and Tampa Bay is looking down at the rest of the league.

You may be on to something. Maybe there was never a curse of the Pug. Maybe I actually make teams exceed expectations. Maybe the Wild would have never made the playoffs all those years!

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

The Wild got not one, but the two best free agents that were available that year and not by just a little bit. Again, the TMSF has no clue that this is true, they think that the Wild could have gotten anyone in the league and they just chose badly.

Yes they did- And they still have not been able to get past the first round.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

BTW, the answer to my little quiz above for last season is that there were just 8 40-goal guys last year and 1 of the 8 was wearing a Wild sweater. There were just 24 guys who scored 30 to 39 goals and again 1 was in a Wild sweater. There were zero 50 goal regular season guys last season.

Yes they did- And they still have not been able to get past the first round.

The best that the Wild have ever played in the past, was not good enough.
Nothing has changed that fact, what ever or who ever can take them over the top is not on this roster.
It’s time to make changes.

As I said in my previous post you can’t ask much more from Parise and Suter. Parise is exactly what we thought he was. A grinder and always in the paint and gets his goals. he’s not fancy he just outworks everybody like he always has. As far as defensemen the less you hear their names called the better. If you hear their name a lot it’s probably for getting beat. Suter has clearly lost a step since the injury but even Suter losing a step is still better than most. Spurgeon is probably the best defenseman we have and can produce some points. TMSF can expect what they want but they are not on the ice and have little to no affect on the outcome of a game. That’s on the guys with skates on. If the players are getting all depressed because they are getting booed then we got way more problems than we thought.

I heard one of the analyst on NHL network talking about the wild’s situation last night and he said exactly what I was thinking about the value these guys can bring being the play has been so bad. He did say it would be interesting to see how much attention Grandlund could bring but he speculated Coyle and even Zucker would not bring much.
The wild’s beat move might be to move Staal and his salary and stand pat and reset for next season.

If you can’t get value in return and you move these guys for equal or even lesser players just to reshuffle the deck it’s going to be a even longer road back.

After this season, Suter and Parise each have 6 years left on their contracts, but they were structured in a way that years 4,5,6 combine for a total of 4 million in salary, so buying them out would cost (2/3 of remaining total salary) $2.75 million each spread out over 6 years (x2 the remaining contract years) or less than $500k per season each against the cap, to put that in perspective, we’re currently paying Tyler Ennis 2.75 million this season and 1.25 million next season in buyout money all after Vanik finally came off the books last year and for god sakes Mark Parrish’s contract finally came off a few years before that) so we’ve always had some dead money on our cap…

Again, this is an option if their games start to deteriorate after the 2021-2022 season

So this gets back to my earlier post, Fenton could totally change this team in 2-3 years if he wanted to and basically start over from a bad salary cap standpoint (assuming the existing (Zucker/Dumba) and future (Greenway,Kunin) contracts signed still make sense)

JoeMX1825 wrote:

After this season, Suter and Parise each have 6 years left on their contracts, but they were structured in a way that years 4,5,6 combine for a total of 4 million in salary, so buying them out would cost (2/3 of remaining total salary) $2.75 million each spread out over 6 years (x2 the remaining contract years) or less than $500k per season each against the cap,

Yeah that’s not how it works… not for the buyout cap hit anyway. You still have to add in the difference between original cap hit and actual base salary. If Suter or Parise gets bought out with 3 years (summer 2022 buyout) left their cap hits over the next 6 years would be $6mil, $7mil, $7mil, $0.4mil, $0.4mil, $0.4mil.

If either retires, it will be even worse. Google NHL cap recapture.

The only real hope in getting out of these contracts is in the next CBA negotiations.

yup, you’re right, my bad…so they would save about $2.5 million from a caphit standpoint…let’s hope they both find the fountain of youth in 3 years…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

yup, you’re right, my bad…so they would save about $2.5 million from a caphit standpoint…let’s hope they both find the fountain of youth in 3 years…

And for 2022 compliance buyouts… just in case.

Ouch

Back to back shutouts at home. 1-9 since the all-star break. The team looks defeated, Bruce seems to have checked out. Is this rock bottom yet?

There is a cap hit for guys retiring? Wtf. I suppose because contractor are guaranteed.

Last night removed all doubt what the Wild should be doing leading up to the deadline. It’s going to be a long few seasons coming up.

mplspug wrote:

There is a cap hit for guys retiring? Wtf. I suppose because contractor are guaranteed.

Last night removed all doubt what the Wild should be doing leading up to the deadline. It’s going to be a long few seasons coming up.

lot’s of homes for sale here Pug…
Maybe Fenton will cover the relocation.

If Fenton has plans on dealing, he needs to start soon before the market gets saturated with better player options for the teams that are buying.

mplspug wrote:

There is a cap hit for guys retiring? Wtf. I suppose because contractor are guaranteed.

Yep, its called Cap Recapture. Its in the CBA after the last lockout specifically penalizing teams for long contracts with declining value. The contracts in particular that spawned it? Parise and Suter at 13 year deals.

I suppose that is the same reason Pavel Datsyuk was “traded”.

Or you’re Marian Hossa and the skin condition you’ve always had suddenly stops you from playing out the final years of your 10 year contract…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Or you’re Marian Hossa and the skin condition you’ve always had suddenly stops you from playing out the final years of your 10 year contract…

Interesting you brought up Hossa. I was long of the belief that it was a fabricated story, but recently he did an interview and it sounds just awful!

Charlie Coyle traded to Boston

Grouse u got your wish finally…cant say as I’m sad to see him go…but I wo nt be thrilled unless donato can fill those sandals which should be a tall task by any means

jeff_huberty wrote:

Charlie Coyle traded to Boston

The beginning of his resurrection. How’s Nino doing?

Coyle for Donato plus a 5th round pick. Doesn’t seem “monumental” to me. In fact it doesn’t seem worth the paper to right it from the Wilds point of view.

jeff_huberty wrote:

Charlie Coyle traded to Boston

Well if there was any question whether or not this team is done, this should seal the deal. The end is near. I am done with this club!

Dutchboy wrote:

Coyle for Donato plus a 5th round pick. Doesn’t seem “monumental” to me. In fact it doesn’t seem worth the paper to right it from the Wilds point of view.

I wouldnt write off Donato at all, he played very well in the Olympics and was a top prospect in their system, he’s a center, he knows how to score goals and he’s young, all things the Wild needs then add on top of it a 5th round pick (draft currency or get lucky like we did with Kaprizov 5th rd pick a few years ago). Of course now we get to watch Coyle figure it out and become a good player too, I like the trade!

Much like the Gophers there will be plenty of good seats available.

Dutchboy wrote:

Much like the Gophers there will be plenty of good seats available.

There already are, most of those in attendance numbers this season were sketchy at best.

Put it this way. Donato is 22. If he puts up 40-50 point when he’s 26 it will be a wash, but chances are he’ll be better than that. Call me in 4 years.

I’m glad he goes to his home state. Hope he does well.

Can the Wild fit his 9 points into the line-up?

The trade isn’t for immediate returns.

On another note:
“It hasn’t been a lot of fun trying to sleep at night,” Fenton told The Athletic’s Michael Russo prior to Tuesday’s 4-0 loss to the Anaheim Ducks. “When I do go to sleep, I find myself crying like a baby.”

So, any questions about the Bolts I can answer?