Mille lacs area businesses

biggill wrote:

They even ceased netting for one season. Is that incorrect?

This is not correct.

-J.

biggill wrote:

And why are we avoiding these places?

biggill…I cannot answer for “we”, but I can answer for “me”.

Tradition. Why would I go to the old Meleens for bait/gas when I have always gone to Lundeen’s, Tutt’s, or Johnson’s Portside. Why would I go to the Marathon for gas when I always get it at the Holiday in Garrison or the Junction.
Why would I go to Eddy’s for a burger and pay twice as much for less burger than Rocky Reef. Why would I rent ice house from there when my tradition has always been other outfits like Mac’s, Red Door, Lyback’s, The Wharf.

The extent of my gambling goes no farther than meat raffles, so why would I go to the casino? Plenty of my “traditional” establishments have frequent, fun meat raffles.

Do you get the picture?

Jon Jordan wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>
They even ceased netting for one season. Is that incorrect?

This is not correct.

-J.

Jon is correct that it is not correct.

Jon j. My thoughts exactly. Now getting back to the list… the old ozzies land in isle. And rumor has it j and j’s resort in wahkon

Correct, the old Ozzies land is now owned by the tribes. Formally a spot where many guys parked while accessing the Soo Line ATV trail. This is now NO PARKING!! NO TRESPASSING! Area. If you are towed or broken into, the local police can do nothing for you.

-J.

Jon Jordan wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>
They even ceased netting for one season. Is that incorrect?

This is not correct.

-J.

Wasn’t there a season six-ish years back where ice out happened after opener which kept the nets off the lake.

I remember fishing the City Auto Glass Walleye Classic on Vermilion that year and the ice went out Thursday or Friday after opener. We weren’t sure if we would be ice fishing the Walleye Classic when we started pre-fishing it.

They were netting through cut holes in the ice. There were also areas of the lake were netting was going on while the main sheet of ice was still moving shore to shore. This caused them to lose nets full of fish. Only to be snagged by anglers weeks later. It was a disaster.

-J.

biggill wrote:

I’m all for boycotting corrupt organizations but we need to make sure its justified and isn’t on a racial basis.

I’m curious as to what you think is “corrupt” about the Mille Lacs Band and how they operate?

It appears to me that while many don’t like the rights that they have successfully asserted under the various treaties, being it was the US Government that signed these treaties, I find it more than a little unfair (and ironic) to label the Indians as the “corrupt” ones. Especially considering the vague nature of many of the treaty elements was only because no one in the US Government at the time of signing cared because they never intended to honor them anyway.

The fact that the Indians have gambling in Minnesota while State tightly restricts others from opening gambling operations is down to the Minnesota government, not the tribes. We could have casinos everywhere within a few months if our elected representatives allowed it.

By all means, use or don’t use any business you want. But let’s call this what it is, it’s politics, not corruption. I personally think the state is giving away millions in revenue because of a Victorian anti-vice mindset, but I don’t consider the Indians to be corrupt for walking through a door that our own US Government left open for them.

Grouse

Please don’t suggest that I called the tribes corrupt, you made that assumption.

I guess corrupt wasn’t the correct word. Maybe immoral?

Anyway, I’m not the one using assumptions and hearsay to form an opinion against the Mille Lacs band.

I personally think crap like this is dragging our own reputation through the mud and we all come off as racists to the rest of the state.

Grouse, one of the best responses yet. I may not agree with what they do, but there is nothing illegal about it. It is wrong to accuse someone of wrong-doing if what they are doing is allowed by the government officials we elected.

Do I patronize any of those establishments? No, but not based on race. I base my decisions on the overall well-being of the area and supporting the little guy is how I feel it’s best suited.

Grouse, Arnie Carlson signed away the rights to non-native casinos when they allowed the bingo to come in which led to the casinos.

Everybody not born 10 minutes ago knows the pro’s and anti views on Mille Lacs. We can hash it over again if everybody wants to but it always will (and should) come down to nets and the DNR’s unwillingness to be transparent in dealing with the bands.

404 ERROR wrote:

Grouse, one of the best responses yet. I may not agree with what they do, but there is nothing illegal about it. It is wrong to accuse someone of wrong-doing if what they are doing is allowed by the government officials we elected.

Do I patronize any of those establishments? No, but not based on race. I base my decisions on the overall well-being of the area and supporting the little guy is how I feel it’s best suited.

Well said. There are many places that do not break laws which I choose not to frequent. It never has, nor ever will have anything to do with race. I haven’t been in a McDonalds in over 5 years. I don’t gamble or go into legally run casinos. I watched a large chain gas station move into a rural area and make short work of a few ma and pa stops where people would offer advice, clean your windshield, or offer to pump your gas. I don’t fuel up at that chain station.

I also don’t agree with how certain resources are managed by the area tribes. I therefore would go out of my way (only slightly) to spend my money elsewhere. Call it politics, capitalism, choice, stupidity, whatever you may.

One of the problems with the Mille Lacs debate is this. The people who believe the Bands are 100% right want to bait the other side into making it about race. Because some of us believe the lake has been mismanaged and the DNR slinks around behind our backs making backroom deals. Because of that we must be racist. How they come to that conclusion is as shortsighted as saying the Mille Lacs issue is caused ONLY by over harvest.

IMHO there are two sides. Those who think Mille Lacs is a mess and are concerned about straightening it out. And those who are tired of the whole thing or know nothing about it but must toss their 2 cents in.

I will tell you this. If anybody is TRULY interested in learning what happened from a locals point of view the DOCUMENTATION is out there. This isn’t rumors or I heard it from my neighbor so it must be true. This from people who live on the lake and have since day 1 of this fiasco.

Anyway, this thread will end the same as the last 50 like this have so i’ll check out now.

You’re absolutely right dutchboy, it’s not about race. The problem is that 75% of the people in this state think it is.

So you think this really helps?

Until Jon replied with justification, this was a racist thread.

I haven’t spent $1 in a tribal owned business in over 10 years either. I try to keep that to myself in a public forum because I’m ashamed of the implications.

biggill wrote:

I haven’t spent $1 in a tribal owned business in over 10 years either. I try to keep that to myself in a public forum because I’m ashamed of the implications.

No need to say where you wont go. Say where you do or will go, and no further explanations needed.

404 ERROR wrote:

I base my decisions on the overall well-being of the area and supporting the little guy is how I feel it’s best suited.

Such is why we love Barnacles..

The fact that the Indians have gambling in Minnesota while State tightly restricts others from opening gambling operations is down to the Minnesota government, not the tribes. We could have casinos everywhere within a few months if our elected representatives allowed it.

Could this be because of the Prior Lake Band lobby ?…
More than one band/tribe has tried to get into the MPLS/STP market?

This tread is soon to be deleted !!!!’

Plenty of great places around the pond, and you don’t even need to step foot or spend a Nickel in anything owned by the tribe. It’s sad seeing some of the good ol’ mom and pop places going out of business and getting snatched up. There’s a lot of history in that neck of the woods.

Racist….there is a term that went away for a long time and brought back about ….lets see….2008 :???::???:

Those who read a thread and immediately go to the the “this is racist” card… are the true racist. They need to try to accuse others of it , to try to distance themselves from that which actually enters their mind immediately, they can’t help it. It is exactly what the party which started the KKK does. There are plenty of Native Owned business’ that we all shop at, knowingly or not… I love going to Famous Dave’s…. the fact that I won’t spend at the Mille Lacs Band owned business’, is a conscious decision I make, based on nothing about race… I won’t step foot in Walmart either, haven’t for over 17 years… what is my motivation there ? Does it matter or is it racist ?

biggill wrote:

I haven’t spent $1 in a tribal owned business in over 10 years either. I try to keep that to myself in a public forum because I’m ashamed of the implications.

What implications would that be? Almost seems your bullied into taking action where you may feel indifferent.

This is all this thread is bullying, Everyone has their right to an opinion, be it passive aggressive way of the op, but what it really comes down to it these threads have an agenda looking for an audience.

huskerdu wrote:

Could this be because of the Prior Lake Band lobby ?…
More than one band/tribe has tried to get into the MPLS/STP market?

Sure, it could be, but it isn’t. Why would a rep from anywhere else but Prior Lake care what the tribe down there wants or doesn’t want? If they felt it would benefit their constituency, I can’t see why they would care about waht Prior Lake wants.

I wasn’t talking only about licensing a tribe to operate gaming off-reservation. They state of MN licenses all kinds of gambling, run by all kinds of organizations. It could be expanded to include casinos anywhere at the stroke of a pen.

The objection to gambling is mainly down to a Victorian-era mindset that gambling a) is a sinful vice in itself, and b) attracts other nefarious forms of vice like organized crime, drugs, prostitution etc, etc, etc.

It’s just like selling liquor on Sunday. The mindset back in the last century carried over year after decade after decade.

Grouse

I have avoided the whole place for years now just because it seems like such a mismanaged mess. Before that I made it a point to go there once a year or so. Fishing, snowmobiling, etc. Too many other places to go that dont have baggage. I feel bad for those with ties. Hopefully it improves.

suzuki wrote:

I have avoided the whole place for years now just because it seems like such a mismanaged mess. Before that I made it a point to go there once a year or so. Fishing, snowmobiling, etc. Too many other places to go that dont have baggage. I feel bad for those with ties. Hopefully it improves.

In reality it is not much of a mess at all. It’s the news media and social media that has created that perception more than actually exists.
Unless you are set on keeping walleyes, the experience and enjoyment of the lake and surrounding establishments is not much different than it used to be.

The fishing can be phenomenal at times and an afternoon at the Harbor Inn or a Castaways meat raffle is just as lively and entertaining as it was before the current situation.
Having a place there, I certainly have ties but still consider myself fortunate. I wouldn’t trade it for anything else.

Man I have begun to dread this time of year when all of these threads start up. I am not taking sides, but I just get tired of all the negative talk. Fishing is supposed to be fun. I do it to escape all of the political crap in the news every day. My hope is that all of this work on the big lake will allow the walleyes to come back hard and we can get back to having fun.

biggill wrote:

They even ceased netting for one season. Is that incorrect?

Their propaganda wing made a huge deal of their announcement that they would only net for ceremonial purposes, but plenty of video exists of them harvesting well beyond that. There’s also video of the “enforcement” where the tribal CO literally hasn’t got the slightest clue what he’s talking about, no one is counting anything and it just looks like a really sad joke. The mainstream media refuses to cover the actual events, they simply read the announcement they are given and pass it on as fact.

queenswake wrote:

Man I have begun to dread this time of year when all of these threads start up. I am not taking sides, but I just get tired of all the negative talk. Fishing is supposed to be fun. I do it to escape all of the political crap in the news every day. My hope is that all of this work on the big lake will allow the walleyes to come back hard and we can get back to having fun.

Oh there’s fun to be had. Some people just choose to focus on the negative. My family had a lot of smiles on the pond this winter again…….

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Those kids get more air time then the Vikings.

Dutchboy wrote:

Those kids get more air time then the Vikings.

Sorry if everyone is sick of pictures of my boys.

No, thats a group to be proud of! You are doing a good job dad.