It would seem to me this issue will solve itself after a few years.
1. If your home value is affected you can ask the county to re-evaluate it, which will lower your taxes.
2. The tax breaks that are being proposed are to assist people that make their living based on this resource, not recompense users for their inconvenience.
Shouldn’t property taxes go down, based on value ? This should be automatic and if it is not, you have a right to dispute your accessed amount at a meeting I believe ? 
No matter what, nobody wins and we all lose.
While I agree there is little moral or legal ground for private property owner’s seeking relief. I do find it odd that so many people are up in arms about them pursuing tax relief, when the we currently fund the BIA federally with a staff of over 8,000 full time employees and a budget in the BILLIONS, with an S as in more than 1 billion. The private property request wouldn’t even be one months interest on their current budget. I tried to find more MN related BIA info, but for some reason that is very difficult to locate…?
The notion of a tax break for lakeshore residents on Mille Lacs Lake is pure idiocy. Enough of this foolishness already…RR
X2. And Ben summed it up pretty decent too. The only dog you have in this fight has one eye and three bad legs.
What, are you going to pull up roots if a walmart goes up at the end of your long street and people see land values drop a little? As others have alluded to: land values around that lake are greatly inflate for selling purposes.
Why not put your energy into finding a way to fund the relief package for those who need it. Maybe contact your senator and/or representative in Washington and ask them to support a bill cutting of funds supporting the tribes that net the lake since they don’t need to buy food and prefer an all natural diet….suggest they use the tribes’ welfare payments to help support people who will seriously need it?
Got a house on Millac’s shoreline? Quit whining. Lots of people would love a home there. Go fishing. Perch are just as tasy as walleye. You have a trophy smallmouth and muskie water right in front of you and northerns abound too. You aren’t crippled so you don’t need a tax break. The mere suggestion of one for the private sector around that damned lake is nothing but greedy.
I guess you’ll just have to settle for the world class smallmouth and muskie fishing now :(. I would say your fishing ‘opportunities’ vastly exceed about 98% of other lakehome owners in the state.
One of the problems you see commonly see from lakeshore owners is the belief the lake is their private property. Hence, you see someone trying to create an argument comparing fish/game management regulations to restrictions on what furniture you can place on your lawn.
Simply put, Lakes are PUBLIC water. Home/Yard ownership is PRIVATE.
Personally, I think the biggest problem with Mille Lacs is too many people only see the Lake as a walleye destination. If you’re going to see it as a “One Trick Pony”…. Live by the walleye. Die by the walleye.
we as private property owners deserve tax breaks as much as the area businesses do.
I have a feeling the business owners might see this differently. If tax relief was given to homeowners whenever properties were adversely affected by poor decision making…
Tax breaks for business owners is meant to offset loss of earnings. I’m not sure what tax breaks on private homes would offset, the inability to Walleye fish? And how much relief? $100, 50%, 100%? And like someone else mentioned the money has to come from somewhere. Would a $500 tax break make not being able to walleye fish the next four months ok?
There are people working multiple jobs just to put food on the table and get by and people with lake homes want to pay lower property taxes cause they can’t Walleye fish?
Seriously ? Unreal !! I’m not going any farther and will not follow any more of this post, good luck
Personally, I think the biggest problem with Mille Lacs is too many people only see the Lake as a walleye destination. If you’re going to see it as a “One Trick Pony”…. Live by the walleye. Die by the walleye.
Exactly. Instead of the blame game, I’d say look at the places that once had the one-trick-pony problem and then changed their business to solve it.
At one time, the Brainerd Lakes were viewed in much the same terms as Mille Lacs – a fishing destination. Now, I’d say Brainerd area resorts are known as much for golf and for being family fun destinations as they are pure fishing.
Look at the western ski areas like Aspen, Vail, Jackson Hole, etc. Those towns used to be ghost towns in the summer, they were all but totally shut down. But with highly variable winter seasons, the owners had to figure out how to get income out of the resorts year-round.
So they added golf, mountain biking, concert events, conventions, motocross races, and other things to make themselves attractive as summer vacation destinations as well. I read a while back in a biz magazine that some of the bigger resorts now make more money during the summer than they do during the winter and it’s more profitable because operating costs are lower for the summer season.
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Brian,
we have a time limit to when we can fish. 0600 to 2200, from 2200 to 0600 if you want to be on the lake, you must remove ALL fishing tackle from the boat. If the DNR made a rule that the river was only open to catfishing from 0600 to 2200, only because they couldn’t manage the river properly. Flooding is a natural disaster and isn’t a good comparison.cw,
what if the city you live in told the people on your block, you can’t use your yard from 10:00pm until 6:00am, campfire must go out and all lawn chairs must removed from the lawn. The only thing you can do in your yard is walk through it, you can’t even have a beer in your hand.
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The lake is not YOUR yard. The lake is a public thing – and to complain that you can not use YOUR lake that YOU bought property on reminds me a lot of the Christmas Lake association members whining about THEIR lake…..
This whole thread smells of trolling IMO.
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Your analogy of not being able to use your yard doesn’t make any sense, people own there yards, you don’t own the lake, no matter what you think tom. Most parks are closed for the same hours, and also make it so you can’t access the lake they are on. So I think a lot of people have it worse than you, at least you can go muskie fishing, some people can’t use the lake they want at all over night.
Jeez, when the people living on the lakes the DNR decides to drain to improve water clarity catch wind of this…
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Personally, I think the biggest problem with Mille Lacs is too many people only see the Lake as a walleye destination. If you’re going to see it as a “One Trick Pony”…. Live by the walleye. Die by the walleye.Exactly. Instead of the blame game, I’d say look at the places that once had the one-trick-pony problem and then changed their business to solve it.
Yep, just like investing, don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
People…How many lakes in Minnesota can you go to where there is a sign that says “NO WALLEYE FISHING”? This has nothing to do with building a GD theme park in Isle, Mn. You are overthinking the problem at hand…RR
Timmy, the DNR said I can’t troll……for walleyes
mr tickelson, like you always hear at the landings, you should have been here yesterday, well in the case of the smallmouth, you should have been here 10 years ago. Not until the lake was featured on a local fishing show with a smallmouth approaching a state record. Very few people fished for them, or even knew they were in the lake. Today, due to the increased pressure, the average size smallmouth has gotten smaller and catch rates have dropped. It was fun when you would have a 20 incher on the line and have 5 or 6 the same size or bigger following it to the boat. That is what I call world class, today, way better than average but not as good as it once was.
Your analogy of not being able to use your yard doesn’t make any sense, people own there yards, you don’t own the lake, no matter what you think tom. Most parks are closed for the same hours, and also make it so you can’t access the lake they are on. So I think a lot of people have it worse than you, at least you can go muskie fishing, some people can’t use the lake they want at all over night.
I understand that it isn’t MY lake. If every house on every street was taxed the same, there isn’t a problem. The state is charging me a premium rate for living where I do and I gladly pay that premium rate. Over the last decade or so, because of gross mismanagement on the states part, there ha e been increased rules and regulations implemented to no avail, even after people in the know said it won’t work and predicted the same outcome as where we are today. All I would like to see is, if the business owners get relief, the private lake shore owners should get relief also. It may be a dog with only 3 legs, but in my eyes, he has a disability and should be covered under the Americans with disabilities act and get preferential treatment.
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Jeez, when the people living on the lakes the DNR decides to drain to improve water clarity catch wind of this…
Hilarious!!
So if a new lake gets infested from whatever and property values go down, everyone should get a tax break because the lake is less desirable.
The resorts and what not bought the places and operate them to make a living and create a locate economy. Someone else already said that this is good for a community so I would get into that part.
You bought your house for a place to live in, not turn a profit allowing you to live.
They are two very different uses of the land.
The state is charging me a premium rate for living where I do and I gladly pay that premium rate.
Is the State charging you a premium to own lakeshore property or is the County and Local Municipalities? The local governments may receive assistance from the State but your property taxes are levied by the local governments and used for things like school districts, snow plow budgets, Sheriff’s Office, etc, etc.
You may pay more by choice to have lake shore property, but I bet your tax base has absolutely nothing to do with the ability to fish for walleye. When I first came across this thread, I thought you were kidding, I never imagined someone could honestly type what you have. Good luck with your endeavor.
I understand where you are coming from Tom, it shows how passionate people are for this lake and I’d be proud of that.
The government, big and small, screw people everyday. If we start wanting them to pay up on those mistakes we would never get anywhere.
I wish you luck, kind of.
I feel the frustration you have. My farm has been victim of the CWD crap we have here in wi. By all means, our DNR screwed the pooch on that one…in addition to all the greedy hunters that felt they should fill every free anterless tag they got.
Then to pour salt on my wounds, mother nature screwed me even worse. Multiple winters of heavy snow and layered ice. The turkey population has been more than decimated. I guide on my property, but I don’t own the free ranging wildlife.
I’ve encountered the property value drop and laugh hard at the adjusted property taxes. Lower the value and Jack up the mil rate. Counties will not reduce their spending budget, so we all have to pay more.
I could see your point if they grossly affected the lake itself. Generally the values are more on lakefront property and the amount of tax paid is high. But you still have beautiful sunrises, sunsets, boating activity, ice skating….
I’m viewing this similar to our residence and resort owners on Lake Tomahawk, here in NE wisconsin. They declared a 5 year no kill on walleyes. So do we react to the short term inconvenience or the long term solution?
Yep, just like investing, don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
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Just like it?….Only if the SEC mid year said “no more using stocks only bonds and real estate”.
I have a nice cabin on ML and I feel like I should be compensated. My expectation is that I will have a check in my mailbox by 5pm for 1 million dollars.
That seems like the least you can do for me. thanx
Yep, just like investing, don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
Just like it?….Only if the SEC mid year said “no more using stocks only bonds and real estate”.
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If people in the know knew the outcome would be what it is today then why didnt they pack up their things and move along quite some time ago?Then there wouldnt be a need for tax breaks,heck there may even be walleyes yet to have a season on.The people in the know have made their money and helped contribute to the demise of a resource that belongs to everyone.Now that this resource is gone the public should continue to prop them up? I know,I know it was the government that caused the demise of your lake(dnr,state,courts,indians).No need to worry Im sure they will fix everything good as new
If people in the know knew the outcome would be what it is today then why didnt they pack up their things and move along quite some time ago?Then there wouldnt be a need for tax breaks,heck there may even be walleyes yet to have a season on.The people in the know have made their money and helped contribute to the demise of a resource that belongs to everyone.Now that this resource is gone the public should continue to prop them up? I know,I know it was the government that caused the demise of your lake(dnr,state,courts,indians).No need to worry Im sure they will fix everything good as new
Huh? Your saying the resort owners should have packed up when the indians were given the right to net? That could be the weirdest (…and that is being kind) comment I have ever read on this site…RR
its not the netting, but lets keep the fantasy alive, right? Also, lets stock it next spring! That has no basis in science either, but it makes a good headline. No netting=more walleyes! stocking=more walleyes!! yay, that’s fun.
its not the netting, but lets keep the fantasy alive, right? Also, lets stock it next spring! That has no basis in science either, but it makes a good headline. No netting=more walleyes! stocking=more walleyes!! yay, that’s fun.
Not the netting….interesting. Must be climate change then, because we all know Mille Lacs has it’s very own climate. It’s a 30-40 square mile climate that doesn’t affect any other nearby lake or area. I think it’s funny that lakes around Brainerd or even closer lakes like Farm Island aren’t having all this climate change destruction. Go figure….
Arguing the tax break for the local homeowners is a joke. Sorry- home values fluctuate everywhere that’s the risk of being a homeowner… no tax breaks for the millions that bought with adjustable rates… why for lake home owners?
BUT- arguing a tax break for the BUSINESSES that have profited for many years off of state funded walleye stocking and the Tribal netting for profit is even worse. No winners here fellas. Businesses profited and did not save $ as a homeowner is expected to for the DOWN TIMES, now the lake declines and “we” bail out the businesses but leave the homeowners to scrounge for food (best I could come up with). NO BAILOUTS…. SIMPLE. why bail out the business owners and not the lake home owners????? Business profits FLUCTUATE EVEN WORSE THAN HOME VALUES DO! Neither deserve any bailout, the DNR deserves job turnovers at the highest level period. Fix the problem instead of band aiding it like every other band aid the government wastes our money on.
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