MN Wild 2017-18 Official Thread

  • JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17872
    #1752899

    with all the corruption going on over there and the fact that the KHL is basically bankrolled by oligarchs, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to find out alot of shadiness to the contracts over there…

    Hopefully he doesn’t have anything (personal/family) being held over him to stay in the KHL….

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22813
    #1752922

    The article date was Nov 2017 and I couldn’t remember ever reading the quote, but I have a poor memory, that’s why I started with “not sure if this was posted before”.

    Understood. The article you referenced is a different one than I had originally seen. The original was older, but regardless it doesn’t matter how long ago it was in retrospect as I think things are headed in a much more positive direction.
    Here are some excerpts from Russo’s article on The Athletic “Milstein described the sit-downs to The Athletic as a “meet and greet to start open dialogue. Chuck talked to them about Minnesota and the team that they’ll one day be playing for. It was, this is where you’ll be playing, this is where you’ll live, this is the depth of the team, here’s where we envision you playing one day, that I think — I can’t remember the exact number — that they have 10 players 22-27 years old.

    “It was more or less a get-to-know-you meeting, and I know the kids really liked Chuck and what he had to say.””

    BTW – Millstein is the new agent.

    Here is more where it even discusses some other prospects…

    The Wild began a relationship with Milstein last month when they signed prospect Ivan Lodnia, a third-round pick this past June, to an entry-level contract well in advance of when they needed to. In those talks, Fletcher broached the subject of flying to Moscow and meeting Kaprizov for the first time because so much has been lost in translation in recent months.

    Wild brass had never been able to get in front of Kaprizov previously. At last winter’s World Junior Championships, the Wild met with Kaprizov’s agent and Kaprizov’s girlfriend because the Russian national team wouldn’t allow them to meet with Kaprizov.

    The Wild have invited Kaprizov, now 20, to development camps and were under the impression that he understood that once he fulfilled his final year in the KHL this season, the Wild would sign him and put him on their NHL roster for the 2018-19 season.

    But after Kaprizov signed a two-year extension this past summer, he was quoted in an interview with Sport-Express’ Alexei Shevchenko as saying (translation here), “They weren’t too interested in me. What round was I picked at? The fifth? I think that they forgot about me immediately after the selection. Only when I made it to the world championships they started to do something and started talking with my agent. We all seen the job the Maple Leafs did with Nikita Zaitsev. There was nothing like that with me. I want to play in the NHL. Just not now, but a bit later. At first, I need to play well here, to be more confident. Sometimes I don’t play well even here, in the KHL.”

    Milstein said he couldn’t comment why it took until now for Fletcher to finally meet Kaprizov. But now that he represents Kaprizov, “I called Kirill and said, ‘Chuck would really like to meet you,’ and he said, ‘No problem. Come out anytime we have home games.’”

    Milstein made clear that Kaprizov and Svetlakov are under contract through the 2019-20 season. While he anticipates both players will eventually come to North America, it will not happen until the 2020-21 NHL season.

    Under new KHL rules, Milstein said a player can’t buy himself out of his KHL contract or be bought out of his KHL contract without 18 months prior notice.

    “At no time did Chuck or (Kaprizov or Svetlakov) talk about a buyout,” Milstein said. “Both sides completely understand that these players are under contract in the KHL until 2020. Chuck is very respectful of that fact. They’ll come over after.”

    There is currently no transfer agreement between the NHL and KHL, so the Wild are at no risk of Kaprizov becoming a free agent. As long as Kaprizov remains under KHL contract, the Wild own his NHL rights indefinitely because he’ll be placed in defected status.

    Kaprizov captained Russia during last winter’s World Junior Championships and led the tournament with nine goals. He currently ranks 10th in KHL scoring with a CSKA Moscow-leading 36 points in 38 games and has 50 goals and 113 points in 171 career KHL games. He set an Under-20 KHL record last season with 42 points (20 goals) in 49 games for Salavat Yulaev (Ufa).

    Svetlakov, 21, a center, has 17 points in 33 games.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11646
    #1752974

    Interesting trades in the past few days. Kings send Marian Gaborik to Ottawa in exchange for Dion Phaneuf. Gaborik scored last night in his first game with Sens.

    Grouse

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1752986

    It would be cool to finally have a pair of young rooskis on the roster.

    basseyes
    Posts: 2513
    #1752987

    Screw coaches and trainers, this team needs physiologists, shrinks and quite possibly electroshock therapy on the bench. It seems they are period to period. Some game’s it looks like they had hookers and booze waiting if they win or they had that between periods and are to unfocused and tired to tie their skates. It’s either all out awesome or brutally bad. They’ll make the playoffs and Shirley hope something changes this bipolar team and they take the right medication. If it’s one and flop, something other than a coaching change or weak trade tit for tat needs to be made.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22813
    #1753035

    I honestly do not understand some of the expectations people have on this team. Literally they have the best home record in the NHL, yes, all of the NHL. They have one of if not the best record since December and people are calling for a lobotomy? Seriously, look at what the team has done and what those around them have done. If you really watch hockey you cannot complain too much about where the Wild are at this point. Yeah there were stretches early on where They lost ground but the last 3 months no way. The expectations by some are completely unrealistic.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1753038

    Blow it up coffee

    )

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22813
    #1753065

    Watching US play OAR and greenway could help the wild right now. He looks like a man amongst boys out there and that is against guys from the khl.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17872
    #1753073

    Kaprizov is sort of a Ciccarreli/Hull type of player in terms of his ability to find open ice in the dirty areas, he’s always moving to get open with his stick in the shooting position. He’s also really good on the boards for a smaller player and really doesn’t get pushed around much…

    Greenway is just a beast, plays alot like Bertuzzi, just needs to work on his hands and quickness (obvious for a guy his size)

    But i’m impressed and excited for them to join the Wild, Greenway will get signed right after the tournament.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22813
    #1753077

    I agree Joe. It was fun to see both of those prospects in the same game. Greenway was fighting off 2 Russians in a scrum around the net. He is strong.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1754120

    Kucherov did it again.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1754149

    Dumb…

    Slabhunter
    Posts: 83
    #1754157

    I honestly do not understand some of the expectations people have on this team. Literally they have the best home record in the NHL, yes, all of the NHL. They have one of if not the best record since December and people are calling for a lobotomy? Seriously, look at what the team has done and what those around them have done. If you really watch hockey you cannot complain too much about where the Wild are at this point. Yeah there were stretches early on where They lost ground but the last 3 months no way. The expectations by some are completely unrealistic.

    Expectations are (and should be) that we can go deep into the playoffs which really is all that matters…and we have not done that under Fletcher…I am hoping we can do that this year and if not IMO it would be wise to make major changes…8yrs to get us past the 2nd round is not expecting too much…the 1 and dones are pathetic…MN deserves better.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1754168

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>
    Dumb…

    Only if it didn’t work. -P

    He’s 3 for 3 with it this year. Twice on Holtby, granted once was the All Star game. Once in a shoot out against Buffalo.

    basseyes
    Posts: 2513
    #1754191

    Expectations are (and should be) that we can go deep into the playoffs which really is all that matters…and we have not done that under Fletcher…I am hoping we can do that this year and if not IMO it would be wise to make major changes…8yrs to get us past the 2nd round is not expecting too much…the 1 and dones are pathetic…MN deserves better.

    Agreed.

    Nobody really wants to nuke the team, but the team has a proven track record. Seven more years of this? No thanks, I’ll pass. Even if it means not making the playoffs for a five years. I’m sick of this team’s core group and acting like this team can get past their mental lapses. The clock is ticking and time is running out for the trinity of aging almost good players. Pushing a decade and a half of almost good enough will suck if we stay this course.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22813
    #1754292

    Even if it means not making the playoffs for a five years. I’m sick of this team’s core group and acting like this team can get past their mental lapses. The clock is ticking and time is running out for the trinity of aging almost good players. Pushing a decade and a half of almost good enough will suck if we stay this course.

    No way would I support that, missing the playoffs for 5 years in the hopes, that after it we would be primed? Anything can happen in the playoffs.
    In 5 years our young guys will almost be past their prime. Guys like Zucker, Granlund, Nino. I suppose you want to get rid of all of them too not to mention the Koivu’s (contract will have expired by then), Parise and Suter…
    There will be enough roster change over in the next couple years merely because of expiring contracts. I don’t expect Ennis around very long, we are going to see some D moved with young guys like Soucy coming up. Kunin and Greenway should certainly crack the lineup, which will force out guys like Winnick, obviously Cullen is done after this year.
    True the Wild have faltered, 3 of those times were against the Hawks who were no doubt the better team. I think if we could get home ice advantage again it would make all the difference this year.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1754301

    It’s easy to say that when the last 5 years you have made the playoffs. I wonder what people would say after 5 years of missing the playoffs?

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17872
    #1754614

    hopefully Nash sits out tonight to save him for the trade deadline…Wild have a great opportunity to build some confidence with a road sweep…

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1754833

    hopefully Nash sits out tonight to save him for the trade deadline…Wild have a great opportunity to build some confidence with a road sweep…

    And take over 3rd place an the central. Hockey in June here we come!

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1754893

    That central division race is going to be a fun one. The title is still up for grabs for 5 teams. And Colorado still could make a push for a playoff spot, although it’s probably unlikely.

    And Yeo’s team is slumping whistling

    Tom schmitt
    Posts: 1014
    #1754929

    My expectations are for this club to make a meaningful run every year. Blowing the team up isn’t an option until the ageing players contracts expire because that is where the no trade clauses are. Trading granlund, zucker, neideriter, and dumba won’t get you better players they’ll just be different players. We will have to lose ennis, winnick, and Cullen just to be able to resign zucker. So lets hope thegiys in Iowa are ready to come up.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17872
    #1754967

    Wow! Kaprizov put on a show in the gold metal game, 3 assists including the game winning goal in overtime! I’m pretty sure he led the tourney in scoring or at least top 3. These next two years are gonna be tough to wait!

    Hopefully with the added exposure of scoring the golden goal, Russian legends like Bure, Fedorov will get in his ear a little more and tell him to get to the NHL…

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11646
    #1755257

    Saw a terrific game last night vs the Sharks.

    When this Wild team plays a full 3-period game, they are tough as nails. You guys saying to do a NY Rangers style blow up of this team, I have to wonder what you think you’re going to get by doing that? Like the Wild becomes a team like the Pens if you do this? Come on.

    The Wild have resumed what made them successful in the past. Tight D and being dangerous across multiple lines. The Sharks were floundering on D last night because their #2 and #3 D parings could not handle the Wild’s opposing lines, so Cullen burned them. The oldest active player in the league burning you on a breakaway shows thier D was totally overmatched and it was breaking down constantly. Only the stand on head goaltending kept the Sharks in it even after a 2-0 lead.

    What can you say to do Staal justice? He’s on FIRE. He can’t be stopped right now. And Grandlund is the #2 best setup man in the NHL. He could have had a 4 assist night last night were it not for supurb goaltending keeping the Sharks alive. He is so dangerous when dealing the puck.

    Overtime was Party Time last night. You could see the Wild were feeling it and they were not going to be denied. Bruce has installed a much better system and you can see the combination of backing off to allow changes and the “D first” strategy is paying off.

    Joe, I totally agree. The Kaprisov kid is coming along. Let’s just remember though that this Olympics was more like good minor NHL hockey. Lots of fading pros on the Russian side, but they still needed OT to beat the Germans (!) so I don’t think we lose anything by letting Kaprisov get 1-2 more years of seasoning in the KHL.

    Also, there doesn’t seem to be any experts out there laying out what are the rules for KHL contracts and what really can/can’t happen when it comes to buyouts. Can he or can he not be bought out early? Under what terms? Lots of question marks. Can the Wild get him before 2020?

    Grouse

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17872
    #1755260

    Russo again confirmed with his agent that he must finish out his KHL contract, so the 2020 season (baring a NHL lockout) he’ll be in a Wild jersey.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1755266

    You guys saying to do a NY Rangers style blow up of this team, I have to wonder what you think you’re going to get by doing that? Like the Wild becomes a team like the Pens if you do this? Come on.

    I only say that when they lose. coffee

    zooks
    Posts: 922
    #1755267

    Kaprizov is signed in the KHL through the 2019-2020 season. The link is behind a paywall but Russo confirmed that the KHL rules state that a player cannot buy himself out or get bought out in the last 18 months of a contract so he’s likely staying in Russia until his contract expires and the earliest he’s come over is 2020-21 season.

    https://theathletic.com/253369/2018/02/25/kirill-kaprizov-minnesota-wild-olympics-russia-gold-medal-goal/

    Agree with Grouse about not needing the full blow up. I would guess they’ll do something in the summer (a Coyle and/or Ennis trade is most likely IMO) but this is still a good, deep team that is getting refreshed by young players they drafted and/or developed. The Central is gonna be the toughest division on the NHL for at least the next 3-4 years, best you can do is give yourself a chance to get 100+ points every year and hope you catch some breaks in the playoffs.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11646
    #1755277

    Trade Deadline is today. Some moves so far that impact the West:

    The Winnipeg Jets have acquired Paul Stastny from the St. Louis Blues. St. Louis gets a 2018 first-round pick, a 2020 fourth-round pick and prospect Erik Foley.

    Is this the Blues GM giving Mike Yeo a vote of no confidence and throwing in the towel on the 2018 season? Seems like Yeo & Co are riding a bit of an ill-timed 6 game slump here. Golly, I get this freaky-deaky deja vu feeling…

    I don’t see the Wild anywhere on the ticker today, buying or selling.

    In sad news, I saw Jordan Staal’s baby daughter has died. Very sad.

    Grouse

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1755293

    Stewart claimed off waivers.

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