Let the games begin…..

Iowa Caucuses.

Stopped paying attention to this stuff few years back, but this round is a bit different. Will be interesting to watch each party react.

Really? I can’t think of a less interesting waste of money in America.

Elections are bought, this is just round one of the election cycle.

I clicked on a result link and about died laughing. Had trump and Cruz in the 30%+ and then the other candidates. …..with 0% yes, ZERO PERFECT reporting

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/data/election-calendar/

Interesting is one way to look at it. To be honest, I’ve never faced a primary season where I disliked ALL of the leading candidates. Until now. In the past, sure, I’ve favored one or maybe two even, but this election cycle I look at the top 2 for each party and I can’t see every voting for any one of them.

Honestly, the only one I can say anything good about is Bernie Sanders. Not because I agree with his politics, but at least I respect that IMO he’s an honest man who’s trying to do what he thinks is right. I totally respect that even if I couldn’t vote for him because I don’t agree with his politics. I wish there were more like him.

Trump, Curz, Hillary… I won’t even start.

Let’s hope there’s some surprise from Iowa.

Grouse

Completely agree^^

Maybe I am more interested in watching and hoping just one fails.

Well, when the media devotes 99% of air time to the circus, your gonna see mostly clowns

Randy Wieland wrote:

Well, when the media devotes 99% of air time to the circus, your gonna see mostly clowns

brother,aint that the truth,we still dont have much to vote for on either side,sure hope hitler rottenbottom clinton doesnt win anything.

As far as one politician said a few yrs back when I get to Washington I am going to change Washington. LMAO.!! Yaa right.. LOL. … rrr

I just can’t wait until election night so we can get a 3 month break before campaign 2020 starts.

I get a feeling most people don’t like any of the front runners, me included. I’d predict one of the lowest voter turnout ever for this election, except I think we’ll see a spike in people voting. Not for someone, but rather against someone.

The two candidates i liked dont have a chance.

We even have a Democrat leading the Republican race.

I usually hesitate to enter in a political discussion but……I’m thinking of politicians along the lines of a Simon and Garfunkle lyric that goes like…….’A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest’.

Loonswail, very accurate until the media took things out of context to control what you heard

TRUE, OH SO TRUE!

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Iowaboy1 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Randy Wieland wrote:</div>
Well, when the media devotes 99% of air time to the circus, your gonna see mostly clowns

brother,aint that the truth,we still dont have much to vote for on either side,sure hope hitler rottenbottom clinton doesnt win anything.

Iowaboy posts like this will get this deleted in a hurry. General politics are edgy on here anyways but was curious on who pays attention to this stuff.

I like how Bernie kept neck and neck with Clinton. That should be a fun one to watch. As well as Cruz overriding Trump, although most experts had that coming anyways with the evangelicals down there, with Rubio nipping at the heels.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see record turnouts. Everyone is fed up with the political system and IMO candidates like “social” Bernie and Trump have taken advantage. But as Trump saw here in Iowa, to win you actually need people to get up and go vote! Many newcomers need to be mobilized and as stated before, the frustration level with the system might be at that tipping point where people are gonna get up and out.

Dutchboy wrote:

Really? I can’t think of a less interesting waste of money in America.

Elections are bought, this is just round one of the election cycle.

I bet there are a lot of businesses in Iowa that dont see it this way. Would you rather they send the money over seas for some much needed cause? Spend it at home. Keep that cash flow going. For many of those businesses I bet its the only time they get some money back out of the politicians. If Iowa doesnt want the attention send it to my area. Would have no problem putting up with the circus to see the cash flow into the area.

Another nice thing about this is nobody makes you watch it.

These caucus affairs are nothing but media social events to see who can blow smoke the farthest up American’s a$$e$. And then the campaigns…. If our lawmaking body of government wanted to do something worthwhile, they’d change the campaigning rules to say that only the issues that surround and involve what each candidate intends to address if elected can be mentioned, period. If a running candidate mentions an opposing party, or an opposing candidate regardless of party affiliation, then that candidate is done. Can’t continue to run. Out. Finito.

The laws would also state that each candidate can have 1 (one) tv advertisement per campaign, not to exceed 30 seconds and that only three such political advertisements can be run during an evening in the primetime period, but unlimited times in the 11:00 pm to 5:00 am period.

And as for the media (written format, tv format, internet and social media format), they should be allowed one paragraph of less that 200 words per week and nothing but fact. Not conjecture. Not opinion. Not grandstanding. Not inflaming. Fact.

I think this post points out the one constant about politics in America these days………..people are sick of the politics of these days!

No one really votes in caucuses, do they? I thought people gathered in a room and try to sway delegates their way?

nhamm wrote:

I like how Bernie kept neck and neck with Clinton

More a reflection on Hilary then a positive view on Sanders IMO.

Well, to me at least the 2 big winners in Iowa last night were not the top vote-getters.

Bernie wins by ending in a virtual tie with Hillary. No way to spin this any other way, it shows Hillary is STILL struggling again with having any kind of broad mass appeal and staying power. She tanked in 2008 in the same fashion. She seems to poll strongest when it’s assumed she’ll be the only Democratic choice, but as soon as another choice presents him/herself, Hillary’s support and lead evaporates.

After 8 years of assuming Hillary would get “her turn”, I’m now thinking she’s really venerable to being soundly defeated on Super Tuesday and not even making it to the stretch run. Bernie’s going to win in New Hampshire, that’s never been in much doubt. So Hillary will have yet to decisively win any major contests going into Super Tuesday. That’s a very poor position for a “frontrunner” to be in.

Marco wins by a strong showing and virtually tying Trump. This was probably the surprise of the night, many had assumed that Rubio’s support would dwindle as Republicans moved over to Cruz and ensure that Trump was a loser. Well, Trump is the big loser in all this, but he didn’t lose by having Rubio’s support shift to Cruz, he lost based on organization driving turnout.

Grouse

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Interesting is one way to look at it. To be honest, I’ve never faced a primary season where I disliked ALL of the leading candidates. Until now. In the past, sure, I’ve favored one or maybe two even, but this election cycle I look at the top 2 for each party and I can’t see every voting for any one of them.

Honestly, the only one I can say anything good about is Bernie Sanders. Not because I agree with his politics, but at least I respect that IMO he’s an honest man who’s trying to do what he thinks is right. I totally respect that even if I couldn’t vote for him because I don’t agree with his politics. I wish there were more like him.

Trump, Curz, Hillary… I won’t even start.

Let’s hope there’s some surprise from Iowa.

Grouse

100% agree. I almost hope for a Trump V Sanders election. Maybe we need a screwball in office to wake the populace up a bit.

Marco wins by a strong showing and virtually tying Trump. This was probably the surprise of the night, many had assumed that Rubio’s support would dwindle as Republicans moved over to Cruz and ensure that Trump was a loser.

I’ve seen this statement come up a lot this morning, so I’m not picking on you. To me, its more of how the media is embellishing the “win” and how slanted the voting is by population density. Clearly Rubio didn’t win a 3rd of the state, he won the majority of city dwellers. Rubio’s performance so far is that he will draw the democratic votes away from typical demo’s that now can’t stomach voting for either of those two clowns (Bernie and Hillary).

To me, this just clearly illustrates a repeat of the last two elections where major cities can easily out vote the rest of the state. Just because you have a bigger population density in a city, it shouldn’t tilt the scales for their wants/needs. I believe each state’s county should represent 1 vote. That way the farmer in rural middle of no where has equal representation to the city folks.

Well…back to having my head filled with media propaganda and their pre-concluded results for the next couple primaries….

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Randy Wieland wrote:

Marco wins by a strong showing and virtually tying Trump. This was probably the surprise of the night, many had assumed that Rubio’s support would dwindle as Republicans moved over to Cruz and ensure that Trump was a loser.

I’ve seen this statement come up a lot this morning, so I’m not picking on you. To me, its more of how the media is embellishing the “win” and how slanted the voting is by population density. Clearly Rubio didn’t win a 3rd of the state, he won the majority of city dwellers.

This is true, but keeping in mind the sample size is currently 1. By that I mean these results only reflect who voted and how they voted in one single state. New Hampshire will be different because the demographics are vastly different. Fewer evangelicals, less evenly distributed population and distribution of population centers, etc.

Then you have the fact that historically, NH’s outcome has a strong correlation to the eventual winner than does Iowa’s. As they say in NH, Iowa picks corn, we pick presidents. And they’re not wrong.

I do have to call out a distinction here. Rubio DID win just under a third of the vote. You’re referencing the fact that his votes came from a concentrated geographical area, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t get the votes he got. The other side of your rural vs urban argument is why should people have their votes discounted or written off entirely because of where they choose to live?

We’re still operating on the principle of one person, one vote when it comes to primaries so there isn’t a Electoral College scheme of proportional representation running in the background and deciding the “real winner”. Keep in mind, we’ve had a few recent dope-slaps in this country that have woken people up to the downsides of proportional representation. On one had people say they want it in some cases, but then the look at a situation where the majority vote-getter can lose an election and then they say they don’t want it.

The common element is that people are only happy with the system if they feel it represents what they wanted done anyway.

Grouse

suzuki wrote:

They’re all bought and sold: American democracy belongs to the billionaires now.

….10-4 on that. An that’s why I became APATHETIC yrs. ago. The common man can bitch whine an complain an try to do all things right. But Butt in the BIG PICTURE it does not mean a hill of beans.!! But still I am proud to be AMERICAN.!!! I just don’t vote any more cause my vote in the BIG PIC means Zero point Zero.!!!!!! Sad But True.! SUPPORT RRR TROOPS.! …. rrr PS This is my only political post.! So Lets All Go Fish-un an enjoy life.! An not try to change the good old boy system. Cause I haven’t seen anyone beat that system in 70 yrs. So why try NOW.?!!?

suzuki wrote:

They’re all bought and sold: American democracy belongs to the billionaires now.

Thats called Citizens United…billionaires flood $ to the candidate they want and the American Public does little to learn about candidates other than watching T.V. a poor way for the election of the most powerful person in the world.