Load Development for 6.5 PRC

  • Pat McSharry
    Keymaster
    Saint Michael, MN
    Posts: 713
    #2048045

    I figured I would give an update on what i’ve done in terms of working up a load for my 6.5 PRC that I had built last winter. I’m shooting ADG brass, CCI 200 Primers, and Berger Hybrid Target 140’s. I’ve made a few changes to the powder as the barrel has broken in.

    We started with Retumbo, as it was all I had at the time. I really wanted to use a Hodgdon Extreme powder because of their reputation of being very temperature stable. I wasn’t able to find H4831sc or H1000 at that time. We found a load that was shooting really dang good at 58.6 grains of Retumbo within about 50 rounds. By 150 firings this combination was no longer working well. I was getting extreme spreads of almost 100 fps. I’m not entirely sure on why that was, but I attribute it to the barrel speeding up and Retumbo being too slow of a powder.

    I decided to try H4831sc. I settled on a load that was shooting awesome at 2940fps. 54.8 grains. I shot a local practice prs match which was 100 rounds and it shot awesome all day. I took it out to Montana on a elk scouting trip and shot 50 rounds at prairie dogs. Even shot one at 650 yards on the second shot which I thought was pretty good! It shot awesome until the last 4 rounds all of a sudden I got heavy bolt lift. I put it away and brought it home and cleaned it really well with wipe out patch out. I was at 350 rounds and it hadn’t been cleaned since 125 rounds.

    I shot again with the same loads and had slight heavy bolt lift on some of the rounds and if you look you can find a faint ejector mark on some of the cases. My average velocity was 2970. ES of 25, but SD of 9 over the course of 25 shots. I figured that was acceptable for a sample size that large, and it was shooting very accurate. My first three shots on freshly painted steel at 600 yards were 3″.

    Last weekend I decided to drop my charge down a full grain and do a OCW test at 100 yards. I think i’m going to anchor in at 53.5 grains of H4831sc. I’m still on the fence of going with H1000. The pressure ladder I did was very promising as far as how stabile the speed was and more importantly, how accurate each shot was.

    I just thought I would give an update here in case anyone else was loading for 6.5 PRC. I’m really new to this and have learned a ton about the load development process. It’s crazy how much the barrel’s speed up and settle in. The original pressure ladder I did for H4831sc didn’t show pressure until a full grain of powder more than what it currently does. Which is 54.8

    I’m pretty proud of the shooting from this last test. For group size comparison, the group on the 53.2 grain charge with the low flier (which was the only shot I pulled) measures right at .5 inches. I learned a lot of shooting techniques from Primal Rights article section. The rifles barreled action was built by TS Customs out of Miller SD.

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    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #2048058

    Thanks for sharing this, Pat. I’m sponging everything I can learn from what you’ve gone through as I prepare for the arrival of my 300 PRC. I’m thinking I’ll shoot 50 – 100 rounds of factory ammo to achieve barrel break in before I really get into the custom load development process to avoid some of the changes you saw as your barrel sped up.

    Ps – that’s some mighty fine shooting! That 6.5 of yours is a tack driver!

    waldo9190
    Cloquet, MN
    Posts: 1123
    #2048067

    19 FPS ES from 53.4-53.8 is a dandy of a velocity node! Looks like you hit the nail on the head with your development/process.

    Pat McSharry
    Keymaster
    Saint Michael, MN
    Posts: 713
    #2048073

    Thanks for sharing this, Pat. I’m sponging everything I can learn from what you’ve gone through as I prepare for the arrival of my 300 PRC. I’m thinking I’ll shoot 50 – 100 rounds of factory ammo to achieve barrel break in before I really get into the custom load development process to avoid some of the changes you saw as your barrel sped up.

    The more I think about this, we may consider plugging away on some safe loads with your virgin brass as I believe that some of the speed up I experienced was going from virgin to once and twice fired brass. Sure wouldn’t hurt to get some firings on them!

    Pat McSharry
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    Saint Michael, MN
    Posts: 713
    #2048074

    19 FPS ES from 53.4-53.8 is a dandy of a velocity node! Looks like you hit the nail on the head with your development/process.

    Thanks! I will admit this rifle has been a great one to learn on. It shoots just about anything pretty dang accurately.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #2048075

    The more I think about this, we may consider plugging away on some safe loads with your virgin brass as I believe that some of the speed up I experienced was going from virgin to once and twice fired brass. Sure wouldn’t hurt to get some firings on them!

    Now that I finally feel like I’m in a good place as far as components and supplies are concerned that sounds like a plan to me. I can always sell the factory ammo for what I have into it. waytogo

    Pat McSharry
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    Saint Michael, MN
    Posts: 713
    #2048317

    Couple Bergers loaded up with 53.5 grains of H4831sc…..

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    Pat McSharry
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    Saint Michael, MN
    Posts: 713
    #2048327

    I’m going to go get my butt kicked at a NRL Border Wars match this weekend. jester Gotta start somewhere! I definitely don’t have the ideal gun for these style of matches, but i’m so new to it that any exposure and practice is good.

    For $50 I get to go shoot 10 stages from 300-1100 yards with someone spotting my impacts. I’m not really worried about how well I do for now.

    James Holst
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    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #2048328

    For $50 I get to go shoot 10 stages from 300-1100 yards with someone spotting my impacts. I’m not really worried about how well I do for now.

    That’s cheap entertainment. Have you worked out what your component costs are per round?

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13478
    #2048333

    Pat,
    Few of the experiences you listed above are similar to a few I’ve gone through with many different calibers.

    Are you annealing your brass? New brass Vs reloaded 2, 3, 4…times will steadily have a change in neck tension. That is where I found my variables – especially critical on short mags!!! My regiment on brass prep is so dam methodical now. Has really made such a difference.

    Your 100yrd groups – are you retesting that at 300 – 400 meters? I ask because often I see stability issues show up more clearly at what I consider mid-range. Too often that 100meter group looks so promising and falls apart at 300 and over.

    I have a few loads worked up with H1000. So far, we havent noticed much a change. Temperature wise, it has been very stable. For trajectory, I see a significant change when I get over 6000 feet elev. or more

    Looks like your having fun anbd thats what really matters!!

    Pat McSharry
    Keymaster
    Saint Michael, MN
    Posts: 713
    #2048339

    For $50 I get to go shoot 10 stages from 300-1100 yards with someone spotting my impacts. I’m not really worried about how well I do for now.

    That’s cheap entertainment. Have you worked out what your component costs are per round?

    It’s like a dollar a round not counting brass. That’s including powder hazmat fees and shipping. If you could find the stuff in store it would definitely be a little cheaper.

    Are you annealing your brass? New brass Vs reloaded 2, 3, 4…times will steadily have a change in neck tension. That is where I found my variables – especially critical on short mags!!! My regiment on brass prep is so dam methodical now. Has really made such a difference.

    James actually purchased an AMP annealer and I have been using that. It’s a super slick setup. I also took the expander ball out of my sizing die and am using a K&M expander mandrel to set my neck tension to .0025

    Your 100yrd groups – are you retesting that at 300 – 400 meters? I ask because often I see stability issues show up more clearly at what I consider mid-range. Too often that 100meter group looks so promising and falls apart at 300 and over.

    I didn’t on this particular day, but I have shot this projectile out to 900 yards with consistent sub moa results. My previous load of 54.8 was averaging 2930 before barrel speed up and now 53.5 is averaging 2920, so I didn’t feel the need to re test for stability out of this 8 twist barrel.

    Pat McSharry
    Keymaster
    Saint Michael, MN
    Posts: 713
    #2048346

    Your 100yrd groups – are you retesting that at 300 – 400 meters? I ask because often I see stability issues show up more clearly at what I consider mid-range. Too often that 100meter group looks so promising and falls apart at 300 and over.

    One of my friends that I have been learning a lot about reloading from has talked about this happening to him. I just haven’t experienced it yet.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13478
    #2048499

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Pat McSharry wrote:</div>
    Your 100yrd groups – are you retesting that at 300 – 400 meters? I ask because often I see stability issues show up more clearly at what I consider mid-range. Too often that 100meter group looks so promising and falls apart at 300 and over.

    One of my friends that I have been learning a lot about reloading from has talked about this happening to him. I just haven’t experienced it yet.

    When you run into it, some times its pretty dam bizarre. I had a 6.5 creed group at 100 meter that was about 1/4moa, at 300M it opened to about 3MOA and at 500M was back to down to about 1.5MOA. From what we could tell, they were spiraling in a wave – weird sometimes

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