MN Wild 2018-19 Official Thread

biggill wrote:

Explain to me how any of the recent trades were regular players.

Trades, is that plural?

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Well, some minor league swaps and a new contract locking Staylock up for 3 more years. Fenton isn’t exactly shaking up the known universe with big club trades. Fenton talks, but doesn’t really say much in interviews, so it will be interesting to see what else happens.

Some bigger moves around the league. The Pens just traded for Nick Bjugstad and Jared McCann from the Panthers, but at a pretty steep price giving up Derick Brassard, Riley Sheahan and three 2019 draft picks. I really liked Bjugstad when he was at the U, back when they had a hockey team.

Agreed.

Doesn’t seem to be any urgency to make a bigger deal. Probably many reasons for that, but don’t want them making stupid trades and buying high and selling low. But they need to do something, what that is, not smart enough to understand all the tentacles to that quagmire.

The pens are in a way different situation. Even though they are giving up a ton, they are way closer to going deep in the post season now, then the wild ever has been in the ZP/RS era.

This is the time of year to buy high and sell low. That’s why they wait til summer to make a more strategic move. If anything significant happens it would be a deal that Fenton can’t pass up.

I saw that Bjugstad was on the trading block and sounded really intriguing until I realized how incredibly injury prone he has been.

They sure looks like a team out of sync tonight. Dubs is rock solid. I hope they can keep him rested because he clearly plays better after some rest. If we can get this Dubnyk all the time, I can’t see how they could trade him.

Why are so many Wild opponents arenas half empty?

Home of hockey?

biggill wrote:

They sure looks like a team out of sync tonight. Dubs is rock solid. I hope they can keep him rested because he clearly plays better after some rest. If we can get this Dubnyk all the time, I can’t see how they could trade him.

Tonight?
How about all season?

Fenton is handcuffed by the lack of talent on this team, he is between a rock and a hard place, if they make the playoffs they have no chance of advancing past the 1st round.
The inconsistent play has devalued the options of trading players along with all the ridiculous contracts that Fletcher signed.
The trades he has made all point to a structure rebuild, they seem to be building options for unloading contracts and players for the expansion draft.
Tradeable?
I highly doubt Stall will be playing out the season in a Wild jersey.
It looks more likely that a defenseman will be traded also,maybe a D & forward combo.

The Wild will probably see the Twin $98 mil contracts expire before they ever get to play for the cup.
Unless Fenton pulls off some fantastic draft choices, and shrewd trades.

Kurt Turner wrote:

Why are so many Wild opponents arenas half empty?

Home of hockey?

As this season progresses there are more and more empty seat in the EX-CELL, yet the wild continue to announce inflated gates gate numbers.
The only time there are butts in all the seats are when fans from other teams fill them.

Kurt Turner wrote:

Home of hockey?

As I watched last night’s game and of the seats you can see on TV (the “good” seats most would agree) I’d say they were at least 10-20% empty. Which is fine, I guess, until you remember that this is the same city that was just awarded a Winter Classic game by the NHL….

biggill wrote:

This is the time of year to buy high and sell low. That’s why they wait til summer to make a more strategic move. If anything significant happens it would be a deal that Fenton can’t pass up.

Agreed.

Fenton seems to not be making any drastic moves yet, and actually think that’s good long term.

Don’t want to see stupid, Fletcher like trades mortgaging the future for this group’s chances of getting it together. He seems to understand this group is what it is and they are going to be left together to see how they finish out the season. I don’t know what the future holds, but assuming if they have a halfhearted playoff first round exit, there will be hopefully more futuristic plans vs trying to put pieces into place to help this team win short term. For ZP/RS/MK, that might start opening their eyes to their age and where the rest of their nhl careers are headed with the wild, and no real hope’s for a deep playoff run.

If I was DD, I’d welcome a trade if it goes to a softcore rebuild vs a blow it up rebuild.

As much as I hate a softcore rebuild, agree it’s about making money. Keeping the trinity, is inevitable and still keeps fans in the seats. But it will take a decade to put future players in wild Jerseys to have a chance at another real playoff run, unless something miraculous happens.

jeff_huberty wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>
They sure looks like a team out of sync tonight. Dubs is rock solid. I hope they can keep him rested because he clearly plays better after some rest. If we can get this Dubnyk all the time, I can’t see how they could trade him.

Tonight?
How about all season?

Fenton is handcuffed by the lack of talent on this team, he is between a rock and a hard place, if they make the playoffs they have no chance of advancing past the 1st round.
The inconsistent play has devalued the options of trading players along with all the ridiculous contracts that Fletcher signed.
The trades he has made all point to a structure rebuild, they seem to be building options for unloading contracts and players for the expansion draft.
Tradeable?
I highly doubt Stall will be playing out the season in a Wild jersey.
It looks more likely that a defenseman will be traded also,maybe a D & forward combo.

The Wild will probably see the Twin $98 mil contracts expire before they ever get to play for the cup.
Unless Fenton pulls off some fantastic draft choices, and shrewd trades.

Agreed.

I just noticed Nino scored his 5th goal in his 5th Hurricane game…looks like the change in scenery worked for him…I’m excited to watch the Sabres tonight, talk about a young team with alot of talent..future looks bright for them..

And now placing veterans on waivers, hardly seems like a team gearing up for a playoff run.

meh, those worthless moves needed to happen as we now have some roster flexibility to work with. I’m sure Fenton has his own internal clock ticking down before he decides to unload or not. If they do decide to make changes hopefully we get ahead of the big deals so we get more value back. Maybe Koivu would waive his no trade clause to go to the Jets? they are looking for a #2 center and are danging their 1st rounder this draft. I know it’s in our division, but he would be a rental anyways with the huge contracts they have re-up this offseason…

Those guys were placed on waivers so they could be sent to IA. It makes room to bring Kunin and Rau up.

Before Saturday, Brown hadn’t been in the lineup since 1/17.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

meh, those worthless moves needed to happen as we now have some roster flexibility to work with.

Totaly agree.

Them going unclaimed reveals their value around the league.

The issue is the wild have been fiddle farting around trying to add pieces to the bottom of the roster ever since the 2017 “Hanzal and Grettle for every draft pick known to mankind” trade.
the problem is not the bottom of the roster.

And Fenton has been left to shovel the mess.

What a way to come out of the All Star break… losses to Dallas and Chicago

Kurt Turner wrote:

Why are so many Wild opponents arenas half empty?
Home of hockey?

One word: Southerners.

Hockey should never have moved south of the Mason Dixon line. A southern fan might as well be called a Huberty. Bandwagon fans that pack the arena when the team is winning and then mutter about “blowing it up” and disappear as soon as the team isn’t deemed by the sports media to be a sure cup contender.

Just look at where the chronic empty arenas are around the league. Arizona, Florida, Carolina, Dallas. Notice any similarities? I’m not talking about a few empty seats here, I’m talking about half empty lower levels and 2/3 empty upper decks. Nashville will be the same way in 5 years.

Just look at Dallas. What an embarrassment to the NHL. The damn team has 2 of the biggest stars in the game AND is in playoff contention and the arena is not even half full. Typical southerners, let ’em play football down there, why should the NHL pretend otherwise? Move the teams to real hocky markets and stop the embarrassment. Move Arizona or Florida to Quebec City and get it over with. The finally give either NS or southern Ontario some love and again, get it over with. Why is it not obvious to the league that it would be better to move a team like Arizona to a small market like Halifax and have a small, but full arena every game rather than have the current situation of a big, empty areana on TV every game night in Arizona.

Grouse

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Hockey should never have moved south of the Mason Dixon line. A southern fan might as well be called a Huberty. Bandwagon fans that pack the arena when the team is winning and then mutter about “blowing it up” and disappear as soon as the team isn’t deemed by the sports media to be a sure cup contender.

Grousehopper;
Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance, your Humility is the Embarrassment you feel when you tell everyone how wonderful you are.

Isn’t Washington DC below the Mason Dixon line?

The rare exceptions just prove the rule. Unless the NHL wants to prop up Southern teams with continual life support there is no way the situation is sustainable.

Grouse

Have you seen a Detroit, islander or New Jersey game?

Buffalo arena half empty

Carolina, Anaheim, Tampa Bay, Los angels, Dallas all have cups since 99.

State of hockey, really?

Maybe a few years of empty seats and people putting down the rose colored glasses might get the blindly loyal to realize that ain’t high quality cool aid they are drinking and paying a premium for.

No need to put a quality product on the ice when the fan base is so well educated that they keep buying tickets no matter the product on the ice. If the owners weren’t filling seats and selling so many Ryan Sutter sweaters, maybe, just maybe, we could get a hockey team from the state of hockey and in a geographical area that is supposed to have hockey past the first round of the playoffs.

Till then, keep the rose colored, highly educated and intellectual glasses on and ignore the fact this team ain’t doing jack squat post season with this line up. But I guess past failures aren’t indicative of future results, or are they in the wilds case?

Signed sincerely,

An open eyed bandwagoner, who enjoys watching good hockey, not just rooting for the home town team to make the owners more money just because.

basseyes wrote:

If the owners weren’t filling seats and selling so many Ryan Sutter sweaters,

Since when was there a Sutter on the roster??? Does he wear #5?

basseyes wrote:

Signed sincerely,

An open eyed bandwagoner, who enjoys watching good hockey, not just rooting for the home town team to make the owners more money just because.

And yet, somehow you still care. If you are truly appalled at the lack of success of this team how could you possibly follow them? You’re not even a bandwagoner. You’re a closet, rose colored glasses wearing, SUTER jersey owner, aren’t you?

How hard is it to understand professional sports is a multi-billion dollar business? Winning championships is only icing on the cake.

First and foremost, PROFIT! Championships aren’t the only way to make a profit. This team has pushed the brand and the sport at every level so successfully that it doesn’t need cups to be successful or profitable. Little Johnny planting the flag at center ice is putting buts in the seats and there’s nothing you’re going to do about it. You see, they spend a lot of money on salaries of marketing professionals. It’s a business, remember?

If you get that through your thick skull maybe you can come to terms with the fact that your little rants don’t mean squat to this team or it’s following.

Who’s really wearing the rose colored glasses? If you can’t see that you’re hopeless.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Just look at Dallas. What an embarrassment to the NHL.

I believe you’r referring to 2020 Winter Classic Host Dallas.

biggill wrote:

First and foremost, PROFIT! Championships aren’t the only way to make a profit. This team has pushed the brand and the sport at every level so successfully that it doesn’t need cups to be successful or profitable. Little Johnny planting the flag at center ice is putting buts in the seats and there’s nothing you’re going to do about it. You see, they spend a lot of money on salaries of marketing professionals. It’s a business, remember?

Spoken like a true dolt

The hockey monopoly is now grabbing straws, railing on typos and misspellings to uphold their points.
Then to top it it off with the ultimate goal of turning a profit as a loyal fan base should.

Hockey Monopoky maybe take your #5, and Sutter pajamas, pop some popcorn and go watch a Smurf movie.
FYI, your rose colored glasse will also make the smurfs turn Green as a Wild Jersey or a Dollar bill.

jeff_huberty wrote:

Spoken like a true dolt

The hockey monopoly is now grabbing straws, railing on typos and misspellings to uphold their points.
Then to top it it off with the ultimate goal of turning a profit as a loyal fan base should.

Hockey Monopoky maybe take your #5, and Sutter pajamas, pop some popcorn and go watch a Smurf movie.
FYI, your rose colored glasse will also make the smurfs turn Green as a Wild Jersey or a Dollar bill

You waiting for this organization to turn into a dynasty is like me hoping for your immature insults to evolve into something informative.

In a debate, someone who is defeated has nowhere to turn but insults. It’s about the only thing you contribute here.

so now Koivu’s injury likely means he’s not going to be traded..great….

and wtf do you put Rask out as your first shooter last night? His last shootout attempt was years ago…that was just dumb…

was nice to see Parise make up for his brainfart giveaway…when your best players are making bonehead plays like that, you have to wonder about this team…

Your vanity mirror Broken?
The Hockey Monopoly rails and stands on insults,typos and miss spelled names.
Congratulations

Now take a time out and go stand in the corner.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

so now Koivu’s injury likely means he’s not going to be traded..great….

Agreed. Don’t worry, I’d be guessing right around the time free agency begins, he’ll be having surgery too.

I’m glad you can look past this train wreck of a thread.

Out of respect for the rules of this site and respect in general, I’m just going to bow out of this thread. If you guys want me to see your smart reply, send me a pm because I won’t be coming back in here.

Enjoy yourselves.

I ignore the drama, just here to talk about hockey…

How about that Mathews contract! Why is it so front loaded when the total amount is evenly spread out for the salary cap? How does that help the Leafs?