Midsize SUV/Crossover

There are no American cars.

Problem is even though they are American companies they all out source the parts and some assembly out of country. And then there is that nasty habit of hiding the money off shore so as not to pay taxes.

But hey……I buy American every chance I get.

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mojogunter wrote:

Whatever happened to the buy american crowd? That is all I heard growing up in a union house. It seems to me with all the chest thumping that many here should have fallen into that group on this page. That is unless you are talking about an outboard then forget about that mentality and buy a Yamaha. Not quite as many on the Toyota bandwagon as the Yamaha, but plenty never the less. Just curious what happened to that movement? It would seem it isn’t on anyone’s political agenda any longer so it isn’t important anymore, unless you drive a German car. They (the German car manufacturers) are evil.

I posted about this awhile back lookinf for clarification on what it even means to buy American. Got some interesting answers, some defensive replies, some accusations that I was trolling. One person told me I should be ashamed of myself. All in all interesting thread though. Think its titled ‘buying american made.’

My opinion – there is no such thing as American made anymore. Not just cars but everything. Might say made in USA but some part of it involved labor or supplies from outside. Anyhow this will likely derail the thread entirely and I do enjoy a good truck thread.

My wife has a 2018 Traverse, and we absolutely love it. Tons of room, quiet, and great power and fuel mileage. We get 28-29 mpg on the freeway, and 30-32 mpg at 55-60 mph. Thats with turning AWD off. Had a Equinox before it, that was a horrible vehicle. V6, No power, small, noisy, did I say no power, horrible fuel mileage, about 27 highway, and forget about running the air when going up a steep hill. Used to actually turn the air off when going up steep hills. Only kept that vehicle about 9 months, and when we were in for a oil change, told them to keep it, and bought the Traverse on the lot.

mojogunter wrote:

Whatever happened to the buy american crowd? That is all I heard growing up in a union house. It seems to me with all the chest thumping that many here should have fallen into that group on this page. That is unless you are talking about an outboard then forget about that mentality and buy a Yamaha. Not quite as many on the Toyota bandwagon as the Yamaha, but plenty never the less. Just curious what happened to that movement? It would seem it isn’t on anyone’s political agenda any longer so it isn’t important anymore, unless you drive a German car. They (the German car manufacturers) are evil.

Most Toyotas are built in the US…

mojogunter wrote:

Whatever happened to the buy american crowd? That is all I heard growing up in a union house. It seems to me with all the chest thumping that many here should have fallen into that group on this page. That is unless you are talking about an outboard then forget about that mentality and buy a Yamaha. Not quite as many on the Toyota bandwagon as the Yamaha, but plenty never the less. Just curious what happened to that movement? It would seem it isn’t on anyone’s political agenda any longer so it isn’t important anymore, unless you drive a German car. They (the German car manufacturers) are evil.

When I was looking for a truck last year this is the list I was given ranking how “American Made” trucks were:

10) Chevy Colorado
9) Chevy Silverado
8) Ford F-150
7) Ram 1500
6) Honda Ridgeline
5) Toyota Tundra
4) GMC Canyon
3) GMC Sierra
2) Toyota Tacoma
And the most american made truck
1) Nissan Titan

check out the thread i made on this subject around this time last year. covers a range of opinions on American made. I pointed out the Toyota is more made in America than most America trucks as an example and got some interesting replies. I would have to go back and read but if i recall most argued that, while yes the tundra is assembled here moreso than other “American” made trucks, they wanted to support an American company that hired American engineers and designers ect.

Not sure if the link will work but here is it

Buying American Made

But the majority of the profits go overseas don’t they? Granted labor is here, but profits and most likely the supply chain is purchased overseas as well. People can and will justify anything to themselves. I’m not in the exclusive buy American crowd, but so many say buy American. Move manufacturing jobs back from China. I guess as long as it isn’t made in China all is well. Just seems overly hypocritical to me.

Though I enjoy reading the back and forth banter about American, not American, here, there, this that and the other thing, I’m hoping this thread doesn’t get locked up.

I’d like to keep my chickens all in one coop if possible. Perhaps a new thread could be created to discuss these issues?

Anyway, if anybody else has had experience or knows somebody with experience buying from online dealers and would be willing to share like Merican Eagle, I’d certainly appreciate it!

Thanks.

Study out today.

https://www.american.edu/kogod/research/autoindex/2020-auto-index.cfm

HRG

I want to thank everyone for the feedback that was offered. In the end I went with a 2019 Durango GT Plus with 30 miles on it. Absolutely loving it thus far.

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nice weekender! Sharp looking rig. i drove a Durango for about 3 years. Enjoyed it. course that was a 2006 so not really the same. Does your have the 5.7 Hemi?

Like the color! Cool vehicle

I have a edge pulsar performance chip in my 17 ram and I would really suggest that in the Durango. Its a stealth chip so I take it out before it goes to the dealership for stuff and they can’t read it was in there.
It gives me great fuel and power plus eliminates the stupid cylinder shut downs and always keeps all 8 going

crappie55369 wrote:

nice weekender! Sharp looking rig. i drove a Durango for about 3 years. Enjoyed it. course that was a 2006 so not really the same. Does your have the 5.7 Hemi?

No it’s the 3.6. The R/T was out of my price range and too much of a gas guzzler to use as my commuter car. Still, the 3.6 has plenty of snap to it, car has lots of room, is comfortable and quiet. Looking forward to the next 200k miles.

It’s not difficult to determine what is American and what isn’t.\

Profits flowing into an American Company = American

Profits flowing out of America = Foreign

That mean’s there are only two American automakers, Ford and General Motors. Everything else is foreign.

And with regard to foreign reliability, remember that especially in the case of Japanese autos their vehicles are old. Under the skin, the Tundra is 14 years old. After all those years, they should get something right but despite this the Japanese are responsible for the largest recall in history with the Takata airbag recall, which is still ongoing.

Bottom line, if you want to keep your money working inside the USA, Ford and General Motors are where you want to look for your next vehicle.

Wife has a 2017 Traverse and we love it. Plenty of room, good power and it rides good. Will get another one when time to buy. Some Acadia’s out there with 4 cylinders I would steer away from them.

Yeah I looked at vehicles with a straight 6cyl engine only. There’s lots of turbo 4’s and turbo 6’s out there, but I chose to stay away from the turbos simply out of personal preference.