Minnesota Vikings 2019 Season Thread

waldo9190 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dan wrote:</div>
They tried, they got the best option available at the time (I’m assuming there will be a “what about Case?” follow-up to this). And it really isn’t working that well. They have a lot of flaws and he isn’t losing games single-handedly, but we did kind of pay him to win them, and they’re not.

I think a big thing that a lot of people maybe took for granted (myself included) was the intangible affect Keenum had on the rest of the team. At the time we signed Cousins, he definitely looked like a more well rounded QB on paper, but he just doesn’t have that fire that Keenum seemed to show during big spot moments. Keenum would be visibly fired up; ready to go punch the other team square in the mouth, and the team rallied around that. How many times does Cousins have to stand at the podium after a loss with the “golly gee, I really need to play better,” attitude?

At this point it seems Cousins has lost the confidence of the rest of the team (reasonably so), and save for a miraculous 8-0 run moving forward here, I don’t see a way in which he can earn that back.

I have to agree with this. Cousins may be more talented, but Keenum might have been the better fit for this team. Hindsight is 20/20.

Cousins had the deer in the headlights look before and after the game. Wife thinks he plays better without the beard….

-J.

Jon Jordan wrote:

Cousins had the deer in the headlights look before and after the game.

Never a good look. LOL

lindyrig79 wrote:

I have to agree with this. Cousins may be more talented, but Keenum might have been the better fit for this team. Hindsight is 20/20.

Keenum played like he was having fun! (And I assume he was) That stuff rubs off on other players. Can’t coach fun.

-J.

I absolutely applaud the Vikings for going for it. They felt that Keenum had a career year, but the rest of the team was ready to compete for a super bowl, they opened up the checkbook and signed the guy they thought was going to make it happen.

It sucks when it doesn’t work out, but it sucks even more when you have a front office unwilling to try(*cough* Twins *cough*).

The good news is that the contract will be over next year, so we haven’t completely mortgaged our future with the signing.

I’ve liked Zimmer most of the time, but it might be time to get a different leader in here. We have way too many skilled dudes on the offensive side of the ball for us to get shut out consistently on the road. Last year we had games against the Bears(x2), Seahawks, and Patriots where our offense was completely atrocious. Unacceptable in my opinion.

This prediction from June is looking plausible. Detroit will not be a cake walk either.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/06/20/ouch-nfl-analyst-says-vikings-will-go-5-11-this-season/Prediction

-J.

1) The Vikings almost NEVER play well at Soldier Field. They’re like 3-12 there the past 15 years or something and one of those wins was in 2007 when Adrian ran for about 250 yards.
2) The Bears spotted us injuries to Akeem Hicks, Roquan Smith, Taylor Gabriel, and Mitch Trubisky (on the first drive) and they STILL held the Vikings to 6 garbage points.
3) The season is not over yet. 4 games in, 2-2 does not mean the sky is falling. They still got those 2 teams at home in a couple of crucial December matchups. The leader in the division is only 1 game ahead. Jump ship if you want to. If this team rattles off a bunch of wins, we aren’t going to throw you a life jacket.

Zimmer was out Zimmered.
Maybe Cousin’s gets a bonus for hitting 9-7.

gimruis wrote:

1) The leader in the division is only 1 game ahead.

Correction: The LEADERS in the division. All of the other teams in the division lead the Vikings

Extremely questionable rumor mill has the Vikings in contact with the Patriots in a Stefon Diggs deal :(.

I’m pretty excited as the Patriots have a history of getting fleeced in trade deals. Wait what’s that? Oh, sorry, I meant the Patriots have a history of totally fleecing other teams in trades.

Brady for Diggs + Cousins, who says no?

philtickelson wrote:

Extremely questionable rumor mill has the Vikings in contact with the Patriots in a Stefon Diggs deal :(.

That is a stupid rumor. The Patriots couldnt make room under the Cap for Diggs without some other significant changes and that is IF they would convert all of Diggs’ salary to signing bonus which would make it over $2MM, but they only have $1.2MM in Cap space.
People on social media are just dumb. Because an athlete posts “God has a plan” or some emoji that suddenly means he has asked to be traded? Give me a break.
The guy who “broke” the story has a history of predicting outlandish stuff and only 1 actually came true, but it was not a shocker either.

Like a lot of Vikings fans I’m finding myself getting over Diggs. None of us will ever forget that catch against the Saints but I’m getting sick of him as a player. He publicly b$%&#ed after the Raiders win about not getting the ball much when it’s fairly obvious that outside of Dalvin Cook no one on this offense is going to put up gaudy numbers.

Plus, just with the eye test, it seems this guy is checking out if it isn’t about him. During Sunday’s game I saw a play an obvious example of him taking a play off because it wasn’t going to him. Then on another, as Kirk was talking in the huddle, Diggs just took off way early and left. I thought “this had better not be a run that he’s not really involved in, because he just made that very obvious” and sure enough, it was. And due to work and driving home I probably saw less than half that game, so that’s limited sample size.

There are way more diva-type receivers in the league but Diggs certainly has his moments. Seems like a cool guy but he needs to put in more effort when he’s on the field if he’s not getting the ball and stop with the subtle comments.

I think Diggs and Thielen have legitimate gripes. I’d rather keep them and ship Zimmer.

There is no doubt that Diggs and Thielen have legitimate cause for concern given the performance of the QB thus far. I hope that if this season does wind up pear-shaped and changes are in order, that any personnel changes will include front office staff.

If you have a WR on your team, and he’s not getting the ball often, and he’s completely ok with that, he’s not right in the head. I would want every guy on my team to want the ball as often as possible. And if they feel like it’s not enough, say something about it.

Vikes are toast this season. 5 – 11 at best. Cousins stinks and Zimmer is starting to have an odor.
They had there chance a couple years ago and took a dump as usual. Vikes M.O. is they will need another 8 to 9 years before they can take another run at it so that gives me time to build another lawnchair.

Simmer down. In 2017 we started 2-2 and finished 13-3, in 2016 we started 5-0 and finished 8-8. 2 road losses to the Packers and Bears shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone, they are both good teams and tough at home. We can easily overcome that by beating them at home, where we are tough to beat. Sure the offense and Cousins played poorly, and we could/should have won both, but there’s 3/4 of the season left to go determine how good they really are. Also, Diggs is a diva, that shouldn’t be new news to anyone either. He gets 10 for 116 and 2 TD’s this weekend and he will be signing Kirk’s praises.

I get all the responses above to a good player wanting the ball but as I said this goes beyond that. As I mentioned Diggs is taking plays off and tipping plays with his lack of effort. Add in the fact that he’s missing practice and wanting a trade and, in my opinion, this is not OK.

BigWerm wrote:

Simmer down. In 2017 we started 2-2 and finished 13-3, in 2016 we started 5-0 and finished 8-8. 2 road losses to the Packers and Bears shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone, they are both good teams and tough at home. We can easily overcome that by beating them at home, where we are tough to beat. Sure the offense and Cousins played poorly, and we could/should have won both, but there’s 3/4 of the season left to go determine how good they really are. Also, Diggs is a diva, that shouldn’t be new news to anyone either. He gets 10 for 116 and 2 TD’s this weekend and he will be signing Kirk’s praises.

People sure do love to jump ship don’t they. 2-2 with both losses on the road against legitimate playoff teams does not mean the sky is falling

gimruis wrote:

People sure do love to jump ship don’t they. 2-2 with both losses on the road

Im pretty sure its not the fact they lost last week its how terrible they looked doing it. If they played half arsed decent and lost 21-20 don’t think people would bail off the boat as fast.

Been a die hard Vikings fan all my life, just calling it as I see it.

Agreed with Jeremy, they looked terrible. Very similar to some big games last year and guess what we missed the playoffs.

The Vikings are a sh/tshow right now. Making the national news for all the wrong reasons. I sure hope they can get it together but won’t be holding my breath.

They need to win the next 4 straight to even have a decent shot at the postseason, IMO.

Ive always been a die hard vikes fan and even thought the Cousins signing was a good idea. Seriously though when are we gonna get a real offensive line its been about 20 years. If Brady was a Viking he would either be dead or never became anything cause he wouldn’t have had the chance. Every other game I watch sure teams get good pass rushes and great ones when they blitz but not every damn play. When was the last time a vikes QB dropped back and had 3 or 4 seconds without getting creamed.

JEREMY wrote:

Ive always been a die hard vikes fan and even thought the Cousins signing was a good idea. Seriously though when are we gonna get a real offensive line its been about 20 years. If Brady was a Viking he would either be dead or never became anything cause he wouldn’t have had the chance. Every other game I watch sure teams get good pass rushes and great ones when they blitz but not every damn play. When was the last time a vikes QB dropped back and had 3 or 4 seconds without getting creamed.

Not that I’m defending our offensive line by any means, but it doesn’t help that I might have better situational awareness than Cousins. Believe it or not, the great pocket QBs like Brady and Brees haven’t always had a tremendous offensive line, bulldozing defensive lineman at will. Those guys have the innate ability to sense the pressure and navigate the pocket accordingly, which is one of the things that makes them so great.

I swear some plays it seems like Kirk is wearing ear plugs, blinders, and an eye patch to top it all off.

I heard on KFAN that the advanced stats actually show that Cousins has had more than average time in the pocket so far this year. It’s like everyone here says, he has no awareness, isn’t willing to throw into coverage(also is last in throwing into tight coverage), and fumbles at a remarkable rate.

Not that you want your QB throwing up jump balls on every drop back, but that combination means a lot of sacks, fumbles, and very few momentum changing plays.

People sure do love to jump ship don’t they. 2-2 with both losses on the road against legitimate playoff teams does not mean the sky is falling
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Clearly you haven’t been a Vikings fan as long as some of us. You’ll learn that jumping ship is the only way to save your sanity.

Maybe they could come up with a Huge package deal to trade Cousins and Diggs to the same team.

I’ll say it again. Vikings should draft a QB every single year until we get a franchise guy.

Great game last night, Rams at Seahawks. Good battle back and forth with two good QBs. Vikings have a zero chance of winning up in Seattle this year. You can mark that game an L already.

lindyrig79 wrote:

I’ll say it again. Vikings should draft a QB every single year until we get a franchise guy.

Great game last night, Rams at Seahawks. Good battle back and forth with two good QBs. Vikings have a zero chance of winning up in Seattle this year. You can mark that game an L already.

You mean like they did by drafting T-Jack, Tyler Thigpen, John David Booty, Joe Webb, Ponder, and Bridgewater?

blank wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>lindyrig79 wrote:</div>
I’ll say it again. Vikings should draft a QB every single year until we get a franchise guy.

Great game last night, Rams at Seahawks. Good battle back and forth with two good QBs. Vikings have a zero chance of winning up in Seattle this year. You can mark that game an L already.

You mean like they did by drafting T-Jack, Tyler Thigpen, John David Booty, Joe Webb, Ponder, and Bridgewater?

Keep drafting. But, maybe put someone else in charge