Masks

  • Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1931026

    The debate over whether liquor stores should be considered essential or not during this time is missing the point. Perhaps there should be a third category: essential, non-essential, and doesn’t have to close.

    I think liquor stores are falling into the “don’t have to close” category simply because of the nature of the business, rather than than that they’re deemed specifically essential. The nature of liquor stores is that adults (no children or teens) can buy what they’d like for spirited beverages and don’t usually congregate in the stores, spend hours there, or go in large groups. The reasons it makes sense to close places like bars, salons, tattoo shops, beauty stores, zoos, churches, and the like is because people DO go there in groups, with kids/elderly, and spend leisure time there. That doesn’t mean these places are less important than liquor stores – the terminology of essential vs. non is just easier and shorter to use.

    Sharon, I believe it does go deeper than what your trying to explain here.

    Beyond psychological and more so the physiological ramifications (dependency) being cut off would have grave repercussions.

    Especially at this time.

    ICU has another priority now.

    I’m sure that is difficult for many to understand, however it is a reality and for some alcoholism is a disease without choice. Many chronic alcoholics cannot just choose to put the drink down without an intensive treatment plan. This disease reaches back hundreds if not thousands of years.

    And if we look back at how “Prohibition” succeeded? Which it did not, it created more problems than it ever hoped to eliminate.

    And in a less extreme experience, many do find comfort and relief from the stresses and worries now (or when the world was at war) having a glass of wine or a couple beers…whatever as little “helper” in just coping. Without being an alcoholic.

    So…it’s okay to have a glass of wine now, I’m enjoying a couple beers. toast

    Netguy
    Minnetonka
    Posts: 3221
    #1931046

    I wore a dust/particle mask when I went to the grocery store yesterday morning during the hour for high risk people. A lot of masks or other coverings were being worn. I looked at it closer today and found out it’s an N95. I thought they were more high tech than that. The box has been sitting on my work bench for over 10 years. Gave one to each of my kids if they have to go to the grocery store. It’s strange to see masks in America. When I was in Tokyo, Japan in 2016 it was common whether it was for air pollution from China or people not wanting to spread germs to others.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11040
    #1931649

    My mom has been sewing my wife and I cloth masks (both in healthcare). At first I told her thank you but they don’t really do anything to protect us. Which I felt bad about and quickly thanked her for her efforts. However I do see more value in wearing them over our regular surgical masks. Keeps some of the crap off of them and you can wash the cloth ones.

    Yesterday she dropped a couple more on our front porch but she actually used a vacuum cleaner filter in between the two layers of cloth. I’m not sure how much can get past a vacuum filter but one would think it would offer a lot more protection that just cloth. The only issue is creating a good seal. Thought they were interesting.

    belletaine
    Nevis, MN
    Posts: 5116
    #1931658

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
    What is essential about liquor stores

    What isnt essential about liquor stores? waytogo

    There is concern over the hundreds (hundreds?) Of thousands of people detoxing and the strain it would put on medical staff.

    belletaine
    Nevis, MN
    Posts: 5116
    #1931662

    Maybe this has been covered, I skimmed. People need to swallow their pride and do what it takes to stay and keep others safe.
    It’s a month or so out of our lives.
    I can see how it could spread extremely easily.

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1931673

    she actually used a vacuum cleaner filter in between the two layers of cloth

    Gotta be careful with those vacuum bags as some have real fine fiberglass in them. Neighbor is a vacuum sales and repair specialist and he said today that the bags will be the next shortage we see. He mentioned the fiberglass in some of the different brands so just a little heads up.

    DTW
    Posts: 298
    #1931678

    I found the mask I need to learn to sew!!

    EDIT: I hadn’t see the post right above yet. That’s just bad timing. 🤦‍♀️

    Make it even more funny!

    tomr
    cottage grove, mn
    Posts: 1289
    #1931679

    I tried to donate them earlier, I was told they only wanted sealed packages.

    I have about 30 masks that I bought around the first of the year and now I feel guilty having them. I was going to donate them but I have dug a few out of each box to give to family and friends so that the package is open, so I guess I can forget about donating.

    Coletrain27
    Posts: 4789
    #1931683

    These look like nice masks

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    mnrabbit
    South Central Minnesota
    Posts: 815
    #1931738

    Everything you read says not to wear N-95 masks out in public. Well, I have a few in the toolbox that I’ve bought at Menards over the years when needed for various projects. Not my fault I bought them years ago, and now I’m not supposed to wear the best simply because I will be shamed by others for “hoarding them” from healthcare workers.

    Co-Workers wife is a Doctor, so it’s been interesting to here her perspective through him. She says the homemade cloth masks, “might not help, but they also won’t hurt anything. You should probably wear one when out in public. They definitely will not stop you from getting the virus, but they may stop you from spreading it to someone else if you are unknowingly contagious and not showing symptoms.”

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22538
    #1931750

    Being told not to wear masks in the beginning, is akin to the government telling you, don’t buy bullets, they won’t defend you, the police needs them before you.

    Angler II
    Posts: 530
    #1931757

    Being told not to wear masks in the beginning, is akin to the government telling you, don’t buy bullets, they won’t defend you, the police needs them before you.

    I think the reason for the delay was to allow the healthcare facilities to stock up.

    tindall
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1104
    #1931760

    I haven’t seen anything that suggests wearing a mask during something like this would hurt. I assume that all the messaging about them not being needed was because they saw the huge supply problems and wanted to keep them flowing to critical services. Whether they sorted it out or just don’t want to be seen as negligent down the road remains to be seen.

    I also know that lots of dudes have a used n95 or six hanging around in basements, workshops or outbuildings. For the small amount I use them for household projects I keep them unless they break, and if it keeps other people safe I’ll wear it.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18715
    #1931787

    More instructions on how to make a mask. You could use any hat..

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    ptc
    Apple Valley/Isle, MN
    Posts: 614
    #1931804

    Here’s an interesting, although not terribly promising study about masks from a credible source:

    https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2764367/effectiveness-surgical-cotton-masks-blocking-sars-cov-2-controlled-comparison?searchresult=1

    It is not really a study. The testing was done with one female and one male patient. So the sample size was insignificant.

    One key thing to remember about masks is that a very significant factor on effectiveness is fit. There are 101 different styles and hospitals stock many different varieties since no single mask will fit all of their staff well. The other factor is how well the mask is applied, i.e. how high up on your nose, how far below your chin, and how carefully you mold the metal stay on the top boarder of the mask to your nose. Each masks directions will be a bit different, but if you put a mask on and exhale strongly you can probably feel where the leaks are, then make the necessary adjustments.

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