Mille Lacs Reg Update 2024 – Sort of

  • Aboxy17
    Posts: 433
    #2256333

    I was out on the pond the last three weekends. Crazy how quiet it was out there. The south end for sure had some crowds at times but I was fishing the Northwest side and every time I was out I saw 4-5 other groups max from where I could see. These fish were very unpressured for the majority of the winter. Contrary to the report of underfed/skinny fish you can see from the pictures it is quite the opposite actually. Every fish I caught was very well-fed. I caught less perch than typical for me this year but there usually isn’t lots of small perch on the mud anyways. The lack of pressure this season definitely did not hurt the fishery.

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    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11834
    #2256346

    Zero reports of skinny undersized fish.
    The DNR is saying the population dipped by 10 percent. What they don’t say in the article but say at the meetings is the metrics they use have a 10-30 percent variance in error.

    So basically they are feeding everyone BS to lower a number that has NOT been hit in 4 years.

    This co management is clearly not working. No new news there.

    Aboxy17
    Posts: 433
    #2256372

    Got it, Thanks for the clarification. Got a chance to read through the info a little more. Wondering what is in it for them to do a full shutdown Instead of catch and release?

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17844
    #2256377

    Wondering what is in it for them to do a full shutdown Instead of catch and release?

    Unexpected shutdowns are the worst. They’ve had to do it before and the overwhelming response was that a planned shutdown that is announced ahead of time is way better. Basically, people want to know its coming months in advance so they can plan for it.

    Generally, they do a shutdown in the first half of July when water temps are the warmest. The reason is to reduce mortality (which is a whole different topic itself). During a shutdown you cannot specifically target walleye and live bait is banned. In other words, even if its catch and release, its contributing to the quota because of hooking mortality. The thought behind closing it in July is that it will have the greatest impact on reducing mortality.

    I don’t personally think there will be a planned closure when they release the new regs in March, but I could see them not allowing any harvest of fish based on their recent communication of the subject. You can also expect another season-long night ban.

    Joe Jarl
    SW Wright County
    Posts: 1976
    #2256428

    “We’re going to pump the brakes a little bit this year so we don’t have to take more drastic action later on,” said Brian Nerbonne, DNR regional fisheries manager.

    Not to conflate subjects, but this reminded me of “2 weeks to flatten the curve”. About the same junk science behind both.

    It is nice to see Target Walleye and the Lindner’s not holding back.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11899
    #2256432

    Not to conflate subjects, but this reminded me of “2 weeks to flatten the curve”. About the same junk science behind both.

    Amen!

    It is nice to see Target Walleye and the Lindner’s not holding back.

    x1000!!!! Anyone heard from MN Fish….. rotflol rotflol rotflol

    During a shutdown you cannot specifically target walleye and live bait is banned. In other words, even if its catch and release, THEY MAKE UP NUMBERS BY SAYING IT IS contributing to the quota because of hooking mortality. The thought behind closing it in July is that it will have the greatest impact on reducing mortality, WHICH AGAIN IS MADE UP NUMBERS BASED ON THE SAME BAD SCIENCE AS BAROTRAUMA.

    Fixed it for you in bold and capital letters Gim!

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17844
    #2256434

    Lol I knew you’d chime in on this.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11899
    #2256435

    Lol I knew you’d chime in on this.

    Haha well of course, I’ve read the studies and talked to the DNR’s own scientists, who agreed with the flaws in the hooking mortality studies. They are basically the same issues (hoop nets, lack of a baseline etc.) as the barotrauma ones that Wiebe pointed out. Only difference is Hooking Mortality is only used as a management tool on one lake, Mille Lacs. For good reason, because it is junk science, but junk science is a convenient tool to have when you (the DNR) solely do the tribes bidding on Mille Lacs.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10642
    #2256441

    x1000!!!! Anyone heard from MN Fish….. rotflol rotflol rotflol

    They are officially off my Christmas card list.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11899
    #2256442

    They are officially off my Christmas card list.

    Haha and I’d put previous Christmas card(s) next to your Championship Parade chair!

    Buffalo Fishhead
    Posts: 302
    #2256456

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
    I’ve read the studies and talked to the DNR’s own scientists, who agreed with the flaws in the hooking mortality studies. They are basically the same issues (hoop nets, lack of a baseline etc.) as the barotrauma ones that Wiebe pointed out. Only difference is Hooking Mortality is only used as a management tool on one lake, Mille Lacs. For good reason, because it is junk science, but junk science is a convenient tool to have when you (the DNR) solely do the tribes bidding on Mille Lacs.

    Could you post the links to those studies so we can read them?

    Thanks.

    Buffalo Fishhead

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11834
    #2258368

    The DNR said twice as many fish were harvested this winter vs last. rotflol

    You can’t even make this stuff up anymore.
    This co-management is such a joke.

    Tom schmitt
    Posts: 1018
    #2258419

    If twice as many fish were harvested with half the fishing pressure it can only be one of two things.
    One, fishermen got way better at catching fish or two there isn’t enough baitfish in the lake to feed the fish.

    I really doubt we got that much better at catching fish, especially considering that from the trips I made it seemed to be a complete night bite.
    If the lake is short on baitfish a better solution might be to remove some of these eating monsters, before they deplete the baitfish population to the point of cannibalism.

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17844
    #2258420

    If the lake is short on baitfish a better solution might be to remove some of these eating monsters, before they deplete the baitfish population to the point of cannibalism.

    That concept does make sense, but the double edged sword with that is the bigger ones are the females responsible for recruitment in the lake. Removing mature females would inhibit natural reproduction (even though the tribe does it, I know).

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11899
    #2258442

    Sorry I missed the study request until now @BuffaloFishhead. You may need to reach out to the authors/DNR directly for the whole study, but the summaries are available online. It’s also important to note these studies all utilized the same hoop nets as used in the barotrauma study.

    Rainy Lake: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02755947.2011.623759

    ML: http://www.afspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02755947.2011.557944

    P4: http://www.afspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02755947.2011.571490

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11834
    #2258474

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Tom schmitt wrote:</div>
    If the lake is short on baitfish a better solution might be to remove some of these eating monsters, before they deplete the baitfish population to the point of cannibalism.

    That concept does make sense, but the double edged sword with that is the bigger ones are the females responsible for recruitment in the lake. Removing mature females would inhibit natural reproduction (even though the tribe does it, I know).

    There is no double edge sword. There are plenty of of fish in the lake probably close to be maxed out and plenty females to reproduce. You don’t have one of the largest spawns on record and then worry about if there are enough fish.

    There was a fraction of the people that ice fished the lake this year compared to last.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11834
    #2258487

    If twice as many fish were harvested with half the fishing pressure it can only be one of two things.
    One, fishermen got way better at catching fish or two there isn’t enough baitfish in the lake to feed the fish.

    I really doubt we got that much better at catching fish, especially considering that from the trips I made it seemed to be a complete night bite.
    If the lake is short on baitfish a better solution might be to remove some of these eating monsters, before they deplete the baitfish population to the point of cannibalism.

    Yes we are headed in that direction again. flame

    Kris Berg
    Posts: 104
    #2260594

    Can someone please find the Tribal hook and line regulations on the Political Pond for me? I have looked and can not find them.

    ptc
    Apple Valley/Isle, MN
    Posts: 614
    #2260613

    In 1990 the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of the tribes and enforced the 1837 treaty. This gives exclusive hunting and fishing rights to the tribes. They allow us a portion of the harvest. But they are not required to.

    It puts the DNR in an awful position as they really don’t have any authority. The only thing the DNR can do is try to keep our catch within what the tribes have allowed.

    We certainly don’t like it. But there isn’t much we can do about it.

    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/526/172/#top

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11834
    #2260739

    Can someone please find the Tribal hook and line regulations on the Political Pond for me? I have looked and can not find them.

    Pike, walleye, smallmouth 10 a day any size.

    Musky 2 a day 40in min.

    OG Net_Man
    Posts: 606
    #2260810

    ptc – In 1990 the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of the tribes and enforced the 1837 treaty. This gives exclusive hunting and fishing rights to the tribes. They allow us a portion of the harvest. But they are not required to.

    I do not see that these rights are exclusive to the tribes. Can you point out where you are getting this interpretation?

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