Livescope…what I experienced this weekend

  • holehopper
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    #1901793

    Had a good chance to target big crappies with my Livescope this weekend. My buddy was running a Vex 28 next to me and it was interesting to compare the information coming from both of them side by side. I’m a long-time Vex user who just got Livescope this season. We were fishing in 25 feet of water and at that depth, the Livescope was showing a sonar picture that was 24 feet across from left to right and about 10 feet thick from front to back. A couple of things I learned about the crappies we were seeing:

    1. They definitely moved in schools. Solitary fish were very rare. One thing that surprised me was that the schools we saw tended to be long and narrow. The fish were swimming in about a 4 foot band of the water and there were typically stacked no more than 2 or 3 high as you looked at them vertically. A lot of those fish seemed to be in “commuter” mode…just swimming at a slow and steady pace like they were in commuter traffic on the highway and following nose to tail. Most of the schools we saw had 20 or more fish in them but in a long thin line vs. in more of a ball of fish. On the Vex, it looked like you had one or two fish in the area but in reality, there were probably 10 fish within 6 feet of the bait. It was a good reminder for me that if you see one fish on your Vex, there are probably a lot more in close proximity that you aren’t seeing. From each school, we maybe caught 4 fish out of the total 20 or 25. A few fish in each school were actively feeding and the others were just in that commuter mode I described above.

    2. I learned a lot from the “live” image from Livescope. It was very interesting to see fish 10 feet away from my bait and being able to change up my jigging motion or bait to get them to respond. Livescope gives you a live image from a big area underwater. Think of it as sort of a cross between an underwater camera (that isn’t affected by water clarity or low light) and a traditional graph. You can see the outline of the fish, the size of the fish and even the fins as the fish swims towards or away from your bait while you watch them swimming in real time. You can definitely tell the species of the fish based on the shape you see on the screen combined with their behavior and where they are in the water column. Comparing the Vex and the Livescope side by side showed me how close to underneath you those fish need to be for you to see them on a flasher. At times we had 20 fish on the Livescope screen and none showing on the Vex based on the fish being outside the cone of the flasher. With the flasher only, we might have decided we were in a bad spot with no fish in the area. With the Livescope, we could see there were fish there and it was a matter of figuring out what jigging motion and/or baits they were after.

    Livescope is a very expensive tool and is not for everybody but I would encourage anyone to try one out…either rent one or get a guide who has them or fish next to someone you know who has one. In future situations where I will fish with just my flasher, I learned a lot just in a couple of hours about what I can see and what I can’t see with my flasher. I also learned a lot about fish behavior because I was watching them move and feed in real time. All of this was done in the “down-view” mode on Livescope. Forward view and using it to find fish is something I will describe in a separate post.

    Ice Cap
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    #1901800

    Nice write up thanks for taking the time. Next time maybe posting some pics of what you’re seeing would be helpful.

    BrianF
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    #1901805

    Nice write up Holehopper.

    For those contemplating a jump from their traditional sonar to the new Livescope ice bundle, you may want to consider a couple things that are not highlighted by Garmin marketing materials. I found out after my purchase that the Livescope unit is only operational down to 5 degrees Fahrenheit. Colder than that and you’ll need to fish your old sonar unit or get in a heated shack. This realization was disappointing because I had originally planned to sell my Vex 28 to help defray the Livescope cost. I can tell you firsthand that the manufacturer is spot on about that 5 degree cut-off point. They aren’t kidding. The unit will stop operating at 5 degrees. Not good for cold weather hole-hoppers like me…as is the weight. That unit is a beast. Feels like it weighs 20lbs.

    Still, the unit is amazing and is everything you described. The price tag is painful, but ‘you gotta pay to play’?? Worth it for those who fish a lot IMO. So much more information and fascinating fish behavior to watch vs. a traditional sonar.

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    #1901826

    As long as you keep the ducer warm between longer moves, colder than 5 degrees isn’t a serious problem. Here’s what I use; I throw in a hand warmer if it’s subzero.

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    #1901829

    To those interested in Livescope, there are new units out there that eliminate the black box.

    They are 10-12″ units and cost more, but the transducer is only $500 for them.

    https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/636902#devices

    This is a B grade scope and doesn’t give the full wrap around view. Even though it only runs on the new ultras, it’s considered an economical alternative to the lvs32, not a replacement. I spoke with a garmin tech and he said folks getting the lvs12 have been consistently disappointed.

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
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    #1901860

    To those interested in Livescope, there are new units out there that eliminate the black box.

    They are 10-12″ units and cost more, but the transducer is only $500 for them.

    https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/636902#devices

    Could I use this with my 73sv or do you need a specific ice unit? Also, could you mount this for open water? Would be great to bring to canada.

    B-man
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    #1901866

    No it only works with the newer 10-12-16″ Ultra Maps and GPSmap units. If you open the link there is a spot to click on compatible units (all are newer big ones).

    I have no experience with it, but the way Fishwater talks is that the original with a separate black box is superior.

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
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    #1901873

    Yeah, I didn’t realize that was a lesser unit until after I posted that. I love the livescope on the boat but seems like it’s a game changer on the ice.

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    #1901974

    EPG – that’s the culprit. The link you posted is the “new” ice version, but it’s the same system. The ice package doesn’t come with an open water ducer, instead the gt10 traditional 2d ice ducer, shuttle & bag and a fairly useless lead battery that’ll give you maybe 5hrs runtime?

    Most consider a DIY a better value. You’ll need a bigger battery (18ah), or multiple smaller. The gt10 ice ducer could get some use, but probably not much once you use the scope a few times. Ive seen the 93sv head and livescope (gls10 and lvs32) for a bit under 2k as of yesterday. Many folks are using products from a company called Summit for their shuttle and other accessories instead of the Garmin options. I have mine mounted in a 3.5 gal bucket that has held up well. I like the bucket because it gives a nice protected diameter to loop the extra ducer cable out of the way. The shuttles appear (to me) to require the $$ ducer cable to be wound a bit tight, which I feel will could lead to unnecessary damage.

    I can honestly say that as long as the ice is under 20″, I can readily hole hop with my setup. I can carry the bucketed scope with pole affixed by a ram claw around by the bucket handle. Essentially I’m using the 8lb gls10 processor in the bottom of the bucket as a counterweight to offset the arm/ducer and provide a stable center of mass. As long as I have another 6″+ hole ready, I can hop around with the entire setup in my one hand.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
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    #1901984

    Fishwater –
    Thanks for the info.
    Now I’m confused, isn’t the LVS32 ducer both a hard and soft water ducer and the best ducer they now offer?

    When you’re on hard water how can you tell which way it is pointing?

    BrianF
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    #1901994

    When you’re on hard water how can you tell which way it is pointing?

    I keep this photo handy in my phone to help with hard water orientation.

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    uninc4709
    Posts: 169
    #1901998

    Fishwater –
    Thanks for the info.
    Now I’m confused, isn’t the LVS32 ducer both a hard and soft water ducer and the best ducer they now offer?

    When you’re on hard water how can you tell which way it is pointing?

    nevermind

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    #1901999

    EPG – the lvs32 is the livescope ducer, plugs into the network port. They also come with either a gt10 ice ducer or gt52 open water ducer that goes into the ducer port, which one depends if you buy the ice package or open water 93sv head unit with the livescope as an add-on.

    If anyone wants to see this in action on the ice, I’d be happy to meet up sometime.

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
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    #1902004

    Very nice write up. Thank you and I mean that sincerely.

    I do have to wonder though…. if it gets to a point where technology is too advanced for fishing. Kinda takes a little of the mystique out of it don’t you think?

    Ice Cap
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    #1902018

    Very nice write up. Thank you and I mean that sincerely.

    I do have to wonder though…. if it gets to a point where technology is too advanced for fishing. Kinda takes a little of the mystique out of it don’t you think?

    There’s that. Plus it’s cost prohibitive imo. New technology so I’m guessing waiting 2 to 3 years will save you some money and you will get some improvements in the technology and the package to boot.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10426
    #1902055

    DANG!
    I was researching and had the Garmin Live Scope up on the computer, FW came by and said “Garmin huh”

    BUSTED! LOL

    Tom P.
    Whitehall Wi.
    Posts: 3518
    #1902107

    For Livescope to work you have to have the + units the standard 93SV will not work has to be a 93SV + unit.

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
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    #1902199

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>lindyrig79 wrote:</div>
    Very nice write up. Thank you and I mean that sincerely.

    I do have to wonder though…. if it gets to a point where technology is too advanced for fishing. Kinda takes a little of the mystique out of it don’t you think?

    There’s that. Plus it’s cost prohibitive imo. New technology so I’m guessing waiting 2 to 3 years will save you some money and you will get some improvements in the technology and the package to boot.

    My thoughts too on both comments. And certainly recognize the comparison report. Didn’t hardly know this chit existed? doah

    But I do wonder if an underwater cam in a nearby hole would not provide the same visual “witnessing” for a fraction of the cost of the Livescope?

    Andrew Pansch
    Posts: 107
    #1902223

    Cameras can’t compare… used my uncles live scope and it’s an amazing piece of technology. Watching fish come in from the side is awesome. I usually fish stained water as well which cameras won’t work.

    Ice Cap
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    #1902244

    Cameras can’t compare… used my uncles live scope and it’s an amazing piece of technology. Watching fish come in from the side is awesome. I usually fish stained water as well which cameras won’t work.

    I haven’t been around any of the newer camera systems but I’ve been around some of the older and cheaper Aqu Vue’s or Marcums and all they do is take up space in the hole. You could maybe see 18″ in front and if something swam by there was no way of knowing what it was. Sonar don’t care about water clarity it sees what’s there.

    Truthfully I’m somewhat lost in all this, Livescope, Panoptix etc. etc. Seems there’s a lot to weed through between compatibility of models etc. Once the cost starts getting up to a couple grand my enthusiasim to even spend the time on researching the product wanes.

    glenn-d
    N C Illinois
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    #1902290

    Very interesting but way to expensive for the amount of time I ice fish for sure.
    Totally explains why when you “swing” your transducer you can mark fish that do not show up right under the hole. Thanks for posting !!

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
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    #1902305

    I haven’t been around any of the newer camera systems but I’ve been around some of the older and cheaper Aqu Vue’s or Marcums and all they do is take up space in the hole. You could maybe see 18″ in front and if something swam by there was no way of knowing what it was. Sonar don’t care about water clarity it sees what’s there.

    Truthfully I’m somewhat lost in all this, Livescope, Panoptix etc. etc. Seems there’s a lot to weed through between compatibility of models etc. Once the cost starts getting up to a couple grand my enthusiasim to even spend the time on researching the product wanes.

    In clear water the cams provide quite a revealing scene down below, but I agree in stained or murky water…you don’t see much.

    Below is BK’s video from the river when it cleared up, you can tell what fish you’re seeing. (I reposted it because I like watching it) smile

    But ultimately I’m more convinced now that they have nowhere near the capabilities of a Livescope.

    And I also agree that certain products way above my income level, I don’t pursue any further. neutral

    Rob G
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    #1902323

    IFF Garmin wants to break into the market they need to get the price down on these as yikes is right, esp with an old school battery and older marcum bag look… why not have it come with a lithium shuttle?

    HECK I got a marcum lx6s shuttle for 1/5th of the cost of that livescope, 600$ and has a better battery, etc.

    MNFishinGuy
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    #1902324

    Thought I would add a few thoughts based on personal experience with Garmin LiveScope.

    Summary – I love it and would buy it again in a heartbeat. I made the jump to Garmin last Spring after I got a great deal at the NW Sportshow. I was able to get 2 9″-inch units + the Livescope for the same price as 2 Humminbird Helix units.

    I’m just now fine-tuning my ice setup but I totally agree with holehopper. Being able to watch schools of fish come through from 20-50 feet away is very educational. It’s also allowed me to watch how fish react to my lure, both underneath me and at a distance. I was even able to see fish react to being spooked by noise and activity on the ice next to my shelter. What it doesn’t do is make the fish bite any more than a vex or traditional 2d sonar will.

    I haven’t mastered hole-hopping with this setup but it’s definitely doable. I drill multiple holes then check them for fish. I can spin the transducer and easily see 50 feet in every direction. I align the direction of the transducer with the handle on my mount so I know which way it’s pointed. No fish, I move on.

    Downsides – Cost – the Transducer hasn’t dropped in price since it’s release. LVS32 (vs. LVS 12) is definitely the way to go, IMO. Good news is the entry-level Garmin head units are quite affordable. The 93SV+ retails for $999 and was on sale for $599 the past couple months. Great deal when compared to Helix or Lowrance units.

    Weight & size – 9″ screen + black box + 18ah battery + transducer pole is probably 15+ lbs. Size can also be a bit clumsy when trying to be mobile.

    Definitely not for everyone for multiple reasons but I’m definitely a fan.

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    #1902428

    SI was pretty much 2k when it first came out. In 2020 $, the livescope is a far better deal IMO.

    eyeguy507
    SE MN
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    #1902470

    Sight fishing is way underrated. Nothing cooler than watching a pack of hungry trout bump and play with your bait, then finally crush it. Livescope is basically sight fishing electronically. You will learn so much by what’s actually happening below. Really cool for those that choose to use it. I am a firm believer that cameras spook fish. Have fun with your toy! Videos on YouTube are pretty neat-o

    Ryan Speers
    Waconia, MN
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    #1902492

    I hope I never see this in person because I’m pretty sure I’d have to have it from reading this thread.

    BAR
    Posts: 82
    #2183506

    Do you all still use a flasher or sonar with livescope or just live scope. Just pieced together a panopix ps22 for my 73cv and was curious if that was all I needed ro carry or just to locate the fish and switch. Appreciate it.

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