Mille Lacs Angler Survey

  • biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1700010

    Enjoy!

    Mille Lacs fishing through Tuesday, May 31

    Factors

    High catch rate continued
    Higher fishing pressure than last year
    Temperatures were low
    Walleye

    State anglers
    Harvest & hooking mortality: 13,684 lbs. (5,261 fish) ice fishing through March 19, 2017

    Hooking mortality estimate: 2,086 lbs. (843 fish) May 13-31, 2017

    Released: 174,529 lbs. (76,019 fish) May 13-31, 2017

    Tribal fishing total: 13,886 of 19,200 allowed lbs. (7,013 fish)

    State angler total: 15,770 of 44,800 allowed lbs. (6,104 fish)

    http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/millelacslake/creel.html

    IceNEyes1986
    Harris, MN
    Posts: 1358
    #1700022

    It will be interesting to see what their “estimate” is for this month of June.. whistling

    tegg
    Hudson, Wi/Aitkin Co
    Posts: 1450
    #1700026

    If my math is correct it looks like they accounted for approximately 1% hooking mortality during the May 13-31 time frame (843 fish of the 76019 released). I am curious how that changes for warmer June temps.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1700071

    If my math is correct it looks like they accounted for approximately 1% hooking mortality during the May 13-31 time frame (843 fish of the 76019 released). I am curious how that changes for warmer June temps.

    Interesting point. To be exact it was 1.1%. Last year for the same period it was 0.7%. WTH???? I’ll just go ahead and try to assume it’s much more complicated than that. crazy

    Here are last year’s hooking mortality rates per period. According to their numbers.

    June 1-15 – 2.2%
    June 16-30 – 6.7%
    July 1-15 – 12.4%
    July 16-31 – 18.6%
    Aug 1-15 – 18.1%
    Aug 16-31 – 13.7%
    Sept 1-15 – 6.6%

    IceNEyes1986
    Harris, MN
    Posts: 1358
    #1700115

    Here are last year’s hooking mortality rates per period. According to their numbers.

    June 1-15 – 2.2%
    June 16-30 – 6.7%
    July 1-15 – 12.4%
    July 16-31 – 18.6%
    Aug 1-15 – 18.1%
    Aug 16-31 – 13.7%
    Sept 1-15 – 6.6%

    HOLY!! Up too 18%!?!? shock Wow.. I know the water warms up but they’re telling me 1 out of 5 fish don’t survive!? I call BS…

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1702991

    Report June 1st through June 15th.

    Walleye

    State anglers

    Hooking mortality estimate: 5,349 lbs. (2,177 fish)

    Released: 128,300 lbs. (56,354 fish)

    Tribal fishing total: 13,886 of 19,200 allowed lbs. (7,013 fish)

    State angler total: 21,119 of 44,800 allowed lbs. (8,281 fish)

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1702993

    For those of you keeping score that’s 3.8% hooking mortality.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1703675

    Through June 30th. Big jump. 10K lbs this period.

    Walleye

    State anglers
    Hooking mortality estimate: 10,650 lbs. (3,999 fish)

    Released: 176,461 lbs. (71,344 fish)

    Tribal fishing total: 13,886 of 19,200 allowed lbs. (7,013 fish)

    State angler total: 31,769 of 44,800 allowed lbs. (12,280 fish)

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1703676

    6% but a huge number caught. Seems fishy to me. I suppose the last 7 days of the season will yield the last 13K.

    fishinfreaks
    Rogers, MN
    Posts: 1172
    #1703686

    So who are they surveying to get these numbers? I’ve been up there 8 or 9 times. Not once have I been surveyed.

    IceNEyes1986
    Harris, MN
    Posts: 1358
    #1703726

    Through June 30th. Big jump. 10K lbs this period.

    Walleye

    State anglers
    Hooking mortality estimate: 10,650 lbs. (3,999 fish)

    Released: 176,461 lbs. (71,344 fish)

    Tribal fishing total: 13,886 of 19,200 allowed lbs. (7,013 fish)

    State angler total: 31,769 of 44,800 allowed lbs. (12,280 fish)

    Fortunately, the water temps stayed low, keeping the percentage lower than I expected. As of Sunday, it was still in the low 70’s. Next weeks weather won’t help much in that aspect but, at least it looks like we’ll get August to fish Walleye again. I highly doubt, with lower than average water temps, that we’ll hit the 13k mark. But who knows with the DNR’s formula.. coffee

    So who are they surveying to get these numbers? I’ve been up there 8 or 9 times. Not once have I been surveyed.

    I’ve been wondering the same thing. I haven’t seen a creel guy since the second weekend in January..

    Kyhl
    Savage
    Posts: 749
    #1703770

    I’ve been wondering the same thing. I haven’t seen a creel guy since the second weekend in January.

    Which means they are probably using the wrong weight again. doah

    That calculates out to 2.6lbs per fish. That is on the light side of the fish I’ve seen this year. At a 3lb average, we would be at 36,840lbs. Since the smallest walleye I’ve seen in my boat this year was 15″. A majority were 17″+. I’d say their average weight is too low.

    Add in the 4th of July week and we are probably close enough to the limit to warrant the season not opening again until 12/1.

    beardly
    Hastings, Mn
    Posts: 477
    #1703799

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>IceNEyes1986 wrote:</div>
    I’ve been wondering the same thing. I haven’t seen a creel guy since the second weekend in January.

    Which means they are probably using the wrong weight again. doah

    That calculates out to 2.6lbs per fish. That is on the light side of the fish I’ve seen this year. At a 3lb average, we would be at 36,840lbs. Since the smallest <strong class=”ido-tag-strong”>walleye I’ve seen in my boat this year was 15″. A majority were 17″+. I’d say their average weight is too low.

    Add in the 4th of July week and we are probably close enough to the limit to warrant the season not opening again until 12/1.

    Actually thought all along the lake wouldn’t reopen. In the article from the DNR (http://news.dnr.state.mn.us/2017/07/05/reminder-mille-lacs-walleye-fishing-closed-from-july-7-27-2/) it states that the reason for the closure is happening “when fish are most vulnerable to stress from warm water and high fishing pressure,” said Don Pereira, DNR fisheries chief. Wouldn’t August have higher water temps? And, what constitutes high fishing pressure on Mille Lacs anymore? With the way the bite was, and their flawed calculations I hope no one is surprised when/if it doesn’t reopen… but, I’ve been wrong before.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12339
    #1703824

    So who are they surveying to get these numbers? I’ve been up there 8 or 9 times. Not once have I been surveyed.
    I’ve been wondering the same thing. I haven’t seen a creel guy since the second weekend in January..

    The way the creel survey works, is they have 7 clusters/regions of the lake, that they survey at random times. And they base it off of the # of boats returning to the dock (not a count of trailers or attempts to count the boats on the lake), and what (species, how many and how big) those boats caught (not any online report either). This gives them the # of angler hours and approx pounds of fish caught, which goes into the formula for % that died based off the water temp.

    munchy
    NULL
    Posts: 5103
    #1703909

    So who are they surveying to get these numbers? I’ve been up there 8 or 9 times. Not once have I been surveyed.

    I’ve been surveyed a couple times(including today) during the summer, never the winter though. Unfortunately I’m the guy bringing the (Smallmouth) numbers down… redface

    I talked to the lady today for a few minutes and it sounds like she travels around the lake stopping at random accesses. Counts the trailers in the lot, gets a few surveys, then moves to the next one.

    IceNEyes1986
    Harris, MN
    Posts: 1358
    #1704025

    Has anyone heard how their hooking mortality study went last summer with the test nets? I can’t seem to find any info..

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1705965

    Here’s the numbers for July 1-15th.

    Walleye

    State anglers
    Hooking mortality estimate: 14,927 lbs. (5,252 fish)
    Released: 165,783 lbs. (62,781 fish)

    Tribal fishing total: 13,886 of 19,200 allowed lbs. (7,013 fish)

    State angler total: 46,696 of 44,800 allowed lbs. (17,532 fish)

    Looks like about 8.3%.

    Kyhl
    Savage
    Posts: 749
    #1706247

    Great. So by the end of the fishing season we will be way over. Saw a few floaters out there last weekend. No doubt from incidental catches.

    We snagged a few accidentally while trolling for pike over the weekend.

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    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1708325

    Here’s the numbers for July 1-15th.

    Walleye

    State anglers
    Hooking mortality estimate: 14,927 lbs. (5,252 fish)
    Released: 165,783 lbs. (62,781 fish)

    Tribal fishing total: 13,886 of 19,200 allowed lbs. (7,013 fish)

    State angler total: 46,696 of 44,800 allowed lbs. (17,532 fish)

    Looks like about 8.3%.

    Am I reading this correctly that they say we killed 12,271 walleyes this year by hooking mortality? 5,261 of the 17,532 were from the winter I think.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12339
    #1708328

    Am I reading this correctly that they say we killed 12,271 walleyes this year by hooking mortality? 5,261 of the 17,532 were from the winter I think.

    Yup.

    Here’s the numbers for July 1-15th.
    Walleye
    State anglers
    Hooking mortality estimate: 14,927 lbs. (5,252 fish)
    Released: 165,783 lbs. (62,781 fish)

    They also estimated there were 165,783 pounds of fish caught and released from July 1-15. Walleye season closed July 7th, as a reminder…

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1708330

    WOW, I have seen a few floaters(mostly tulibee) but over 12,000 walleyes floating around…

    I am on the lake every weekend usually 3 days. This is either not true or my vision is a lot worse than I thought. The darn seagulls would weight 25lbs if they had that much fish to eat.

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1708341

    WOW, I have seen a few floaters(mostly tulibee) but over 12,000 <em class=”ido-tag-em”>walleyes floating around…

    I am on the lake every weekend usually 3 days. This is either not true or my vision is a lot worse than I thought. The darn seagulls would weight 25lbs if they had that much fish to eat.

    I was up there all of last week and saw a few floaters as well. Tullibees also, but the water temp was about 75-76 degrees. So no massive die off of them.
    Although it is my opinion that the DNR #’s are exaggerated, keep in mind that not all walleye that die from hooking mortality or other causes float to the surface. There is also a percentage that sink to the bottom and feed the crayfish.

    IceNEyes1986
    Harris, MN
    Posts: 1358
    #1709390

    Finally found a little info on last years Hooking Mortality Study.. 4th Paragraph down..

    http://www.dl-online.com/outdoors/4307672-mille-lacs-reopens-walleye-fishing-aug-12

    Mille Lacs reopens to walleye fishing Aug. 12

    By Brad Laabs on Aug 7, 2017 at 8:56 a.m.
    The Mille Lacs Lake drama continues.

    The walleye season was closed on July 21 this season after being open for catch and release only. It will be reopened to walleye fishing August 12 and remain open for catch and release only through the Labor Day weekend and be closed again starting September 5.

    It will remain closed to walleye fishing again from September 5 until November 30. It will continue to be open for fishing for all other game species. Only artificial baits will be allowed for targeting other fish, except sucker minnows over 8 inches. The large sucker minnows are able to be used by anglers chasing northern pike or musky.

    Anglers that have fished the lake for walleyes last winter, and when it was open this summer, have been impressed with the quality and quantity of walleyes present in Mille Lacs.

    All range of sizes and year classes seem to be present. The Twin Cities Walleye Unlimited helped the DNR conduct a catch and release mortality study on the lake last summer. The survival rate has been found to be considerably better than the previous formulas used for determining catch and release mortality for estimating harvest rates. Members of the advisory group that are involved in advocating for anglers and resorts, and providing input to the DNR in helping make decisions about the lake, are confused and angered by the limited seasons and harvest limitations.

    The BASSMaster “Angler of the Year” tournament will return again this September after incredible smallmouth fishing success on Mille Lacs last year. The smallmouth fishing is world class.

    The attention from last year’s tournament has brought many smallmouth anglers to the area, but has not made up the difference the area businesses have been used to for the many years of successful walleye angling the lake has been known for. The musky fishing on the lake also continues to show itself to be one of the best in the state, but those anglers have been coming for years of known musky success and the slight increase does not come close to touching the number of anglers that used to fish the lake for walleyes.

    The lessons learned from the crisis’ at Upper Red, Leech, Winni, and now Mille Lacs may have a hand in helping management for all walleye waters around the state. In our area, the slots on the Pines and Lida have helped those fisheries.

    Large bodies of water that are known quality walleye waters in our area that receive a lot of fishing pressure, like Cormorant, Pelican, Rush and Ottertail, will need not only the wisdom of the DNR for management, but good stewardship practices from us as anglers practicing “catch and release” and “selective harvest.”

    By the way, add Rush Lake to the growing list of AIS (Aquatic Invasive Species) infested lakes, as zebra mussels were recently discovered there. Remember to do your part and clean, drain, and dry after every trip … no matter what lake you are leaving.

    So will their calculations change to match what they observed next year? coffee

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6117
    #1709392

    Walleye re-opens Aug 11 at 6:01 am coffee

    -J.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 17315
    #1709394

    I will say this yet again………….nothing changes that isn’t first given a blessing by GLIFWC. They control the strings for the puppet known as the Minnesota DNR.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1709460

    July 16-31

    Walleye

    State anglers
    Hooking mortality estimate: 1,203 lbs. (358 fish)

    Released: 9,336 lbs. (2,977 fish)

    Tribal fishing total: 13,886 of 19,200 allowed lbs. (7,013 fish)

    State angler total: 47,899 of 44,800 allowed lbs. (17,890 fish)

    Approximately 12.9% this period.

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