MN Wild 2018-19 Official Thread

I’d keep coyle over Nino because he can play center. I don’t think the Wild have a lot of depth there.

Brutal effort last night, when players admit there was a lack of effort and they weren’t skating what does that tell you about this team?

There’s no leadership on this team…time for the annual “players only meeting” ???

Just a hard team to understand.

What do you expect when 1 of the highest paid and supposed leaders of the team “Pace’s” himself so he can stay on the ice longer.
Do you really think the other players aren’t going to pace themselves as well.

As usual, you guys are missing the bright side here.

Sure it was a loss, and sure the Wild looked like they were skating in wet cement with a plow hooked behind them, but…

At least we got rid of that underachiever Vanek.

There. You see? It wasn’t so bad after all…

Grouse

Tom schmitt wrote:

What do you expect when 1 of the highest paid and supposed leaders of the team “Pace’s” himself so he can stay on the ice longer.
Do you really think the other players aren’t going to pace themselves as well.

This is exactly what I was talking about RS in my previous posts. That and the leadership or lack therof. Hard to watch.

How much do you guys pay for your access inside the locker room, practices, front office, etc.?

mplspug wrote:

How much do you guys pay for your access inside the locker room, practices, front office, etc.?

They don’t need it. They can tell Suter isn’t a leader because he’s not a screamer and he isn’t breaking sticks on the gate while getting off the ice after every shift. Real leader = a commitment to lots of screaming and stick breaking, plus the occasional helmet throw going into the dressing room.

Also, unless your skating style looks like you’re flailing around imitating a drowning Tasmanian Devil, you can’t possibly be working out there. He doesn’t show emotion, therefore he’s a slacker who doesn’t care.

The interesting thing about this “Suter Cancer” theory is none of the past Wild players say anything to support it.

Grouse

He’s not the only one, but when he is one of the captains and getting paid the big bucks then it’s his job to do something about it.

You honestly don’t think leadership is a problem on this team??? Like Joe just said…. “when players admit there was a lack of effort” there is a problem

I was speaking towards Koivu exclusively, He’s one of the laziest players I’ve ever seen.

Just focus on him tonight when he’s on the ice and you’ll see alot of coasting, circling instead of stop/starting, slow backchecks and terrible line changes…it happens every game…I pointed this out last year when we had so many OT games, his laziness of going for a line change when the other team moves up the ice DIRECTLY lead to 2 or 3 OT losses by his guy scoring the goal because the guy going out for him was so behind the play.

Until he is held accountable by the Coaches/GM/Owner, nothing will change and that cancer spreads to every player…

I’ve never seen Suter dog any plays and his personality doesn’t come across as being problematic…His lack of physicality has lead to some dirty goals in front of the net, but nobody is 100% perfect. Suter’s style looks effortless at times, but that’s because his positioning is usually flawless..

I agree with that analysis. And I agree about Koivu.

But bottom line is that somebody needs to get a sense of urgency. Somebody needs to step up and be a leader. And those players getting looked at first would include Suter / Parise / Koivu.

I would point to the team as a whole; their capabilities as a group to play with any consistency has been their burden for several seasons. It comes down to talent, the Wild do not have the Horses to compete consistently.
They can win a game against most of the teams in the League but they have a hard time keeping their head in the game for any length of time, or any three periods for that matter.

jeff_huberty wrote:

It comes down to talent, the Wild do not have the Horses to compete consistently.

Yeah, you’re right. This team is missing that McDavid or Tarasenko to propel them into a top playoff spot like their respective teams.

Captain and assistant captain of their teams I might add. Yup, the wild are sure missing out.

biggill wrote:

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It comes down to talent, the Wild do not have the Horses to compete consistently.

Yeah, you’re right. This team is missing that McDavid or Tarasenko to propel them into a top playoff spot like their respective teams.

Ohh looky looky
1/2 of the Hockey Sense Monopoly is back (They like to call themselves Wild Nation)

lindyrig79 wrote:

But bottom line is that somebody needs to get a sense of urgency. Somebody needs to step up and be a leader. And those players getting looked at first would include Suter / Parise / Koivu.

I don’t think there is any way you can say that Parise isn’t doing those things based on the eye test watching him play. He brings it every dang night. He may not get the results, but you can never say its because of a lack of effort.
I have no concerns over Suter’s effort or leadership ability. He is just a smart player and positionally sound. He doesn’t get beat often, the McDavid one earlier in there year looked bad, but he makes a lot of people look silly.
Koivu, we all know he is in the decline of his career. None of us knows what goes on in the locker room to question his leadership qualities there. On the ice, well, there are key times I would rather not have him out there, but D zone face offs are one I want him out there. OT, probably not. Unless to get a key faceoff in the D Zone again and then get off the ice right away.
Tonight will be a barometer game again. Another below average team like Detroit and lets see which team shows up. Is the team who beat the Jets 3 times and the Leafs, or is it the team that got blown out on home ice to the Wings?

Acknowledged lack of effort, speaks volumes over analytics.

Leaders lead.

This team is directionless, that doesn’t point to great leadership. It points to something deeper. And it’s nothing new and isn’t going away no matter how much it’s ignored.

The ship is adrift in delusional waters of everything is just peachy.

jeff_huberty wrote:

I would point to the team as a whole; their capabilities as a group to play with any consistency has been their burden for several seasons. It comes down to talent, the Wild do not have the Horses to compete consistently.
They can win a game against most of the teams in the League but they have a hard time keeping their head in the game for any length of time, or any three periods for that matter.

basseyes wrote:

The ship is adrift in delusional waters of everything is just peachy.

How can you possibly suggest that people think it’s all “peachy”? If this team was positioned in the top 3 in the league and your intuition is telling you they’re overrated, then you might have some validity. There is no one suggesting this team is the next cup contender.

You guys wearing the captain obvious badges are pointing out flaws in a mediocre team, well, good for you

You’re also great at pointing out intangible flaws that you yourselves can’t even understand. What the hell is leadership? What does Toews, Crosby, Ovie do that Parise and Suter don’t? Do you really know the answer? Are you saying that the Caps, Pens, Preds, Bolts, Jets haven’t come out and laid an egg against bottom feeders? What about the Jets 0-3 record against the leaderless, inconsistent, superstarless Wild team.

I left Koivu out because he’s been playing like a turd all season. Win the face off and get off the ice.

People on Twins threads were always over Mauer about him not meeting their leadership standards. Didn’t matter that people from that lockerroom always said he was their clubhouse leader. He never did rip his jersey off and throw it on the field, or kick dirt at an umpire and get tossed. So because of some fans’ extensive research (i.e. what they see on TV) they chastised Mauer for not being a leader.

I’m seeing similarities in this thread.

I can never say I witnessed Mauer not give full effort or his selfishness put his team in a position to lose games on the field, but I can say that about Koivu…

Leadership by example is probably the #1 quality of a team leader…

biggill wrote:

What does Toews, Crosby, Ovie do that Parise and Suter don’t? Do you really know the answer? Are you saying that the Caps, Pens, Preds, Bolts, Jets haven’t come out and laid an egg against bottom feeders? What about the Jets 0-3 record against the leaderless, inconsistent, superstarless Wild team.

Laying an egg consistently is much different than a a couple clunkers here or there. There’s a pattern of no effort, or effortless games.

Their record in the post season speaks volumes for the core group with different role players.

I’m glad I kind of pulled out of this topic this year. It’s exhausting.

Anyway I have my own worries with the lightning. Lately they have been falling behind early, playing poor defence, Vasy doesn’t look the same since coming back and the pace they set may be catching up to them.

biggill wrote:

There is no one suggesting this team is the next cup contender.

You guys wearing the captain obvious badges are pointing out flaws in a mediocre team, well, good for you

Glad we can agree this team is not a cup contender, at all, not even kind of. According to you, it’s obvious and a mediocre team, correct?

So we should just stay the course?

The longer this team waits to make any substantial moves, the longer they will be mediocre, or worse and the longer we will be out of even sniffing the payoffs.

It’s so obvious, yet some want to stay the course and buck the old saying, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Have seen nothing from this group that even remotely suggests it’s worth staying the course anymore.

basseyes wrote:

So we should just stay the course?

You’re finally getting warm. Anything you said after that doesn’t matter.

WE DONT GET THE CHOICE!!!!

We get a team that makes the owners and investors money. Once you bandwagoners and armchair GM’s figure that out, you won’t have to play GM and watch the games without worry how your 2nd line center is playing before the trade deadline. You won’t have to worry about blowing up a team and rolling the dice in the draft. You won’t have to worry about how much Suter, Parise and Koivu are making because the have no-trade clauses anyway.

If you want to go on worrying about things you have 0 control over, go right ahead. It’s your blood pressure.

basseyes wrote:

Laying an egg consistently is much different than a a couple clunkers here or there. There’s a pattern of no effort, or effortless games.

The problem is that they haven’t laid an egg consistently.

So what you’re saying biggill is we don’t know nothing so sit back and enjoy the game, win or lose?

Philly just tied the game as I sit here zombie like forming no opinions. Zen like

biggill wrote:

What the hell is leadership? What does Toews, Crosby, Ovie do that Parise and Suter don’t?

Stanley Cups
MVP Playoff trophies
Scoring Titles

Thats alot of ICE Cred

Unless of course you believe you have a Hockey Sense Monopoly and your Part of Wild Nation,(2 Members Strong) where rose colored glasses are free, blinders are encouraged and denial of the obvious is encouraged.

Woody wrote:

So what you’re saying biggill is we don’t know nothing so sit back and enjoy the game, win or lose?

Do what you want. Just don’t accuse me of drinking the cool aid, or backing wild nation like the troll on this site for simply stating the facts.

The wild are in the hunt for the playoffs. As long as that’s true, you’ll never get your wish of the big blow up. They’ll continue to draft low first rounders and hang on to tradeable assets. Parise and Suter are here to stay.

There are just as many bottom feeders that stay there as there are teams that bottom feed for draft pics and come out on top. You only make that choice when it’s the only choice to make.

5-3 Philly after 2, it’s a gong show out there…Parise mailed it in on that last goal with 5 seconds left in the 2nd period…

“Houston we have a problem!”

jeff_huberty wrote:

Unless of course you believe you have a Hockey Sense Monopoly and your Part of Wild Nation,(2 Members Strong) where rose colored glasses are free, blinders are encouraged and denial of the obvious is encouraged.

You’ve said that twice already today. What’s wrong, tired from chasing other teams bandwagons? It must be tough browsing through the box scores trying to decide who to root for. Which team are you backing this week? Or is that a game time decision?

Denial of the obvious? Please elaborate. What’s being denied and what is the obvious?