Looking good for Mille Lacs

  • Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10374
    #2294294

    Members of the Mille Lacs Lake citizens’ advisory panel are urging state fisheries managers to set the walleye bag limit at two fish for the upcoming ice fishing season so as to motivate more anglers to make the trip.

    At a regularly scheduled meeting Tuesday evening in Isle, most committee members who voiced an opinion said it would make sense to allow anglers to keep two walleyes in the ranges of 18-20 inches or 18-21 inches. The suggestions didn’t draw any immediate negative reactions from representatives of the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources. The agency is weeks away from announcing a decision.

    If the DNR adheres to the guidance, rules for the 2024-2025 ice season on Mille Lacs would sharply depart from a year ago. Then, ice anglers on the 200-square-mile lake were only allowed to keep one walleye 21–23 inches long or one walleye longer than 28 inches.

    The rationale for a more liberal winter regulation was laid out by the DNR at the meeting. Before inviting the advisory group to offer winter bag limit suggestions, fisheries staff presented good news about the most recent fish surveys.

    For starters, fall netting of baby fish by the DNR resulted in catches that were extremely strong.

    On Tuesday, the baby walleye catch rate was described by the agency as “phenomenal,’’ both in quantity and size. The data suggests that the class of walleyes born this year will survive the winter and the spring of 2025 in large enough numbers to become integral for future reproduction and harvest.

    Catch rates in the netting survey were also stellar for baby perch and baby tullibees – two primary forage fish for walleyes. The tullibee counts were as high as they’ve ever been, and baby perch were the second-highest on record since the special netting started about 14 years ago. A DNR official described the current class of forage fish as “hyper-abundant’’ — a dynamic that has greatly dampened the catch rate of mature walleyes this year because they’re well-fed.

    The agency’s fall netting results regarding mature walleyes also was good. Crews reported an encouraging abundance of fish longer than 14 inches and with above-standard body condition – many with visible stores of fat. Fall sampling also confirmed that the largest numbers of mature walleyes in Mille Lacs are sized between 18 and 20 inches.

    One option for winter fishing discussed at Tuesday’s meeting is for the DNR to stick with the current walleye bag limit, in effect since mid-August. It allows anglers to keep two walleyes 18-20 inches long or one fish 18-20 inches and the other longer than 28 inches.

    A couple of committee members at the meeting said many anglers were encouraged by the latest walleye regulation on Mille Lacs because it lowered the size of walleyes they can keep. They also noted that ice anglers aren’t likely to over-harvest walleyes in January and February because catchability is down.

    Several members of the advisory committee also encouraged the DNR to be more aggressive in setting walleye bag limits. Too often, they said, the state falls far short of its safe harvest level on Mille Lacs. The quota is set jointly at the outset of every year by the DNR and eight Ojibwe bands with fishing rights on Mille Lacs.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17210
    #2294300

    Wonder if we’ll get a real ice fishing season. Or will it be another fake one.

    OG Net_Man
    Posts: 580
    #2294316

    The winter harvest #’s cuts in to the 2025 open water harvest. If we have good ice conditions then Mille Lacs lake will see some heavy ice fishing pressure.

    My selfish thoughts – I prefer little to no truck travel on the lake which lowers fishing pressure. I will hope for ice conditions on Mille Lacs like last year. Send the heavy retractable wheel fish house armada further up north.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22418
    #2294317

    Along with their ca$h…. The business in the area needs an ice season.

    FinnyDinDin
    Posts: 783
    #2294327

    Just more proof the Mille lacs ‘problem’ has always been about the forage and not the harvest or nets during the spawn.

    Glad to see the forage numbers holding strong and the fishery coming back nicely.

    OG Net_Man
    Posts: 580
    #2294353

    If you would not have used the crazy meme I would not have felt the need to respond….

    I have no ill will to the businesses around Mille Lacs and not to sound too harsh but – When one starts a business focused on a lake with changing conditions due to mother nature unfortunately it is a risk that they signed up for. I surely could ramble on about the lake being a public resource but I will leave that for another day.

    In general, across the state I preferred ice fishing previous to the significant increase of participation that we have seen in the last 20 years.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22418
    #2294358

    The meme triggered you ? Sorry, I removed it. The idea that “mother nature” alone caused Mille Lacs issues, is in dispute by many. But that’s a whole different discussion.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6011
    #2294361

    When one starts a business focused on a lake with changing conditions due to mother nature unfortunately it is a risk that they signed up for.

    There are quite a few Ice House businesses and resorts that have been around long before there were any special regulations or “Global Warming”. This is perspective from someone who remembers when there were worries of a coming ice age on the news. Just sayin’.

    -J.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11564
    #2294367

    Just more proof the Mille lacs ‘problem’ has always been about the forage and not the harvest or nets during the spawn.

    Glad to see the forage numbers holding strong and the fishery coming back nicely.

    Prior to 1999 there was no problem, harvest just ebb’d and flowed like every other lake does. Mille Lacs’ ‘problem’ has been co-management, and nothing else. Unless you think the harvest history and data started in 1999 along with co-management.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11556
    #2294368

    Bingo Werm…

    Weird the lake is in great shape. Has been for some time.
    They have never listened to that committee in the past not sure they will now.
    Let’s hope they listen this time.

    FinnyDinDin
    Posts: 783
    #2294369

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FinnyDinDin wrote:</div>
    Just more proof the Mille lacs ‘problem’ has always been about the forage and not the harvest or nets during the spawn.

    Glad to see the forage numbers holding strong and the fishery coming back nicely.

    Prior to 1999 there was no problem, harvest just ebb’d and flowed like every other lake does. Mille Lacs’ ‘problem’ has been co-management, and nothing else. Unless you think the harvest history and data started in 1999 along with co-management.

    Agreed commanagement is the problem. The lake has always had a healthy population.

    When there has been a recruitment problem it is due to cannibalism due to lack of forage. Many on here blame spawn and recruitment issues on nets. Just not possible to screw up a spawn with the amount of netting that goes on a lake like Mille lacs.

    I am in way defending netting or spearing. Just made the point that when forage is healthy, everything else falls in place, nets or no nets.

    Didn’t mean to derail the thread. Good to see her doin well.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17210
    #2294370

    I generally agree with Big Werm’s post on the co-management. It doesn’t seem very transparent, especially lately.

    I will say that there are definitely factors that have altered the lake though, and some of them are out of our control. There’s no doubt that the water has become clearer as a result of upgraded septic systems and the addition of zebra mussels. As a result, sunlight penetrates deeper and allows warmer water. Both of which do not favor walleye populations, generally speaking…while definitely favoring bass populations. Certainly there also seems to be milder winters over the long haul as well. That doesn’t necessarily mean its going to be a colder and/or snowier winter than average this time around. It just means the chances of that are reduced.

    That being said, both forage and walleye populations seems fairly robust right now so the loosened harvest restrictions are justified.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11564
    #2294374

    The quota is set jointly at the outset of every year by the DNR and eight Ojibwe bands with fishing rights on Mille Lacs.

    Fixed the end of the press release. Not sure how anyone could take the DNR’s role in management seriously after the supposed harvest #’s reported from last year.

    grubson
    Harris, Somewhere in VNP
    Posts: 1608
    #2294379

    I generally agree with Big Werm’s post on the co-management. It doesn’t seem very transparent, especially lately.

    I will say that there are definitely factors that have altered the lake though, and some of them are out of our control. There’s no doubt that the water has become clearer as a result of upgraded septic systems and the addition of zebra mussels. As a result, sunlight penetrates deeper and allows warmer water. Both of which do not favor walleye populations, generally speaking…while definitely favoring bass populations. Certainly there also seems to be milder winters over the long haul as well. That doesn’t necessarily mean its going to be a colder and/or snowier winter than average this time around. It just means the chances of that are reduced.

    That being said, both forage and walleye populations seems fairly robust right now so the loosened harvest restrictions are justified.

    I don’t think it’s changed as much as some think. It’s always had clear water when conditions allow. I remember seeing the bottom in the fish house in 20-22ft of water way back in the mid nineties. I also have seen it very stirred up and dirty as recently as this past summer. The wind and run off plays more into water clarity than anything out there. Removing septic drains and adding zeebs has made a difference but not to the extent some people think.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17210
    #2294381

    Perhaps. Valid points.

    I don’t ever remember anyone specifically targeting smallmouth until about the mid 2000’s though. Never. I know I certainly didn’t. Not to say they weren’t in there, but certainly the popularity of that in the past 15 years because of clearing/warming water has been obvious.

    Justin riegel
    Posts: 937
    #2294382

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Eelpoutguy wrote:</div>
    The quota is set jointly at the outset of every year by the DNR and eight Ojibwe bands with fishing rights on Mille Lacs.

    Fixed the end of the press release. Not sure how anyone could take the DNR’s role in management seriously after the supposed harvest #’s reported from last year.

    I was going to say the same thing. there is no co-management, the DNR just sets state regulations within the parameters they are allowed by the tribes.

    OG Net_Man
    Posts: 580
    #2294383

    My original comment was concerning ice conditions last year on Mille Lacs (that was brought up by gimruis) and I stated that my selfish desire would be to repeat it this year. I think that we can agree that last years ice conditions were due to mother nature.

    I have been running portables for ice fishing as well as open water fishing this lake for 40 years and I am quite aware of the changes over the years and it’s impacts. I surely am capable of offering a broader opinion if I desired.

    Justin riegel
    Posts: 937
    #2294384

    Perhaps. Valid points.

    I don’t ever remember anyone specifically targeting smallmouth until about the mid 2000’s though. Never. I know I certainly didn’t. Not to say they weren’t in there, but certainly the popularity of that in the past 15 years because of clearing/warming water has been obvious.

    They were there in big numbers as far as i remember in the late 90s. I remember one afternoon when the wind was blowing into Indian point me and my dad caught over 100 smallies cast the shoreline and one of them was around 21 inches.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11564
    #2294387

    Here’s a link to the ML Lake Management Plan, and an excerpt of the Secchi disk (water clarity) readings:
    “…walleye, for example,
    favoring Secchi depths of 6 to 6 5 feet (Lester
    et al 2004, Hansen et al 2019)….

    A 1944 report cited Secchi depths averaging
    6.5 feet, although no reference was made
    to if this was more or less than in the past
    (Carlander 1944) Through the 1950s and 1960s,
    observations of blue‑green algae blooms,
    thick enough for boats to leave tracks, were
    reported A 1954 lake survey reported Secchi
    depths of 7 feet, and a 1981 report by the
    Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe reported a mean
    Secchi depth of 7.2 feet (J Persell and T Ware,
    unpublished) This report called for reducing
    nutrient loading to improve water quality,
    primarily through improving sewage treatment
    around the lake Water cleared through the
    latter half of the twentieth century, and from
    1988 through 1994 Secchi depth averaged
    about 8 5 feet, and since 1995 almost 12 feet”

    http://www.bing.com/search?pglt=41&q=Mille+Lacs+Secchi+disk+readings+over+time&cvid=5382280d0e5c40d08f690f5f264100d5&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQABhAMgYIAhAAGEAyCAgDEOkHGPxV0gEINzAyOWowajGoAgCwAgA&FORM=ANNAB1&PC=U531

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11564
    #2294388

    I don’t ever remember anyone specifically targeting smallmouth until about the mid 2000’s though. Never.

    Pretty close to accurate Gim, in 1999 smallmouth bass enthusiasts and some area resort owners approached the DNR to discuss protecting what they saw as an emerging trophy smallmouth bass fishery. Prior to 1984 the species never showed up in DNR assessments of the lake’s fish populations.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11556
    #2294389

    I feel like I am talking to my wife.

    My original comment was concerning ice conditions last year on Mille Lacs (that was brought up by gimruis) and I stated that my selfish desire would be to repeat it this year. I think that we can agree that last years ice conditions were due to mother nature.

    I have been running portables for ice fishing as well as open water fishing this lake for 40 years and I am quite aware of the changes over the years and it’s impacts. I surely am capable of offering a broader opinion if I desired.

    Is she a big Mille Lacs harvest enthusiast too… jester

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11556
    #2294390

    Moral of the story maybe just leave Mother Nature alone and she will take care of herself no matter who tries to mess her up.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11556
    #2294391

    Perhaps. Valid points.

    I don’t ever remember anyone specifically targeting smallmouth until about the mid 2000’s though. Never. I know I certainly didn’t. Not to say they weren’t in there, but certainly the popularity of that in the past 15 years because of clearing/warming water has been obvious.

    I have plenty of pictures of smallies from the 90’s. No reason to target them then as it was one of the most popular walleye lakes then.

    They could probably be thinned out some IMO. whistling

    OG Net_Man
    Posts: 580
    #2294392

    Some times I can’t help myself and insert my thoughts. Some times I type out a complete response and delete it with out ever submitting it…..

    My wife hates Mille Lacs. If you want to hear some one complain about the regs on Mille Lacs then you need to sit in a boat with her for a couple of hours… Which has nothing to do with my previous comment.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11556
    #2294400

    All good was just razzing ya a bit.
    Probably why I don’t bring my wife in the boat. jester

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