…just as a matter of his plans for the office he runs, he does plan on re-opening it as soon as he can. (At least this is what he has told his patients via a letter…)
He’s just waiting for the next shiny object to spark social media outrage…
cue Donald Trump
…I’d also like to add that some people’s crap they are posting on the internet about the Dr and his practice are inexcusable, vile and disgusting.
This is what makes it so much fun, I get to hate both sides. 
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>hnd wrote:</div>
it does in the scope of “dbag of the year” he may be the dbag hunter of the year (and still probably not) but lets not get carried away here.So we are talking moral equivalency? This thread was started about a guy killing a lion. Just trying to keep things on track
I replied because I have seen responses on social media platforms where people question the outrage about this in the context of the PP crap and outrage for the Zimbabwe President and I find myself asking, can’t I be outraged about both?
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>sticker wrote:</div>
Past history is what it is, he plead guilty to poaching a bearIMO it shows a pattern.
Anywho, not trying to come off as argumentative, we all have our opinions.
i’m just referring to “dbag of the year” i’m not sure how this even qualifies for the top ten when there are thousands of other atrocities committed on a daily basis. This might be a detestable person…its possible. and its perfectly fine to be upset and discuss the topic obviously.
My beef is our enfatuation with superlatives today. its facebook culture..”this guy is dbag of the year” “this sandwich is AMAZING”…”that was HILARIOUS”
i’m a 34 yr old stuck in a 74 yr olds body is all i guess.
Regardless of whether Palmer knew all of the details regarding his hunt, this kind of news story disappoints me. Most of the time, the news presents information tailored to spark emotional responses, not factual information. That kind of fuel is the last thing anti-hunting supporters need. Not all hunters are trophy hunters, not all hunters hunt predators, not all hunters are even capable of paying $50,000+ for an African safari.
So when I see people posting beautiful pictures of the lion, saying how can people hunt? Who could kill this beautiful creature? It frustrates me! The two aren’t really related in my book. I’m a hunter, but I don’t hunt lions. I don’t appreciate being lumped into this kind of mess simply because I call myself a hunter.
The people who are quick to judge and condemn, should probably just mind their own business and let karma take care of the situation.
Incidentally, I do rather enjoy discussions of differencing opinions. Some people would say I like to argue, and I have to disagree (the irony isn’t lost on me). I just really enjoy the spirited exchange of opinions and thoughts, especially when they’re coming from people who think differently. We all bring something valuable to the table and we all learn. Makes me miss being in debate. 
So when I see people posting beautiful pictures of the lion, saying how can people hunt? Who could kill this beautiful creature? It frustrates me! The two aren’t really related in my book. I’m a hunter, but I don’t hunt lions. I don’t appreciate being lumped into this kind of mess simply because I call myself a hunter.
This is a very good point. Well over 90% of all hunters could never afford to do such a hunt or will ever have that opportunity or even want to. So to include ALL hunters in with this “type” of hunt is completely ignorant on their part, but I don’t expect the likes of PETA to care one bit about that.
i’m just referring to “dbag of the year” i’m not sure how this even qualifies for the top ten when there are thousands of other atrocities committed on a daily basis.
I think I got now 
My beef is our enfatuation with superlatives today. its facebook culture..”this guy is dbag of the year” “this sandwich is AMAZING”…”that was HILARIOUS”
i’m a 34 yr old stuck in a 74 yr olds body is all i guess.
I can relate. I have been accused of being that guy who was going to be a “get off my lawn” type senior. I reached it at about 40.
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This is a very good point. Well over 90% of all hunters could never afford to do such a hunt or will ever have that opportunity or even want to. So to include ALL hunters in with this “type” of hunt is completely ignorant on their part, but I don’t expect the likes of PETA to care one bit about that.
Must of the PETA leaders are so out there they would not see the benefit of have there members by a duck stamp.
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The people who are quick to judge and condemn, should probably just mind their own business and let karma take care of the situation.
Incidentally, I do rather enjoy discussions of differencing opinions. Some people would say I like to argue, and I have to disagree (the irony isn’t lost on me). I just really enjoy the spirited exchange of opinions and thoughts, especially when they’re coming from people who think differently. We all bring something valuable to the table and we all learn. Makes me miss being in debate.
You sort of want it both ways, Sharon…
Sharon is right, all this does is fuel more flames for anti-hunters. Either way the damage is already done to this man, his business, and our sport of HUNTING. If this animal didn’t have a name & a collar it would have barely made their local papers. Personally I will wait to pass judgment when all the facts come out. In the meantime,if you want to debate something I can start a Deflategate thread, at least there’s a tiny little bit of evidence in that one.
I am going to give the dentist a pass (thus far), and believe that the 54k he spent to hunt, was based on an understanding that this was a completely legit hunt.
I am hearing that hunting cats at night is the norm, and I’ve heard it is illegal… it would be nice to get a definitive answer.
Part of hiring a professional guide is placing a belief in him, that he will know and abide by the regulations of that area. I doubt the hunter is going to be able to wade through the various regulations involved in hunting dangerous game in Africa.
If I hire a fishing guide, I am going to rely on him/her to know the regulations of that lake — part of the fee paid is for his/her expertise, especially if I am a visitor to that particular area.
Wouldn’t I expect the same, when traveling to another continent?
Ok, I’ll come at this from a different perspective.
Question, Are those here that are disgusted with the Killing of a single Lion also so disgusted about MURDER (Abortion) On-Demand in America?
Are you so disgusted that we had over 10,000 Abortions in just the State of Minnesota in 2014?
Are you disgusted with the recent accusations of Planned Parenthood allegedly selling parts of the Murdered Babies?
Where’s the outrage about that?
Where’s the outrage over Drunken Driver’s killing more people than those that die by Guns each year?
Yes, we have a HUGE MORAL problem in America, the Not so Beautiful!
Just my Opinion!
Carroll
What about the guides ? I bet they got their ass kicked. Or worse.
“Cecil” was a national treasure.
WKW
No one screamed when they killed Bambis’Mother
Ok, I’ll come at this from a different perspective.
Question, Are those here that are disgusted with the Killing of a single Lion also so disgusted about MURDER (Abortion) On-Demand in America?Are you so disgusted that we had over 10,000 Abortions in just the State of Minnesota in 2014?
Are you disgusted with the recent accusations of Planned Parenthood allegedly selling parts of the Murdered Babies?
Where’s the outrage about that?
Where’s the outrage over Drunken Driver’s killing more people than those that die by Guns each year?
Yes, we have a HUGE MORAL problem in America, the Not so Beautiful!
Just my Opinion!
Carrol
Very True,
Although I read an article from a State Rep. from up near Mille Lacs that came out against the Tribe Netting. She gets it!
Sure she’ll be a target of the Tribes huge Bank Roll for her opponent in the next election.
Here now Cecil ive got a nice ribeye for you and after that Elsa is waiting for you just over the hill and you know what that’s about dont ya.
What? To soon, everybody talks to their pets.
it would be a heck of a lot easier to give the dentist due process if it weren’t for the poached bear and sexual harassment settlement in his past. That being said, there seems to be so much outrage over this “named” lion being lured away from his security into range for a bow kill. How many hunting shows this week are going to be aired on the various networks where guys will be killing “stickers”, the “split g2 buck”, “drop tine”, etc over a bait pile or food plot?
I was listening to cco this afternoon and I thought the (bleeding heart) host made a good point, a young man was killed this weekend in north mpls and no one knows his name, a lion gets killed and the whole world knows its name and jimmy kimmel is crying on national tv.
blaming the guides is cowardly (no wizard of oz pun intended). There was a case in sw wi a few years ago where “guides” told the guys carrying dead turkeys to drop them in the grass as the dnr plane flew over. my recollection is the hunters turned them in. this would be a different story today if he would have gotten out in front of it when it all went down, which leads me to wonder how “ignorant” can he really be? little late to be sorry after you were caught
Tom Sawvell wrote:
“Ok, I’ll come at this from a different perspective.
Question, Are those here that are disgusted with the Killing of a single Lion also so disgusted about MURDER (Abortion) On-Demand in America?
Are you so disgusted that we had over 10,000 Abortions in just the State of Minnesota in 2014?
Are you disgusted with the recent accusations of Planned Parenthood allegedly selling parts of the Murdered Babies?
Where’s the outrage about that?
Where’s the outrage over Drunken Driver’s killing more people than those that die by Guns each year?
Yes, we have a HUGE MORAL problem in America, the Not so Beautiful!
Just my Opinion!
Carrol”
I did not write this.
Due process. Let’s get the facts in full then pass judgement. Harshly if warranted. It’s a foundation for our justice system.
That being said, I am more concerned about the use of the crossbow on this hunt. I’m not against archers, as I am one for Whitetail, but the first thing a sportsman should consider is the context of the hunt. In this case, a large dangerous animal is not likely to be quickly struck down and dispatched by an arrow. Possible, but not probable.
We each have our own understanding of ethical hunting but to me, first and foremost, is the quick dispatch of the prey. I don’t like any game I pursue to suffer needlessly and I think most of us could agree to that. It is clear in the story that the animal needed to be put down by firearms many hours after the first hit from the bolt. While I realize it is unreasonable to think that an animal will drop dead on impact of the projectile, I think good ethics would force us to ask, “In the context of THIS hunt considering THIS prey, what is the safest and most humane method of dispatching this animal?”.
To each his own, but I will always look to the quickest way to put em down the first time instead of insisting on one certain weapon. It’s all about the context.
Imagine a world where this sort of response happened with things that are far more evil and disgusting. The world would be a better place. Things like corrupt politicians, violent criminals and immoral behavior.
BFD, he killed a lion that had a name. A lot of us deer hunters name deer we get on trail camera then kill or attempt to kill them. Is this really what it is about or is it about the way it was killed? This whole thing is blown way out of proportion!! And WTH does a sexual assault settlement have to do with any of this? Just dragging up skeletons, ridiculous!!! If he poached the lion he should pay the consequences period!
Between 600-1000 lions are killed each year. I guess this guy is guilt of shooting the wrong one.
Between 600-1000 lions are killed each year. I guess this guy is guilt of shooting the wrong one.
True, and about a zillion deer get shot, but if you and a couple deadbeat guides lure “Old Mossy” out of the village deer park your going to get nailed by the public. If you notice, and it’s right here on this thread, it’s not just the anti-hunters who are disgusted. Just sayin’
Seems there is disproportionate outrage on two fronts.
1.) Toward this guy with death threats and giving out his address and phone. Also saying ridiculous things such as let the lions hunt him, hang him, etc.
2.) 0 outrage toward the guides.
Even if worst case scenario he knew what he was doing, these guys get permits and part those permits is so that guides can help the hunter follow the law and be good stewards. I don’t see a scenario where this guy goes there and forces these guys to do something illegal. I do see one where the guides do it and he is an unwitting participant.
I’d really like to know the circumstances around the collar and intent to destroy evidence. If he witnessed that he should have said something to someone.
I think I am all Celiled out…
True, and about a zillion deer get shot, but if you and a couple deadbeat guides lure
“Old Mossy” out of the village deer park your going to get nailed by the public. If you notice, and it’s right here on this thread, it’s not just the anti-hunters who are disgusted. Just sayin’
You’re implying that the dentist/hunter was involved in this part of the hunt. Which he very well may have, but I have not read that he was involved in this part.
The world sure is in an upROAR about this today.
Cecil was a well known male african lion with a black mane. Which as I understand it, is pretty rare.
According to some so called experts, anyone and everyone who calls themselves an African big game hunter knows all about Cecil. They know where he lives and they know very well about his famous black mane. That black maned male lion also sounds like something that would be very much treasured as a rare trophy to someone who is a world traveling big game hunter.
I would like to believe this guys story but Cecils background, and this dentist background, make it to hard for me to believe that this guy had no idea that he was hunting any other lion than Cecil.
You sort of want it both ways, Sharon…
Well, now there is a difference. I enjoy a good discussion, not a pitch-fork induced rant spewing word vomit at random. And it seems like the media fuels that kind of response! Some people are yelling for Palmer to be brought back to Africa to be hanged, some want HIM hunted by lions. That’s ridiculousness.
I think I am all Celiled out…
I think we’re all getting there, Pug. I wish happy stories got the world talking like these unfortunate ones. But that’s not the world we live in.
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