MN Wild 2017-18 Official Thread

tswoboda wrote:

Don’t forget the Burns trade… Still tough to say who won that trade, but people sure love to bring it up when he’s putting up 70+ point seasons from the blueline.

The Leddy trade is irrelavent. The only reason people bring it up is because he is from MN. I don’t think he is anything special. If anything he would have signed for a huge contract and doomed us much earlier.
The one that can habe merit for circling is burns. Right now I think we got burned in that one, but you could also blame lemaire and Richards for how they played him (forward most of the time) and didn’t really see what they had in him. Kinda like how the twins blew it on big papi.

Big Papi was too heavy to play on a concrete floor for 82 games a season. He had foot issues related to the turf at the dome. As did a few other players.

I see your point though.

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
Don’t forget the Burns trade… Still tough to say who won that trade, but people sure love to bring it up when he’s putting up 70+ point seasons from the blueline.

The Leddy trade is irrelavent. The only reason people bring it up is because he is from MN. I don’t think he is anything special. If anything he would have signed for a huge contract and doomed us much earlier.
The one that can habe merit for circling is burns. Right now I think we got burned in that one, but you could also blame lemaire and Richards for how they played him (forward most of the time) and didn’t really see what they had in him. Kinda like how the twins blew it on big papi.

I’m with Pug on the Barker trade. At least Leddy has been good enough to have only missed a handful of games the past 7 seasons. As the #3 overall pick, Barker never played a full season and bowed out of the NHL after 2013. Kind of hard to get any value out of a player when they can’t make a roster as a waiver.

I can’t think of any trade that could be considered worse than the Leddy for Barker trade. A total stinker for the Wild. It wasn’t just about Leddy being from around here, it was the fact that the Wild ended up with nothing from the deal when Cam Barker crapped out of the entire league.

Regarding the Burns trade, wasn’t his likely demands for his NEXT contract also a factor? Weren’t there reports that he fired a shot across the Wild’s bow in terms of the upgrade he was looking to make at contract time and the Wild would have had cap issues so that was a factor in the trade?

I realize there’s no perfect GM, but the Wild seem to have FAR more issues compared to most teams when it comes to botching first round picks very, very badly. Yes, this is a lot about Riseborough and a little about Fletcher, but for an 18 YO franchise, our record in the R1 when we even have an R1 pick is very, very poor.

Grouse

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

I realize there’s no perfect GM, but the Wild seem to have FAR more issues compared to most teams when it comes to botching first round picks very, very badly. Yes, this is a lot about Riseborough and a little about Fletcher, but for an 18 YO franchise, our record in the R1 when we even have an R1 pick is very, very poor.

Grouse

I don’t think it’s as bad as you think. When you start looking at individual draft classes and get a chance to see how many games players actually play you start to see a different story.

Since 2000 the Wild have 3 zeros in the 1st round: 2004 (Thelen), 2008 (Cuma) & 2013 (No Pick). 2007 was a bust with Gillies @ #16 overall. Probably could have been picked in the 3rd round. 2006 with Sheppard @ #9 probably could have been picked in the late 1st or early 2nd round. 2005 was a bit of a miss with Pouliot only because the pick was #4 overall. Pouliot was probably a mid 1st round pick. Most of all the other 1st rounders have been pretty close to their draft positions. Realistically, you’re probably 12 for 17. Not sure how that compares to other teams.

From the story o read, we lost Gabby for nothing the year before because he was injured. Burns was going to be too expensive and Fletch didn’t want to lose another asset for nothing.

mplspug wrote:

From the story o read, we lost Gabby for nothing the year before because he was injured. Burns was going to be too expensive and Fletch didn’t want to lose another asset for nothing.

this. There is always more to the story but people only look at the trade itself especially when it doesnt work.
If Coyle would play like he is capable of more often then not many would be critical of it.

CaptainMusky wrote:

If Coyle would play like he is capable of more often then not many would be critical of it.

There’s got to be a Denny Greenism in there

tegg wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CaptainMusky wrote:</div>
If Coyle would play like he is capable of more often then not many would be critical of it.

There’s got to be a Denny Greenism in there

Are you saying that nobody plays like Coyle plays when he plays?

Which currently is about once a month.

Grouse

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tegg wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CaptainMusky wrote:</div>
If Coyle would play like he is capable of more often then not many would be critical of it.

There’s got to be a Denny Greenism in there

Are you saying that nobody plays like Coyle plays when he plays?

Which currently is about once a month.

Grouse

Coyle just needs to play like a Calcutta Clipper.

mplspug wrote:

From the story o read, we lost Gabby for nothing the year before because he was injured. Burns was going to be too expensive and Fletch didn’t want to lose another asset for nothing.

correct, it also gave Koivu huge leverage to get his 7 year deal alot of us complain about…

Part of why Burns left was the failure of our medical staff. They claimed his concussion symptoms were caused by sinusitis and it took them six weeks to realize it was a concussion.

Regarding Leddy being “nothing special,” how many of his games have you guys saying that watched? He’s put up more points than Spurgeon every single year since he’s entered the league. Also getting paid less and misses almost no games. Not really sure how anyone can suggest he wouldn’t be a useful player for the Wild.

If I see the name Leddy, Burns or Gabby 1 more time I’m gonna lose it. Seriously, isn’t there something better to talk about?

Man, I’d rather talk about Suter, Parise or Yeo.

toothyfish wrote:

Regarding Leddy being “nothing special,” how many of his games have you guys saying that watched?

Enough to know he’s nothing special. A top 4 defenseman, but not elite.

What are the odds the wild can win a single away game in the playoffs?

basseyes wrote:

What are the odds the wild can win a single away game in the playoffs?

They’ve won 5 of last 10 on the road so 50/50 maybe? They had won 4 of 6 before the last 4.

There is no way you can convince me Marchand didn’t do this on purpose.

It’s a shame that a guy as good as him has to play dirty. He has mastered the art of accidentally on purpose. The collision was probably unavoidable, however the little hop and raking his arms and stick over his face were on purpose.

mplspug wrote:

There is no way you can convince me Marchand didn’t do this on purpose.

It’s a shame that a guy as good as him has to play dirty. He has mastered the art of accidentally on purpose. The collision was probably unavoidable, however the little hop and raking his arms and stick …

Teams need to practice the art of the second-too-late hit to deal with Marchand. Make it a 50-50 if it even gets called and then it’s a 2 minute interference.

Worst DB in the NHL but the league buys this oops I did it again crap every time.

Grouse

Marchand is a complete POS. If the league doesn’t send a clear message to him this time since he is a multiple repeat offender that is completely ridiculous. If they do not suspend him for 20 games or more then time for players to take matters in their own hands and clean his clock. Trap the rat.

Oh it was a home and home and the coach pulled beak from the lineup at the last minute? Man I hate the Bruins.

biggill wrote:

If I see the name Leddy, Burns or Gabby 1 more time I’m gonna lose it. Seriously, isn’t there something better to talk about?

Man, I’d rather talk about Suter, Parise or Yeo.

At least when the Wild had Leddy, Burns, and Gabby they were smart enough to blow it up…

So what do you guys think as we approach the season end? Some nights they look good but then totally pee the bed against Phoenix and Colorado and other poor teams. Last night, at home against the Kings, they looked good in my opinion. Quick had a ridiculous save against Parise in the waning minutes that would have sealed the deal, but that left the door open and then they scored with the goalie pulled and eventually won in OT. Kind of a heartbreaker……

I think Colorado is REALLY GOOD right now. MacKinnon is on fire. I think if the wild are at their best Colorado is tough to beat.

They haven’t showed up against Arizona but you have to give credit to Arizona for playing pretty damn well too.

I think the wild are looking pretty good at times but if they run into a hot goalie, they’re done.

at least they have 4 days to clear their heads and regain focus on the last 9 games…That lost point last night could haunt them…

I think that the Wild have been able to avoid the slump and the winning streak which will help them in the playoffs. I don’t think they have played their best hockey yet (granted I haven’t watched them a lot) and guys injured early in the year are coming on stronger now. We have our first legit goal scorer in a long time. The key now is to stay healthy.

Whoever makes it in the Central, it won’t be an easy road. I’d almost rather be the 8th seed and play Vegas.

I think we need the first wild card to play Vegas the second wild card will play Nashville. I would like are chances if we could get to play Vegas in the first round instead of Winnipeg or Nashville.

Tough loss last night against the Kings. Quick robbed Parise and then Coyle did what Coyle does best and clanked the crossbar when the Wild the needed a goal that would have put the game to bed.

The loss of Spurgeon has the Wild looking disjointed on D, but it happens when you have to switch up the pairings.

Also, the problem is that we’re in the West and even the non-playoff-contending teams are capable of playing well. There are no easy wins to be had in the West.

As much as I want to Wild to play even better, I’m not let down by this season. And hey, it could be worse. There are a lot of teams out there who have massive on-paper talent and they either can’t get any traction like Edmonton or they can’t seal the deal and get to the final like the Caps.

Grouse

how about the Dump the Blackhawks have taken this season! Watch them now win the lottery and get Rasmus Dahlen…

The loss of Spurgeon was very evident last night…Murray doesn’t belong out there…was holding my breadth everytime the play came to him…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

how about the Dump the Blackhawks have taken this season! Watch them now win the lottery and get Rasmus Dahlen…

Yes, it’ll be interesting to see when the NBA-style “Throw-a-Game” kicks in.

But as Edmonton has shown everyone, you cannot rely on #1 OALs. No matter how good they look on paper, even when these guys pan out, they don’t make a team. Also, many of them like McDavid come with flaws that you have to build compensation around. If you don’t do that, well, you’ve got yourself an Edmonton.

Grouse

Yes, it’ll be interesting to see when the NBA-style “Throw-a-Game” kicks in.

But as Edmonton has shown everyone, you cannot rely on #1 OALs. No matter how good they look on paper, even when these guys pan out, they don’t make a team. Also, many of them like McDavid come with flaws that you have to build compensation around. If you don’t do that, well, you’ve got yourself an Edmonton.

Grouse

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Not a Oil fan at all but would you rather be a team that pushes to make it to the finals once or twice every decade (2008 finals, last year 1 win away), or a team that looses 1st or 2nd round every year of their existence? Bash them all you want but last year they were closer than the Wild have ever been.

I’d also love to hear your “flaws” on McDavid. Interesting considering his fellow players and those around the game consider him top 3 players in the World right now.