My point being they are trying to win, not because they HAVE TO but because they are fans of their sports.
Nobody understands money better then sports team owners who are for the most part billionaires these days.
Whoops, I read it wrong.
Did you guys hear Boudreau in the pre-game interview last night. He said: “If your best players aren’t your best players, your not going to win the game”
Kinda speaks volumes……
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
My point being they are trying to win, not because they HAVE TO but because they are fans of their sports.Nobody understands money better then sports team owners who are for the most part billionaires these days.
Whoops, I read it wrong.
No, I wrote it wrong. Your reading skills are fine.
The problem I have with moving Granlund, Zucker and Brodin is what exactly are you looking to replace them with that makes the team better? They are all relatively young, on average contracts and fill vital roles on the team that are not easy to replace
From the outside looking at it from another GMs point of view, I think those Names would be targets.
I am not saying trade them all, but in order to get good value Fenton will most likely have those discussions.
It will be difficult to move a players like Nino, he has had a rough season and probably peaked the last two seasons.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
The problem I have with moving Granlund, Zucker and Brodin is what exactly are you looking to replace them with that makes the team better? They are all relatively young, on average contracts and fill vital roles on the team that are not easy to replaceFrom the outside looking at it from another GMs point of view, I think those Names would be targets.
I am not saying trade them all, but in order to get good value Fenton will most likely have those discussions.
It will be difficult to move a players like Nino, he has had a rough season and probably peaked the last two seasons.
Or this is a off season and he will continue to progress next year.
Or this is a off season and he will continue to progress next year.
Possible; I am not sure there are teams in the market for a skill set that is more than likely diminishing rather than ascending. Could be he has never fully recovered from his leg injuries last season. He also has a large salary that may scare off potential teams.
You are of course assuming he is on the trading block.
You are of course assuming he is on the trading block.
Absolutely, at this point it’s all assumptions.
I never realized it but Dubnyk is one of the lower paid goalies in the league.
If a contender has a goalie go down, he would have by far the most trade value at the deadline. If not then, the off-season may have him packing considering Fenton didn’t sign him.
If that happens, it’ll be full rebuild mode.
I never realized it but Dubnyk is one of the lower paid goalies in the league.
If a contender has a goalie go down, he would have by far the most trade value at the deadline. If not then, the off-season may have him packing considering Fenton didn’t sign him.
If that happens, it’ll be full rebuild mode.
Agreed, since coming to MN he is top 3 in every statistical category that matters for goalies, yet he gets so much flak. The problem is, say he gets moved, who will replace him? I am not convinced Stalock can handle a heavy load and not sure Kahkonnen is ready in Iowa for a move up. I am sure after the season there will be goalies available, but they will likely take considerably more money to get here and are they an improvement? Guys like Bobrovski, I would say is an improvement, but he has some attitude issues and will get big $$$. No one else out there that I would be interested in at all.
I am not convinced Stalock can handle a heavy load and not sure Kahkonnen is ready in Iowa for a move up.
If this season is a bust at the trade deadline it would make sense to trade him and give Kahkonnen and Stalock a shot. See what you have for a season or two. If it does nowt work out then take a shot at a free agent.
Remember the Hanzl-white trade
Trying to forget that one lol.
As much as it’d stink to see Dubnyk go, might be a huge wakeup call to the whole team.
Take him out and you loose a minimum of ten more games a year, if not more with this line up.
He’s the only buy low, sell high asset we got.
One thing’s for sure, sick of buying high and selling low.
I never realized it but Dubnyk is one of the lower paid goalies in the league.
If a contender has a goalie go down, he would have by far the most trade value at the deadline. If not then, the off-season may have him packing considering Fenton didn’t sign him.
Yes and no. He’s lower paid on a per year average, but he has one of the longest contracts among top goalies in the league with a 6-year deal worth something like $26 million, and all of that is guaranteed.
The deal was also front-loaded so I believe he’s pulling down something like $5 million for the first 3 years. Which isn’t too bad for that length of deal.
And by the way, they probably won’t be trading him because he has a limited no trade clause in years 1-3. I’m not sure if the clause allows him to say over any trade so he could possibly agree to it, but he does have a no-trade clause in place so they can’t just deal him outright.
Grouse
I like that Fenton hasn’t over reacted. You need to know and understand your team dynamics before you can make moves. Unless of course you intend to ship 20 players out, then fire away.
I agree for the most part….but when you you are up against the cap, don’t have much for draft picks to give up, your assets are worth less on the market than you had hoped, and you have several with no trade clauses….you can’t even act much less react. Fenton is in a very tough spot and it will take a magician to get out of this mess in the short term. If CL and the fans could stomach it then blow it up make the youth movement, and do a total rebuild which will take much more time. Too bad CL only wanted tweaks and Fenton had to stand down before the season because he could have gotten more in return before the season than he could now.
Keep in mind promises were also made to the coach to put forth a winning effort. I don’t know that BB wants to get involved in a rebuild.
All this rebuild talk is kinda silly since it’s not like they haven’t been competitive the last years.
This fan base isn’t Montreal or even Toronto where the populous thinks it’s a birthright to make the play-offs and win cups.
Yes and no. He’s lower paid on a per year average, but he has one of the longest contracts among top goalies in the league with a 6-year deal worth something like $26 million, and all of that is guaranteed.
I finally had a chance to check his contact details. He’s under contract through ‘20-‘21. Cap hit is $4.3M each year. He has a modified ntc which limits trade to 19 teams.
I’m not sure if that means the wild can trade him to any of those 19 teams at any time, but to me, those are some really attractive numbers for a buyer.
I’d be surprised if he would go at the deadline. It makes so much more sense to wait for July when you have multiple potential buyers.
If you guys wanted a splash, this might be it.
This fan base isn’t Montreal or even Toronto where the populous thinks it’s a birthright to make the play-offs and win cups.
Apparently you haven’t read this thread.
Keep in mind promises were also made to the coach to put forth a winning effort. I don’t know that BB wants to get involved in a rebuild.
All this rebuild talk is kinda silly since it’s not like they haven’t been competitive the last years.
I agree. However, I do think there will be some significant moves in the off-season to retool a little. If Dubnyk goes, next season may be sacrificed but I’d expect a plan for a quick rebound.
Good effort overall last night. Same 3 period collapse after the got the lead. They completely quit putting offensive pressure on the Kings and let them have zone time. That usually equals a goal.
Did I ever say I like Greenway? He’s that offensive grit with talent theyve needed forever.
Did I ever say I like Greenway? He’s that offensive grit with talent theyve needed forever.
Ive been riding the Greenway train since the Wild drafted him. My buddy gives me a lot of flak about it and would rib me before every game early this season because he wasn’t doing much. Well, I haven’t heard a word of it since.
I hope he stays healthy and he will only get stronger. He is definitely someone you can build around. I don’t think he will ever score more than 30 goals, but he sure makes it tough on defenders the way he can shield off the puck and his reach keeps it away from them as well.
I actually really liked the line of Coyle, Greenway and Kunin when they were together briefly at one point. I think the way Staal has been playing is holding him back. Hopefully he snaps out of it soon.
Well, that was better at least. Have to disagree that they “collapsed” in the 3rd. 1 goal is a collapse against the King’s top line? The Kings were pressing really hard and getting the D in way deep, which left them very exposed and the Wild nearly made them pay for it twice. Now Parise came up short there when he needed to score with that one, so that wasn’t great. At least a lot more solid than they’ve been in the past 2 weeks. The only thing keeping LA in that game was Quick.
I can’t tell you what a relief it is that the Wild under Bruce have a solid strategy for OT 3-3 play. That was such a f###### disaster under clueless Mike Yeo it still pi$$es me off to even think about it.
The player I’m really hoping will warm up and switch on is Kunin. You can tell he’s still a little hesitant and conservative, he’s afraid of doing the wrong thing still it looks like. But he’s got it as we saw with that sniper shot 2 games ago, when there’s nothing else to think about, he’s got it.
Grouse
Decent game. But giving up a late tying goal, at home, to the last place team in the entire Western Conference hardly instills any confidence. 
Decent game. But giving up a late tying goal, at home, to the last place team in the entire Western Conference hardly instills any confidence.
Correct, but they got both points last night. Yeah, they let the Kings have 1 perhaps they didn’t deserve but that isn’t going to haunt the Wild at all.
The Wild are in 8th place in the Western Conference, 5th in Central, but only 1 pt behind both the Stars (played 1 less game than Stars) and Avs. So, if they string some wins together they will be in 3rd quite easily.
Have to disagree that they “collapsed” in the 3rd. 1 goal is a collapse against the King’s top line? The Kings were pressing really hard and getting the D in way deep, which left
The Kings were definitely pressing hard but once the wild got control and were able to break out, nobody was following into the offensive zone to press and maintain possession. I’d much rather see them fight for possession in the o zone than the d zone. Looked very reminiscent of the Jets game 3rd period. That has to stop unless they’re up by 4 goals.
Yes, I would like to see them be more assertive in the 3rd when in the lead. But I get that it’s hard to actually execute when a team is willing to go all-in on you e by getting the D men pressed deep into the play.
The problem is by the time you gain possession, if you can’t spring somebody on a breakaway, you’re almost always having to dump and change to keep fresh legs on the ice. Kind of a catch 22, you don’t want to take chances with gassed players pushing into the offensive zone and then giving up possession and getting pinned back in the D zone late in a game.
Hard to pick out anything different the Wild can do, you watch almost any close hockey game and the team in the lead very often ends up playing more D because of the combination of the other team gambling more and not wanting to take chances with tired players getting trapped on the ice for multiple cycles.
Grouse
I understand all that. I actually paid close attention to TOI and how fresh guys were. That why I commented. It just seemed like somebody was telling them over and over “don’t get beat”. When that happens guys stop skating and attacking. I guess I’d rather see a few odd man rushes than be pinned in our zone when you’re up by one. The wild do very well defending odd man rushes IMHO.
It just isn’t the right mentality being up by only one goal. The more time spent in your own end results in more faceoffs there and tired d-men.
I was actually more content with the entire 3rd period against the Jets because they were up by a couple and they were hustling and blocking shots.
It’s was just a 1/2 period, I just hope they got this crap (last 3 games) out of their system.
Well, the first Fenton trade is in the books and it looks like he has some selling skills! Pontus Aberg has some good proven NHL offensive skill and all we gave up was Kloos!
I like the fact we got somebody who has offensive skill and needs to work on improving his defense, typically its the other way around..
Russo said he starts tomorrow night.
This gives me hope he can get some value with future trades (Nino, Foligno, etc)
Well, the first Fenton trade is in the books and it looks like he has some selling skills! Pontus Aberg has some good proven NHL offensive skill and all we gave up was Kloos!
Russo said he starts tomorrow night.
This gives me hope he can get some value with future trades (Nino, Foligno, etc)
It is a start and I hope Good news continues coming.
However reading all this pie in the sky nonsense is at least humorous.
Aberg is worth a shot, but it’s a safe trade. Hopefully he helps the PP if Bruce gives him a shot on the unit.
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