Mandatory masks!?

Interesting coletrain, here is from the dashboard today.

Both from MN Dept of health

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Coletrain27 wrote:

Youth baseball started this week. They all can touch the baseballs but bats are not allowed to share so each kids needs there own bat…. how does that work?

About as well as eating with a mask on I suppose.
If they’re gonna take extreme measures to fight this virus, it would be nice to see them actually do it.
This pretend half way stuff doesn’t do any good.
If it’s ok to take the mask off to eat, it’s ok to not wear it in the first place.
They aren’t making a very good argument that masks should be mandatory or are even necessary at all….

I wear a mask when I go into a store. I clean my hands meticulously after handling carts, pumping gas, etc. I sanitize my hands when I leave a store. What has griped me is how all the people around us gather in parks with no distancing, most without masks. Parks are public, as are our local beaches, who’s going to police these areas?

If a mask order is going to be issued it should be done at a federal level and without exception to include, “Does not apply to facilities operated by the county, state or federal government.” , these places and personnel. This do as I say not do as I do crap doesn’t fly with me at a local level…its like pi$$ing on a forest fire.

People are mobile and move freely between Cities, Counties within Minnesota so the virus has plenty of feet to move around too. I have copd and breathing with this heat and humidity is troublesome at best for me but I wear a mask as asked to but when I go into a store like Menards who will stop you at the door if you are not masked, why do I see half of the people with the mask around their neck 2 aisles over.

If Rochester’s mayor thinks her little dictate will slow things down she’s sorely mistaken. A week in and complacency will take over and there goes the bluster. Unless she’s willing to shut down all roads into and out of Rochester at the city limits and include all federal, state and less governmental properties and employees.

The control, or containment, of the virus has to start at the top level of our government and we see how that’s working.

Tom Sawvell wrote:

What has griped me is how all the people around us gather in parks with no distancing, most without masks. Parks are public, as are our local beaches, who’s going to police these areas?

I don’t think the mask rule applies outdoors. Just my opinion, but being outside (and being socially distant) has far less risk than being indoors. I’m not talking about the crowded beaches and water parks and other outdoor gatherings we see on the news, those are just dumb idiots with zero respect for what’s going on. Requiring someone to wear a mask in their own boat doesn’t seem like it would be necessary. I often fish alone and when I go, I don’t have ANY interaction with someone other than the dog. Mandating that I wear a mask in this setting seems completely ridiculous – and I am all for people wearing them in an indoor public setting too Tom.

Tom Sawvell wrote:

If a mask order is going to be issued it should be done at a federal level

Tom Sawvell wrote:

The control, or containment, of the virus has to start at the top level of our government and we see how that’s working.

That is not how our constitution works.

munchy wrote:

That is not how our constitution works.

Yes it is

The Supreme Court of the United States, 115 years ago in a case called Jacobson vs. Massachusetts, very clearly stated that the government has something called ‘police power’ which allows it to protect the health and welfare of its people.”

In the 1905 Jacobson case, the Supreme Court ruled Massachusetts was within its rights to require all citizens to get a vaccination for smallpox.

“The United States Supreme Court has said it is reasonable to strap people down and inject them with vaccines in a time of a public health crisis. If that is true, and it is, then it is certainly reasonable and it’s certainly constitutional to mandate that people wear masks in public places,”

“Police power”

Hehehe hows that working for you poor s.o.b.’s living in the city….

Im not wearing a mask. I notice Im about the only one now in the big stores I frequent. I do take precautions but a mask is not one of them.

Deuces wrote:

Interesting coletrain, here is from the dashboard today.

Both from MN Dept of health

That ICU bed use and capacity includes non-covid care. Yesterday’s numbers showed there were 125 covid patients in ICU, so the other 900 ICU patients are in there for other reasons.

gimruis wrote:

I don’t think the mask rule applies outdoors. Just my opinion, but being outside (and being socially distant) has far less risk than being indoors. I’m not talking about the crowded beaches and water parks and other outdoor gatherings we see on the news, those are just dumb idiots with zero respect for what’s going on. Requiring someone to wear a mask in their own boat doesn’t seem like it would be necessary. I often fish alone and when I go, I don’t have ANY interaction with someone other than the dog. Mandating that I wear a mask in this setting seems completely ridiculous – and I am all for people wearing them in an indoor public setting too Tom.

After hearing her on the news and reading the article in the paper I see it as requiring masks in “any” public venue….like in parks or the beaches. We’ve got a few huge parks in Rochester where a person is not likely to encounter another person within 50 unless they make a concerted effort to close that gap. According to her I HAVE to wear a mask while inside the park boundaries. Most of this just doesn’t fall under common sense but rather the sky is falling. As mentioned, I wear a mask when I’m inside a business or having to speak with someone I do not know personally simply because I don’t know who could be a carrier…..in spite of having breathing issues with or using any sort of mask or breathing apparatus. BUT, I’m only one of about 50% of our local population that adheres to the practice. All others think they are invincible and how do you deal with them?

And as for bigpike’s slice on police power, as soon as a cop is called to deal with one of the minorities who refuse to mask up in a store it will be another newsworthy event complete with a BLM protest. Today’s police are public eunichs that carry all the hardware to appear in control. All these special interest groups have neutered the badge. My own personal opinion is that law enforcement is a fine, honorable career and its a shame that its being schnit on by society.

Right here, just wear a mask when when around other people, if your working by your self you probably do not need to wear one or if your fishing with family. But if you go to Gander or Cub just put one on to slow the spread and save a old persons life. Not that hard

canoebasser wrote:

I’ve been wearing a mask everywhere I go. Even fishing, on a boat, haha. Doesn’t bother me at all. I want to respect the person next to me, that is all. Just look at our neighbor Canada, no one complains bout masks and their numbers are way low.

Tom,
According to the third amendment to the declaration of local emergency, it only states indoor areas accessible to the public. I also saw that the city council voted and approved it by a 6-1 margin.

http://www.rochestermn.gov/Home/ShowDocument?id=28379

blank wrote:

so the other 900 ICU patients are in there for other reasons

Like gunshot wounds….

Tom Sawvell wrote:

According to her I HAVE to wear a mask while inside the park boundaries.

The official city document says indoors Tom. Not necessary outdoors in a park or other location.

suzuki wrote:

Im not wearing a mask. I notice Im about the only one now in the big stores I frequent. I do take precautions but a mask is not one of them.

What precautions are you taking, and why have you decided to not wear a mask as one of them? The way I read your post, it sounds like a stance so I’m curious why you’ve decided that this is worth taking some precautions over, but not all precautions.

Cody Meyers wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>
Im not wearing a mask. I notice Im about the only one now in the big stores I frequent. I do take precautions but a mask is not one of them.

What precautions are you taking, and why have you decided to not wear a mask as one of them? The way I read your post, it sounds like a stance so I’m curious why you’ve decided that this is worth taking some precautions over, but not all precautions.

My choices are personal and within the law. Im not sick and Im not spreading anything.

b-curtis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>munchy wrote:</div>
That is not how our constitution works.

Yes it is

The Supreme Court of the United States, 115 years ago in a case called Jacobson vs. Massachusetts, very clearly stated that the government has something called ‘police power’ which allows it to protect the health and welfare of its people.”

In the 1905 Jacobson case, the Supreme Court ruled Massachusetts was within its rights to require all citizens to get a vaccination for smallpox.

“The United States Supreme Court has said it is reasonable to strap people down and inject them with vaccines in a time of a public health crisis. If that is true, and it is, then it is certainly reasonable and it’s certainly constitutional to mandate that people wear masks in public places,”

The Supreme Court overturned the Wisc. governors stay at home order. My guess is that if ANYONE brings more of these forced measures to court, Most of them will be overturned as well. The Wisc. case set a precedence. It is not often that one supreme court has not followed other previous rulings.

Whats the big deal ? Wear it!

Don Meier wrote:

Whats the big deal ? Wear it!

Correct it’s not a big deal and won’t change outcomes, so don’t wear one.

Don Meier wrote:

Whats the big deal ? Wear it!

I implore you to wear one in 100+ degrees, 100% humidity, and zero air movement. Bet you can’t for more than 30 minutes while working with things such as heavy industrial equipment, high voltage, climbing up and down ladders, etc. I am already required to wear nitrile gloves while working, after 5 minutes they are a pool of water and lifting my arm sends a stream of water down my arm. And like I said, 90% of my day is over 100ft from anyone else, but people (including customers) can still see me and call the police.

I’ve already stated this. If you don’t want to wear a mask, you can just stay home. If you don’t want to enter a public indoor setting by virtue of the new city rule, then don’t. No one is forcing you to shop or enter one of these venues. It may actually be better if you choose to stay home too. The less people out there, the better.

fishthumper wrote:

The Supreme Court overturned the Wisc. governors stay at home order. My guess is that if ANYONE brings more of these forced measures to court, Most of them will be overturned as well. The Wisc. case set a precedence. It is not often that one supreme court has not followed other previous rulings.

The Supreme Court did not overturn the Wisc stay at home order.

b-curtis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>fishthumper wrote:</div>
The Supreme Court overturned the Wisc. governors stay at home order. My guess is that if ANYONE brings more of these forced measures to court, Most of them will be overturned as well. The Wisc. case set a precedence. It is not often that one supreme court has not followed other previous rulings.

The Supreme Court did not overturn the Wisc stay at home order.

no, but the sconnie supreme court did!!!!!!

on another note…..lookin like mandatory masks are coming to st cloud!!!!!

glenn57 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>b-curtis wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>fishthumper wrote:</div>
The Supreme Court overturned the Wisc. governors stay at home order. My guess is that if ANYONE brings more of these forced measures to court, Most of them will be overturned as well. The Wisc. case set a precedence. It is not often that one supreme court has not followed other previous rulings.

The Supreme Court did not overturn the Wisc stay at home order.

no, but the sconnie supreme court did!!!!!!

on another note…..lookin like mandatory masks are coming to st cloud!!!!!

Supreme Court is higher than a State Supreme Court. Original post was around a federal mandate. Plus I think the WI supreme court really ruled that a non-elected official can’t declare what was done. I don’t believe a state ruling would impact another state’s ruling. Seems that way with all the abortion rulings anyway.

blank wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Mr.Beads wrote:</div>
Interesting coletrain, here is from the dashboard today.

Both from MN Dept of health

That ICU bed use and capacity includes non-covid care. Yesterday’s numbers showed there were 125 covid patients in ICU, so the other 900 ICU patients are in there for other reasons.

munchy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>blank wrote:</div>
so the other 900 ICU patients are in there for other reasons

Like gunshot wounds….

I’ve heard before and was told this about those conflicting numbers. The virus really amplifies other conditions, without it being only covid. I believe coletrains stat is strictly covid cases, but that doesn’t negate the fact MN as a whole had around 250 ICU beds before covid, and covid one way or another has put many many other people in there as shown on the MN dashboard. Capacity is capacity, before covid did you ever hear the number of ICU beds being small? People want to believe that this summer is special and we now need 3x the ICU capacity bc of gunshot wounds and broken legs? Don’t think so.

Wear a mask.

Beads, where did you hear that the state only had 250 beds before covid? I had not heard that before.

I think this pandemic has proven how ill-prepared our health care system is when it comes to emergency preparedness, with the early lack of bed and ventilator capacity, and PPE supply.

gimruis wrote:

I’ve already stated this. If you don’t want to wear a mask, you can just stay home. If you don’t want to enter a public indoor setting by virtue of the new city rule, then don’t. No one is forcing you to shop or enter one of these venues. It may actually be better if you choose to stay home too. The less people out there, the better.

If you think everyone should wear a mask, you can just stay home. Your welfare is not my personal responsibility. Unless it is required by law, local municipality or private business its a moot point.

suzuki wrote:

If you think everyone should wear a mask, YOU can stay home. Your welfare is not my responsibility.

OK karen

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>
If you think everyone should wear a mask, YOU can stay home. Your welfare is not my responsibility.

OK karen

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Your the Karen. I mean Ken. I dont care what you do.

Let’s be honest Suzuki, if no one is going to enforce the mask policy, it won’t do any good. If there aren’t any cops there to stop the riots, looting, or arson, it will continue to happen. Laws and rules are only as good as the willingness to enforce them.