Local dentist kills lion

http://www.startribune.com/zimbabwe-2-to-appear-in-court-for-killing-cecil-the-lion/318828251/

Thoughts?

d-bag of the century award in my book…

lured it out of the game reserve, shot it with a high powered scoped crossbow, skinned it and then cut the head off and left the carcass while trying to destroy the radio tracker collar…sounds like a sportsman to me…/puke

People like that will ultimately get the payback coming to them… I sure hope he gets the 15 years in an African jail, but we all know he’ll be able to buy his way out of it…

I understand there are ways for these hunts to be legal and that it sounds like this wasn’t. What I don’t understand is that he had already killed a lion before why did he need a 2nd? While personally I don’t think I agree with killing one I can see it if it’s legal and serves some purpose. Going after a second one IMO is greedy. Doing it in an apparent DBAG way is something worse.

Jonesy wrote:

Doing it in an apparent DBAG way is something worse.

If the “facts” of the case are as described in the other article I read, not sporting at all and gives real sportsmen a bad name. How much is on him vs the “professional hunters” or guides though is my question. Were all those things done at HIS request OR done solely by the professional hunter/guide?
Either way, I couldn’t do something like that, but I am not in the situation to spend in upwards of $50,000 on a hunt and after giving my money away to tell them “I don’t want to do it like this”. Pretty sure that money is gone. But, to him I suppose he could get by.
It sounds like he is quite the archer though, so he clearly sought challenge, but the circumstances surrounding this situation do not look good.

Dentists are always causing someone pain!

4 out of 5 dentists wouldn’t do it…

I’d be finding a new dentist.

$3000 fine??
What is $3k to someone who paid $55K to shoot it.
I never will understand why they can’t make the punishment fit the crime. Goes for criminal punishment in US Courts too.

He already was convicted of poaching a bear right?
He’ll do it again. No conscience.

What’s next a rare black Rhino…the 3rd of the last 3 living?

Maybe just me but if ya want a real challenge…try a mature, 4 year old whitetail doe with a bow…now that’s a challenge.

According to the article, Palmer claims that he believed he hired reputable guides to assist in his hunt. Imagine paying that kind of money, thinking what you’re doing is perfectly legit, and then fining out that you were duped into killing an animal that was lured from a national park. I would be devastated and I wouldn’t want the world to condemn me for my mistake, when really, it sounds like it was the guides who initiated the illegal action.

Some of the details don’t add up in this article and there certainly some concerns regarding ethics. It says “The American is believed to have shot [the lion] with a crossbow, injuring the animal. The wounded lion was found 40 hours later and shot dead with a gun…” Why would you injure your game and not pursue it? The article says that Palmer doesn’t bring a firearm as a backup when hunting. “The lion was skinned and beheaded.”

I don’t understand the purpose of hunting game if you’re not going to eat it. And I think even if Palmer legitimately didn’t know the lion wasn’t legal game, it leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths regarding hunters and I don’t appreciate that.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/crime/2015/07/28/zimbabwe-2-to-appear-in-court-for-killing-cecil-the-lion/30776125/

The beginning of this Kare 11 article seems to give the impression that Palmer intended to act with illegal intentions. This is why you can’t believe everything you see on the news. The article says, “The American allegedly paid $50,000 to kill the lion named Cecil, Zimbabwean conservationists said.” Or did Palmer pay $50,000 to go on a legit guided lion hunt, and ended up in a bad situation… It’s all up to how the information is interpreted, and it’s hard to tell what really happened, in any given situation, unless you were there.

Sharon wrote:

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/crime/2015/07/28/zimbabwe-2-to-appear-in-court-for-killing-cecil-the-lion/30776125/

The beginning of this Kare 11 article seems to give the impression that Palmer intended to act with illegal intentions. This is why you can’t believe everything you see on the news. The article says, “The American allegedly paid $50,000 to kill the lion named Cecil, Zimbabwean conservationists said.” Or did Palmer pay $50,000 to go on a legit guided lion hunt, and ended up in a bad situation… It’s all up to how the information is interpreted, and it’s hard to tell what really happened, in any given situation, unless you were there.

My thoughts exactly. People have the Knee-jerk reaction to everything these days. News articles are the same way. The guys business is basically crushed because of dozens of articles and thousand of bad reviews that have nothing to do with his practice.

If he committed the crime he deserves punishment, if he had no knowledge of what was happening, leave him alone.

With all the news agencies striving for “hits” and viewership it shouldn’t surprise any of us how they “dupe” us into visiting their page. Afterall, there are MANY other options out there for us to get news, but its often the controversial headline that draws us in.
I can only imagine the facebook comments on this…

Man, I can’t imagine killing an amazing creature like a lion or an elephant so I probably just don’t ‘get it’. I admit I’m not a huge hunter, I don’t have anything wrong with deer hunting or anything like that, but killing something and using 0% of that animal for anything but bragging rights rubs me the wrong way.

Unfortunately there is no ‘catch and release’ option with hunting :(. Sad to see such rare creatures be killed for nothing more than a mount on a rich dude’s wall…

The story sounds just like his illegally killed bear story. Thought it was legal where I shot it. Then why transport it 40 miles? Guy is a criminal in a suit as far as I’m concerned. Has money and laws don’t pertain to him. Hate to say it but just because dentists can charge that much in their practice just doesn’t seem right. 42 trophies with many overseas. That just doesn’t seem right but maybe he was left a gazillion dollars so that is how he can afford it.

I don’t understand “trophy hunts” in the first place.

Make shift memorial outside his office. Karma, can you feel it? Hope it ends his “professional career” .

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And then there are these adolescents imbisciles outside his home seeking attention.

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I hope it doesn’t end his career.

Hard to be a dentist while locked up.
Poach a Bear, fine and probation.
Poach a Lion……….jail time with Bubba.
Or maybe believe his story and wait for the 3rd incident?

David Blais wrote:

I hope it doesn’t end his career.

It did. He’s closing shop.

The class act also settled out of court sexual harassment charges.

It’s the circle of life….bitch! Yeah science.

I love hunting, I am not sure if I totally agree with “trophy hunts” though. However, it’s tough to know what went on and I am going to hold him innocent until guilty. He may have just paid $50,000 to some guides who he believed was reputable and believed that literally everything he did on the hunt was legal. It’s possible he had no clue that the lion was lured out of that area. It’s also possible he’s been doing shady things forever.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

d-bag of the century award in my book…

lured it out of the game reserve, shot it with a high powered scoped crossbow, skinned it and then cut the head off and left the carcass while trying to destroy the radio tracker collar…sounds like a sportsman to me…/puke

People like that will ultimately get the payback coming to them… I sure hope he gets the 15 years in an African jail, but we all know he’ll be able to buy his way out of it…

we’ve got corporations chopping up baby parts to be sent to market and 100’s of other awful atrocities against humanity yet this guy is the dbag of the century.

hnd wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
d-bag of the century award in my book…

lured it out of the game reserve, shot it with a high powered scoped crossbow, skinned it and then cut the head off and left the carcass while trying to destroy the radio tracker collar…sounds like a sportsman to me…/puke

People like that will ultimately get the payback coming to them… I sure hope he gets the 15 years in an African jail, but we all know he’ll be able to buy his way out of it…

we’ve got corporations chopping up baby parts to be sent to market and 100’s of other awful atrocities against humanity yet this guy is the dbag of the century.

That comment certainly puts it all in perspective! Let all let the facts come out then if he knew what was up (knew it was a pet lion…) hang the guy and let lions tear him apart. Until then he did nothing wrong…RR

1.) Planned Parenthood has nothing to with this. That’s a red herring.
2.) Of course he’s going to blame the guides, that’s what people with adolescent minds do, they blame others. If you are going to blame the guides then maybe you should have reported them as soon as they tried disposing of the collar and other evidence.

mplspug wrote:

1.) Planned Parenthood has nothing to with this. That’s a red herring.
2.) Of course he’s going to blame the guides, that’s what people with adolescent minds do, they blame others. If you are going to blame the guides then maybe you should have reported them as soon as they tried disposing of the collar and other evidence.

My thoughts exactly. “Adolescent mind” is what comes to me with this kind of trophy hunter. “Look at me, look at me!” He has a pattern of unethical behavior, and he gives all of us a bad rap in the eyes of many.

This thread is now making me nauseous as the subject.

mplspug wrote:

1.) Planned Parenthood has nothing to with this. That’s a red herring.
2.) Of course he’s going to blame the guides, that’s what people with adolescent minds do, they blame others. If you are going to blame the guides then maybe you should have reported them as soon as they tried disposing of the collar and other evidence.

it does in the scope of “dbag of the year” he may be the dbag hunter of the year (and still probably not) but lets not get carried away here.

I am not a trophy hunter although I do take hunting very seriously and I have zero interest to go to Africa to hunt. That being said people do it and enjoy it and it’s legal so it’s not up to me to say it’s right or wrong. I personally don’t care how many lions or elephants he already has.

This was supposed to be a legal hunt that he bought. I am holding out judgement until someone comes forward with info than can prove he knowingly did something wrong. Past history is what it is, he plead guilty to poaching a bear. That’s wrong and he paid the price. If I got a speeding ticket 3 years ago I don’t want every officer that pulls me over to automatically assume I am doing something wrong.

sticker wrote:

I am not a trophy hunter although I do take hunting very seriously and I have zero interest to go to Africa to hunt. That being said people do it and enjoy it and it’s legal so it’s not up to me to say it’s right or wrong. I personally don’t care how many lions or elephants he already has.

This was supposed to be a legal hunt that he bought. I am holding out judgement until someone comes forward with info than can prove he knowingly did something wrong. Past history is what it is, he plead guilty to poaching a bear. That’s wrong and he paid the price. If I got a speeding ticket 3 years ago I don’t want every officer that pulls me over to automatically assume I am doing something wrong.

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mplspug wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>David Blais wrote:</div>
I hope it doesn’t end his career.

It did. He’s closing shop.

The class act also settled out of court sexual harassment charges.

It’s the circle of life….bitch! Yeah science.

…just as a matter of his plans for the office he runs, he does plan on re-opening it as soon as he can. (At least this is what he has told his patients via a letter…)

hnd wrote:

it does in the scope of “dbag of the year” he may be the dbag hunter of the year (and still probably not) but lets not get carried away here.

So we are talking moral equivalency? This thread was started about a guy killing a lion. Just trying to keep things on track

I replied because I have seen responses on social media platforms where people question the outrage about this in the context of the PP crap and outrage for the Zimbabwe President and I find myself asking, can’t I be outraged about both?

sticker wrote:

Past history is what it is, he plead guilty to poaching a bear

IMO it shows a pattern.

Anywho, not trying to come off as argumentative, we all have our opinions.

Another example of Pitchfork Nation whereby the entire world feels entitled to rush to judgment based on few or no facts.

My thoughts on the situation are that I’ll be waiting for actual facts to be brought forward before having any thoughts on the situation.

The central question here is was Palmer aware of what was being done to lure this animal in and was he aware that this was illegal?

For those of you not familiar with how hunting is conducted (generally speaking) in Africa, it is the job of the Professional Hunter (PH), who is himself a trained and licensed professional, to secure all licenses and permits for all animals taken by the visiting hunter. In many cases the documents and permits that the PH has are written in the local language and are incomprehensible even if you could read them.

Hunting in Africa is nothing like hunting here in the US where you secure your own licenses and are responsible for understanding and abiding by all the regulations.

It is EXTREMELY difficult or impossible for the visiting hunter to look over the PH’s shoulder in Africa and try to verify that what the PH is telling you is correct and that he is in bounds as far as abiding by regulations. It comes down to reputation and trust, when the PH tells you that you can hunt and take a certain animal, in a certain area, and under a given set of conditions, the visiting hunter basically has to trust that this in correct and legal.

I’m not defending anyone or making excuses for what may or may not have happened. I’m just addressing the presumption that seems to be out there that this individual “must have known” what he was doing was illegal. Maybe he did and maybe he didn’t. Facts are needed before anyone can make that judgment.

Grouse